Cork GAA Discussion Thread

eigrod wrote: »

I agree. This forum has turned in to the TTM blog and is why I rarely contribute now because it is totally and utterly dominated by 1 poster.

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Just a suggestion that anyone that thinks the cork thread is indeed dominated by any one poster i would suggest they look at the limerick thread and particularly the waterford thread where there's vl few post a lot day in day out so they do actually exist other than the cork thread but as usal some here with other agenda decide to see what they want to.

With the greatest respect imo to other threads the cork thread has more to post when cork is accepted as football and hurling county with the ability if done right to compete at all levels in both codes also and ladies gaa huge part the game imo and while there's few self confessed hurling only fans here if they think the thread needs more posting why don't they simply take the lead and post more , now with respect I don't mean just pick out once city school and forget the rest and indeed just focus on for example city hurling team and Douglas which is what they think cork gaa is all about and there right to there choice but have absoultey no interest cork football etc or indeed actually contribute to this thread anything hurling wise from north or even east cork when imo east cork north cork etc and all all play a huge part of cork gaa. Also the sheer scale of cork with so many clubs there's a lot to discuss.
Just cause some decide to focus on only on certain aspects of cork gaa doesn't mean other don't have a huge interest in all things cork gaa.
Only last week we had one complaining Rochestown didn't get enough credit yet when one choosed to try and discuss all things cork it's still not good enough
Ah but you see it is if it's there club or area gets all the focus it seems.

I make no secrets my posts are long with great detail as there is a lot to discuss in Cork gaa as a whole as I simply don't see myself as a cork hurling man don't see my self as a football man, or men only, I rather see myself as Cork gaa which imo incudes women and men in football and hurling so please forgive me if I'm always talking cork
By the same token if people want to just post on hurling alone that's there choice or indeed football but for those that contribute post to all things cork gaa it should be appreciated why they do it simply cause cork gaa represent a community imo than any one code thus maybes that fact should be taken in to why a poster posts a lot.
Just my opinion of course.

Best of luck to midelton tomorrow.
The ptich won't matter really imo as it's going to be the same for both schools
At this level, it's under age so it's natural to expect these fine young hurlers of the future will have bad and good days on the hurling field so it's all on the day as both are evenly matched and ard scoil half forward line is extremely good but with sean o leary Hayes at centre back midelton are strong in that area.

Indeed aron Walsh Barry at full is a fine hurler and considering he can also play centre back where he won munster medal at under age two years ago in a final played in charville he could swap with Hayes if needs be as Hayes played full back last year on the dean Ryan cup winning team.
Midelton have a strong team from one to fifteen.
Mellrick is a good hurler at midfield as is oke at half forward but the full forward line is excellent with Liam o shea and Liam gosnell who got a load of scores between the two of them from play against thurles, are two good corner forwards with a very good strong full forward in Arthur nanago.

Midelton are coached by Tim Collins who has successfully coached winning team but ard scoil will be extremely strong with a few limerick under age hurlers.
The extra time v thurles will hopefully stand to midelton but this is a tough game to call as both are meant to be excellent teams.
Who ever wins tomorrow would be probably favourites to win the final.

Munster P.P.S. ‏@Munsterpps 11m11 minutes ago
Dean Ryan Ard Scoil Ris 1-15 Midleton 1-12 (FT) @munstergaa (via @gaajourno)

Breige and Rena nominated for ladies football player of the year aswell as Dublins Lindsey Davey

Orizio wrote: »

Munster P.P.S. ‏@Munsterpps 11m11 minutes ago
Dean Ryan Ard Scoil Ris 1-15 Midleton 1-12 (FT) @munstergaa (via @gaajourno)

That's a balls
Only a score in it

Under twenty football avoid kerry til munster football final so it's a great draw in cork get game time.

Under twenty hurlers have huge ask the draw i posted on limerick thread earlier today cork didn't want limerick
It's at home and ist game is best game to get them but if management stay the same it's huge ask beat outstanding limerick outfit

Minor hurling got excellent draw waterford away but win that avoid tippeary and should cork beat waterford and tippeary win it seems cork avoid tipp til a final and clare or limerick cork certainly feel confident about
Now before any waterford people think I'm showing a lack of respect to them no I'm not simply cork minor team next year based on last year and the dean Ryan cup success the last two years and harty cup good runs and the recent under sixteen and seventeen success cork imo would be favourites

It will certainly be tough going to waterford away but Cork certainly imo would prefer them than tippeary


Football under twenty one likely to be if cork get there munster final in kerry
While it gives cork games worry is kerry have games under jack to get there house in order and I expect cork to be competitive but think home advantage and jack influence kerry are bound to break cork dominance soon over them

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Draws last night for u21 and minor ...tough draws all round but very tough for our under age hurling teams we are where we are at Minor and u21 in Munster so no match is easy for us next year as we are rated no5 in the province at the moment ...have we talent i think we have how about this for an u21 team....
Patrick Collins
Michael McSweeney Kieran Histon Darren Browne
Mark Coleman Conor Twomey Niall Cashman
David Noonan Darragh Fitzgibbon
Shane Kingston Kevin O Neill Trevour Horgan
Anthony Spillane Chris O Leary Luke Meade.....

subs...Declan Dalton, Cian Walsh, Ciaran Cormack, Stephen Murphy, Conor Cahalane , Rickard Cahalane, Dillon Cahill, Robbie Flynn, Tim O Mahony, Dayne Lee, Darren Casey , Killan O Connor.......No Michael Cahalane or Pa O Callaghan which is just a huge pity both these players had the X factor....

The only tough draw is the under twenty one hurling when you compare what it could have been with the others there perfect draws

Cork are going to have meet kerry in the under twenty one football at some stage but avoid them till the final and also tipp
What's tough about that
Nothing to be fair in yes cork have to travel three times but Cork should not fear anyone in under twenty one football outside kerry and tippeary
They avoided both so it's a good draw

Minor hurling is perfect with the new system which means winning is rewarded and your not penalised so imo waterford which I think is away as Cork played them in cork three years ago is definitely winnable as waterford in both dean Ryan cup while dls are in the semi there harty cup teams have fallen off the standard a bit and Cork have beaten them at under sixteen and seventeen before so yes it's in waterford but certainly clare waterford and limerick to a lesser degree would been favour by cork

The key is to avoid tipp and winning v waterford once tipp win cork have chance beat the other and meet tipp in munster final

Limerick should cork meet cork have at home and there's nothing to fear really in coaching hasn't improved greatly from last year in Kinnerk joining he's great but he won't be with the minor


Minor football has tipp yes a tough game but it's in cork and I don't think tipp have many from last year and kissane will have cork primed
As poorly imo coached as Cork were last year they still pushed kerry in kerry all the way
Beat tipp and it's imo a munster final v kerry as Cork should beat the rest and once you get to an munster final you're in the all ireland series
That's a fine draw in avoid kerry til the Munster final.

With out a doubt the under twenty one hurling has a huge absoultey huge ask to beat limerick
Limerick are favourite but v Wexford they handled that we'll
They have talent all over the field and if coaching stays as last year it's going to be tough but limerick at ccb seem to have a tendency to self destruct especially when they win as everyone wants a piece of the pie so who knows if management stay as it is

Apparently management recently met three hours to review the season
That imo beggars all belief when no need any such review when limerick management won the all ireland beating clare tipp Wexford and Galway along the way
Ironic though the team that wins an all ireland is reviews yet the senior management have no such imo long reviews as if they did the senior mess there in now wouldn't be occurring as unfortunately as stated in the last ccb meeting and by the limerick media things are far far far from happy with the senior set up at present which is a shame when they have outstanding talent

The good news also for cork is tipp seem be having problems making up there back room team with apparently loads being asked and so far seem three management from last year which imo doesn't mean change
Conor Gleasson is excellent coach but he's gone to offaly
There is rumours Jason Ryan Kildare is going to the hurling but I find that hard to believe but if he does join the hurling imo it's great for cork as he's good to a point at a certain level but he's imo not the tactical master he's been out to be
Cork hurling if they got there actually act in order there's huge opportunity in munster to get to a final the only worry is cork while management team look okay the imo lack of designated specific roles likes a designated coach etc imo lacks structure and organisations and I have huge concern as also no announcement of the strength and conditions coach

The football set up you got to applaud healy in one week he has serous organisation and structure with in in a manager a coach a s and c guy a sports physcolgy and two selector with one more to be added
Kinnerk not joining clare hurling is a huge loss to them but it's rumoured Fraggie Murphy will have a role there with clare

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The only tough draw is the under twenty one hurling when you compare what it could have been with the others there perfect draws

Cork are going to have meet kerry in the under twenty one football at some stage but avoid them till the final and also tipp
What's tough about that
Nothing to be fair in yes cork have to travel three times but Cork should not fear anyone in under twenty one football outside kerry and tippeary
They avoided both so it's a good draw

Minor hurling is perfect with the new system which means winning is rewarded and your not penalised so imo waterford which I think is away as Cork played them in cork three years ago is definitely winnable as waterford in both dean Ryan cup while dls are in the semi there harty cup teams have fallen off the standard a bit and Cork have beaten them at under sixteen and seventeen before so yes it's in waterford but certainly clare waterford and limerick to a lesser degree would been favour by cork

The key is to avoid tipp and winning v waterford once tipp win cork have chance beat the other and meet tipp in munster final

Limerick should cork meet cork have at home and there's nothing to fear really in coaching hasn't improved greatly from last year in Kinnerk joining he's great but he won't be with the minor


Minor football has tipp yes a tough game but it's in cork and I don't think tipp have many from last year and kissane will have cork primed
As poorly imo coached as Cork were last year they still pushed kerry in kerry all the way
Beat tipp and it's imo a munster final v kerry as Cork should beat the rest and once you get to an munster final you're in the all ireland series
That's a fine draw in avoid kerry til the Munster final.

With out a doubt the under twenty one hurling has a huge absoultey huge ask to beat limerick
Limerick are favourite but v Wexford they handled that we'll
They have talent all over the field and if coaching stays as last year it's going to be tough but limerick at ccb seem to have a tendency to self destruct especially when they win as everyone wants a piece of the pie so who knows if management stay as it is

Apparently management recently met three hours to review the season
That imo beggars all belief when no need any such review when limerick management won the all ireland beating clare tipp Wexford and Galway along the way
Ironic though the team that wins an all ireland is reviews yet the senior management have no such imo long reviews as if they did the senior mess there in now wouldn't be occurring as unfortunately as stated in the last ccb meeting and by the limerick media things are far far far from happy with the senior set up at present which is a shame when they have outstanding talent

The good news also for cork is tipp seem be having problems making up there back room team with apparently loads being asked and so far seem three management from last year which imo doesn't mean change
Conor Gleasson is excellent coach but he's gone to offaly
There is rumours Jason Ryan Kildare is going to the hurling but I find that hard to believe but if he does join the hurling imo it's great for cork as he's good to a point at a certain level but he's imo not the tactical master he's been out to be
Cork hurling if they got there actually act in order there's huge opportunity in munster to get to a final the only worry is cork while management team look okay the imo lack of designated specific roles likes a designated coach etc imo lacks structure and organisations and I have huge concern as also no announcement of the strength and conditions coach

The football set up you got to applaud healy in one week he has serous organisation and structure with in in a manager a coach a s and c guy a sports physcolgy and two selector with one more to be added
Kinnerk not joining clare hurling is a huge loss to them but it's rumoured Fraggie Murphy will have a role there with clare

Isn't Kissane gone to the Seniors TTM? There's no way he can do both.

Kerry have very strong Minor teams coming through over the next 2 years. I'm not sure who's going to be running the show with Peter Keane yet, but there is massive potential there.
Kerry u21s next year will obviously be based around a core of the 2014 minor winning team and with a good management in place, should have a good shot at the big prize.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/galway-boss-anthony-cunningham-managing-to-keep-it-moving-26807863.html
It shows both sides of the argument
Imo kissane role with the senior means it easier for him as he's not managing the whole set up he's just looking after one area
He's coaching role in minor is hands on but herihly excellent organisation etc will manage other area
I'd be inclined to think kissane being fit and energetic and passionate can be done but he's playing career with club probably will have to be evaluation as it's tough do all three but I feel both management roles are attainable to do in the right environment
And the minors and senior back room team all credit due at the end of the day imo look good imo

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

What happens if Cork Seniors and Minors make it to a Munster final or AI Semi final or final? Kissane would be tasked with doing the warmup with both probably..or at least would have a big role in both...what would he do then?

I don't see it being possible really to be involved in both, especially given the minor championship kicks off in Spring and Cork Seniors will be training 3/4 nights a week at that stage you'd imagine..there's going to be overlaps surely?

It's strange given he was announced as Minor coach and then as part of the Senior setup alright, maybe they have some plan that entails him only making a certain number of sessions, but that wouldn't really be best practice so I don't know what the plan is. I think he could be hugely important to the Senior squad so if it were me, I would want him there 100% of the time, not half the time.
Big loss to minors if he IS gone as the county isn't exactly teeming with quality coaches at the cutting edge of the game of football.

I don't see the problem in both games would be the same venue and numerous coaches like Kinnerk double teamed in senior and minors

Minor he's job I'd is coaching so he's with team
Soon game over plenty time do warm up
He's main s and c work will be done away from the bright lights of croke park and the real work he does will be from now and the coming months ahead
He's s and c with cork so every single football session senior won't be needed
I'd say both will be tailored accordingly for him
Cunningjham had huge task managing two teams and lilike kerry own pat o shea and there was no problem

To a lesser degree we see Galway camoige management have both roles senior and intermediate camoige in all ireland finals

Carey was with camoige team Ballingry limerick hours before in county final then senior county final that same aftenoon
I agree it's tough but it can be done with the right support

Kinnerk proved it can be done with clare under twenty one and senior over lapping a lot but both were successful and Kinnerk had Success with both

Senior replay sunday in football.

http://www.the42.ie/paul-kinnerk-clare-1101276-Sep2013/
This article imo is better showing how roles can be done
Here Kinnerk was coaching and even playing to a degree
The trip shows he's huge demands travel wise when he was up north then back another match with clare that evening


Cork are unlikely in the football to have such demands early on as the league away trip to Donegal it's likely it won't cause problems with minors football
It's interesting to see if cork take part leinster football minor league that done last year when carlow actually beat Cork
I would think that it's no doubt most couldn't do different roles together but like Kinnerk kissane is young and same driven minded hugely passionate gaa man you would think hes could imo be that exception

Kissane from studying degree abroad in sports performance etc imo is like Kinnerk he can think though situation and find simple ways to cope
He managed travelling to clare and I think he lives in cobh with other demands for year and imo cork minor and football will be training close proximity in cork
Cit job yes you would think that's a non runner now

Wouldn't be surprised if Duns hammered Cloughduv.

Orizio wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Duns hammered Cloughduv.

Draw.

Charleville demolished Dripsey 5-24 1-10.