The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

raze_them_all_ · 19-10-2015 04:59PM

Billy86 wrote: »

How is 16/29 and 2 TDs and 255 yards (8.8 per attempt) when his WRs had some drops they should have made (including Cobb on a 30 odd yarded that would have put GB in FG position shortly before the half) poor? Especially considering his best WR is out, his 2nd best is playing injured (and strictly a slot guy, doesn't play great on thebboundary), hid 3rd best out injured, his 4th best playing injured and limited in snaps, and his 5th best got injured during the game, on top of hid #1 RB being probably playing injured and very out of form (though starks filled in well), and his #2 TE out as well?

Rivers had a class game, but let's not forget that his 503 yards came off 65(!) attempts. Rogers was actually averaging more yards per completion and at the same accuracy. And he had Gates playing well and Keenan Allen playing absolutely out of his skin.

Like I said, Rivers had aa great game. But saying he made Rodgers look average and that Rodgers played poor is, well, entertaining before even taking in the context of the situation regarding targets!

2 wide recievers on the pitch going into the game had one catch between them in their whole career

Hazys · 19-10-2015 05:07PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Luck played well last night was sharp, remember he is coming into this game cold after sitting the last two with a shoulder problem. His passes were generally sharp and short. Showed how to open up the Pats and to be fair Frank Gore was decent.

All three TD's were quality passes nothing wrong with the second TD no idea what your on about there.

Brady and co keep rolling though. Don't know why Bellicheck wont just stick with Blount he is a beast and my damn fantasy team would be doing a damn sight better than they are.

Hard to see any of the other unbeaten teams staying that way but this Patriots team is very good, boring at times but so clinical. Has there ever been a more lethal combo that Brady and Bellicheck?

For the 2nd TD, look at 1:55 here http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/0ap3000000560800/GameDay-Patriots-vs-Colts-highlights

Ball is dropped and shouldn't have stood. Not Luck's fault anyway.

Luck wasn't that sharp in my opinion. He threw numerous passes way over receiver's heads and could have been picked off 2/3 times. If Luck was anyway sharp he wouldn't have gone one for four in 4th quarter drives. A couple of things don't go Luck's way and his stat line would read more INTs than TDs.

The score and the stats flattered the Colts and Luck the difference between them was much greater than the figures would suggest. The Patriots were really never troubled by the Colts in the end.

Hulk Hands · 19-10-2015 05:14PM

Thought a touchdown difference was about fair considering the huge swing of the onside kick and the stupid trick play. In normal terms the Pats shaded it, but it was a serious contest up until the score after the trick play

Billy86 · 19-10-2015 05:26PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

2 wide recievers on the pitch going into the game had one catch between them in their whole career

Aha, WRONG!! Janis actually had two catches before yesterday... for 16 total yards.

Between him, Perillo and Abbrederis it's actually 2 catches between 3 WR/TEs though. With literally everyone else but Richard Rogers (who I like, but who is no star by any stretch) either out (Nelson, Adams, Quarless) or playing injured (Cobb, Jones), barring Monty in the first half... but then he missed over half the game with injury.

Billy86 · 19-10-2015 05:28PM

Last night's trick play however, was not at all the dumbest play ever. Take situational importance out of the equation and I'm pretty sure that no matter how long the NFL is around for, nobody will ever top this:

:pac:

raze_them_all_ · 19-10-2015 05:35PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Aha, WRONG!! Janis actually had two catches before yesterday... for 16 total yards.

Between him, Perillo and Abbrederis it's actually 2 catches between 3 WR/TEs though. With literally everyone else but Richard Rogers (who I like, but who is no star by any stretch) either out (Nelson, Adams, Quarless) or playing injured (Cobb, Jones), barring Monty in the first half... but then he missed over half the game with injury.

I never said janus was one of them :P

Billy86 · 19-10-2015 05:48PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I never said janus was one of them :P

Dick.

EDIT: Wait no, then you were still wrong! Abbrederis and Perillo had a combined 0 catches, and only one game between them (Abb, the week previous vs the Rams) in their careers. Haaaahahahahaha. Hahaha. Ha... ha.

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Ha.

raze_them_all_ · 19-10-2015 06:29PM

**** I read catch when the word was actually snap....

helimachoptor · 19-10-2015 08:05PM

Titans new starting rookie Centre looks about 12

Poor Mariota

Billy86 · 19-10-2015 08:12PM

I wouldn't worry, kids grow up fast these days.

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JCTO · 19-10-2015 08:37PM

So many funny vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JP4Y0Xcm4g

Also check out the Maine Black Bears doing the same thing:

https://twitter.com/BlackBearsFB/status/656097488907190273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

No youtube yet for it I don't think

helimachoptor · 19-10-2015 08:50PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I wouldn't worry, kids grow up fast these days.

maybe thats a slimming hoodie, that photo was taken about 2 hours ago

20-10-2015 12:32AM

fletcher cox profile they showed before the game

Billy86 · 20-10-2015 12:53AM

helimachoptor wrote: »

maybe thats a slimming hoodie, that photo was taken about 2 hours ago

If you've ever spent a minute on Tinder you'll know aaallllll about the slimming effects of high angle shots. :pac:

Just took a quick check and he's pretty much bang on the same size as Linsley, the Pounceys and Unger - all pretty beastly centres - if not 2-3lbs heavier.

JCTO · 20-10-2015 01:10AM

Billy86 wrote: »

If you've ever spent a minute on Tinder you'll know aaallllll about the slimming effects of high angle shots. :pac:

Just took a quick check and he's pretty much bang on the same size as Linsley, the Pounceys and Unger - all pretty beastly centres - if not 2-3lbs heavier.

Gallick is a lot leaner now than he was in BC. Decent centre was hoping the Pats would pick him up.

Morrison J · 20-10-2015 03:29AM

I had Gallik as the number 1 center going into the draft last year ahead of Cam Erving. Couldn't believe he slipped all the way to the 6th round. Reckon he'll be pretty good.

bruschi · 20-10-2015 07:46AM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

in fairness though he played a lot of his career with a megatron that was all time great there where a lot of throw it up for calvin plays i would be very curious to see how he would have developed without calvin

off the top of my head, I think Johnson had about 1600 yards in the 5000 yard season, so he threw 3400 yards to other receivers. That is a fair amount of yardage excluding Johnson. And even regardless of how good he is or how much he contributes, there are many other absolute top level WRs who have been on teams where the QB has never got near 5000 yards. Obviously megatron is a huge advantage to have, but not the absolute reason for Stafford doing well.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 20-10-2015 08:14AM

Lads its ok take your knickers out of a bunch I'm not saying Rodgers is crap, I thought personally watching the game that he didn't have a good one. He missed a lot of throws that IMO having spent a lot of years putting money on his back that he would have made. He is absolutely not helped by the injuries 100%.

Terrible game last night between the Eagles and the Giants a case of who wanted to lose it more almost! Eagles though have some talent in those ranks, not sure on Bradford but I'll give him some time. I think he could get yanked if the Eagles continue to turn the ball over(if he continues to throw it so poorly)

Paully D · 21-10-2015 01:14PM

It's pretty common knowledge that teams will sometimes bring in players who have recently been released by teams that they play next in order to try to leave no stone unturned in trying to squeeze out whatever information they can about said team's offense/defense.

For example, this week the Panthers play the Eagles. Carolina brought in James Casey (released by the Eagles in February 2015 so he knows the ins and outs of this offense obviously) yesterday for a workout.

My question is, why do these players bother? In the vast, vast majority of cases they've got to know that they're just being used? As far as I know (could be wrong here, admittedly) players don't get paid for working out for a team and even if they do it'll be relative peanuts. Casey lives in Texas, the Panthers are fine at his positions. Is it really worth bothering flying to Carolina for a workout just so the Panthers can pretend they're interested while probing you for every bit of information you have about your former team?

21-10-2015 01:26PM

Paully D wrote: »

It's pretty common knowledge that teams will sometimes bring in players who have recently been released by teams that they play next in order to try to leave no stone unturned in trying to squeeze out whatever information they can about said team's offense/defense.

For example, this week the Panthers play the Eagles. Carolina brought in James Casey (released by the Eagles in February 2015 so he knows the ins and outs of this offense obviously) yesterday for a workout.

My question is, why do these players bother? In the vast, vast majority of cases they've got to know that they're just being used? As far as I know (could be wrong here, admittedly) players don't get paid for working out for a team and even if they do it'll be relative peanuts. Casey lives in Texas, the Panthers are fine at his positions. Is it really worth bothering flying to Carolina for a workout just so the Panthers can pretend they're interested while probing you for every bit of information you have about your former team?

its a chance the team may be bringing the player in to get info but if the player ends up impressing in workouts then he could still get signed.

21-10-2015 01:28PM

check this out 4 giants players block fletcher cox while leaving the other two linemen 1 on 1 with a rusher. that guy must be terrifying to play against anyone whose a fan of defence who has not seen him play should (he's not jj watt but arguable the next best in the league)

kennyb3 · 21-10-2015 01:43PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

check this out 4 giants players block fletcher cox while leaving the other two linemen 1 on 1 with a rusher. that guy must be terrifying to play against anyone whose a fan of defence who has not seen him play should (he's not jj watt but arguable the next best in the league)

Aaron donald (been better than watt this season)? Atkins? Von miller? Ware? McPhee? Houston? Bennett? (to name a few)

Are we talking Dline men only or all rushers?

I think you are being extremely generous to Cox - fine player and underrated imo.

Knex* · 21-10-2015 01:47PM

As a 3-4 DL, Cox is second to Watt, for me.

When looking broader than that, I think there are a few more DL who are better.

JCTO · 21-10-2015 01:52PM

Paully D wrote: »

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My question is, why do these players bother? In the vast, vast majority of cases they've got to know that they're just being used? As far as I know (could be wrong here, admittedly) players don't get paid for working out for a team and even if they do it'll be relative peanuts. Casey lives in Texas, the Panthers are fine at his positions. Is it really worth bothering flying to Carolina for a workout just so the Panthers can pretend they're interested while probing you for every bit of information you have about your former team?

They might impress to make roster and they are trying to live the dream as well as the fact they get paid for their short stint with the team.

21-10-2015 01:52PM

kennyb3 wrote: »

Aaron donald (been better than watt this season)? Atkins? Von miller? Ware? McPhee? Houston? Bennett? (to name a few)

Are we talking Dline men only or all rushers?

I think you are being extremely generous to Cox - fine player and underrated imo.

i was talking d-linemen donald is better alright he's a monster forgot about him but id say he's playing better than atkins and bennett (stat wise they may be better but cox is 2 gapping in on a 3 man front and getting consistently double and triple teamed) he really has been a monster and if you look at how successful our front 7 has been (and it has been one of the very best in the league) a lot of that has been other guys going 1 on 1 in space or even free due to cox

kennyb3 · 21-10-2015 02:19PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

i was talking d-linemen donald is better alright he's a monster forgot about him but id say he's playing better than atkins and bennett (stat wise they may be better but cox is 2 gapping in on a 3 man front and getting consistently double and triple teamed) he really has been a monster and if you look at how successful our front 7 has been (and it has been one of the very best in the league) a lot of that has been other guys going 1 on 1 in space or even free due to cox

Well 2 gapping on a 3 man front you're meant to be getting double teamed aren't you?

He's an excellent player but I think you've your Eagles hat on here - 3 of his 5 sacks and 2 of his 3 FF were against an awful NO line.

Has the Eagles front 7 really been one of the best in the league? The defensive stats are average enough and that's even with very good safety play.

They've hardly played superpowers in the like of the Jets, Redskins, NO and the Giants either.

When I think of front 7's I'd rather have I come up straight away with the Rams, Broncos, Cardinals, Jets and Seattle straight away.

Through weeks 1 to 5

kennyb3 · 21-10-2015 02:23PM

Knex. wrote: »

As a 3-4 DL, Cox is second to Watt, for me.

When looking broader than that, I think there are a few more DL who are better.

I agree I think he's there or there abouts (with the likes of wilkerson). But that's a much much narrower field and not what Clementine Scary String's original post said at all.

Billy86 · 21-10-2015 02:32PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

its a chance the team may be bringing the player in to get info but if the player ends up impressing in workouts then he could still get signed.

Pretty much - the NFL is one of the biggest examples of an employers market there is (for 'just a guy' types) full stop. Plus, I am pretty sure they get their travel, accommodation, etc covered in cases like this where the team wants info off them - as well as likely a few grand 'off the books' of what have you. Just my own hunch though, nothing to base it on.

JCTO · 21-10-2015 02:49PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Pretty much - the NFL is one of the biggest examples of an employers market there is (for 'just a guy' types) full stop. Plus, I am pretty sure they get their travel, accommodation, etc covered in cases like this where the team wants info off them - as well as likely a few grand 'off the books' of what have you. Just my own hunch though, nothing to base it on.

I have a friend who in his 20's went from team to team trying out and was lucky to make a practice squad but the only thing he got paid was a signing bonus on the books and a weeks wage for every week he was there. His food and accom was on him. Now this was over 15 years ago so I am not sure if that has changed over the years with all the interactions with the CPA agreements but they do see monies for their time for sure.

mcgratheoin · 21-10-2015 02:50PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

its a chance the team may be bringing the player in to get info but if the player ends up impressing in workouts then he could still get signed.

Meh - have a read of this article about players trying to get signed and putting themselves in poor positions chasing their dreams. Unless they're going to get paid I really don't see an upside to this for players - if a team wants you this week then they'll still want you next week.

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