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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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    #9512
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    bilston wrote: »
    I don't think Toulon would be allowed to do that.

    Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.


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    #9513
    awec
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    Are there not international periods that clubs have no choice but to release players for?

    I think it's only the extra ones that Ireland have (like the Christmas one) that the likes of Sexton needed a contract clause for.


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    #9514
    The Lost Sheep
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.
    They wouldn't be allowed to if a player is called up for games within international window
    Clubs/Provinces must release players during specific international periods


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    #9515
    Teferi
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    Clubs can't refuse to release players during international windows thankfully.


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    #9516
    irishbucsfan
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.

    Nah, he has to be released for the WR international window if the IRFU want him.

    EDIT: Oh I see that's already been said multiple times!


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    #9517
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    awec wrote: »
    Are there not international periods that clubs have no choice but to release players for?

    I think it's only the extra ones that Ireland have (like the Christmas one) that the likes of Sexton needed a contract clause for.

    Yeah. I've looked it up again and he's not refusing to release them but he expects them to choose club over country. Also bangs on about getting compensation for players missing club matches.

    http://www.the42.ie/mourad-boudjellal-top-14-club-country-2234616-Jul2015/

    There's not much he can do really, other than moan, but the point remains if you're going to play for Toulon everything will be much easier for you if you have no plans to play for your country.


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    #9518
    [Deleted User]
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Mike McCarthy to replace O'Connell?

    http://www.the42.ie/paul-oconnell-mike-mccarthy-2384501-Oct2015/

    Yeah not surprised. I know many on here won't have seen him play this year - but he is going extremely well this season.


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    #9519
    awec
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Yeah. I've looked it up again and he's not refusing to release them but he expects them to choose club over country. Also bangs on about getting compensation for players missing club matches.

    http://www.the42.ie/mourad-boudjellal-top-14-club-country-2234616-Jul2015/

    There's not much he can do really, other than moan, but the point remains if you're going to play for Toulon everything will be much easier for you if you have no plans to play for your country.

    Boudjellal is a serial whinger.


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    #9520
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    awec wrote: »
    Boudjellal is a serial whinger.

    I know. I'm still waiting to see what happens when Quade Cooper doesn't show up in the south of France in a few weeks.


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    #9521
    stadedublinois
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭stadedublinois


    There might be some form of exception this year. The first round of the Top 14 playoffs are the same weekend as the first tests and the final on the last weekend.

    I would be disappointed if any player from my team decided to play summer internationals instead of Top 14 playoffs.

    Edit: I see the conflicting dates are mentionned in that article


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    #9522
    MrDerp
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    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    Will be watching this one in Argentina, with my argentine wife, on the sofa at 9am in the morning the day after my 40th birthday.

    2 Possible outcomes.

    Pissed off, with a hangover and the wife lording it over me all week.
    Over the moon, with a hangover, with the wife staring daggers at me all week, possible father in law issues.

    I'll take option 2. All day.

    Option 3: Drink straight through until the match
    If Ireland lose go sleep it off, if Ireland win follow your father in law around in your underpants giving him the finger and making bbbbllleeeeaaaauuuugghhhh noises


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    #9523
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah not surprised. I know many on here won't have seen him play this year - but he is going extremely well this season.

    Slightly surprising given he wasn't in the extended training squad but I think at this point players who have played under Schmidt before in any capacity are probably ahead of any who haven't.


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    #9524
    total former
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Slightly surprising given he wasn't in the extended training squad but I think at this point players who have played under Schmidt before in any capacity are probably ahead of any who haven't.

    Well the big loser would be Tuohy who has been regularly involved under Schmidt. They're the only two viable candidates really.

    And, of course, McCarthy never played for Leinster under Joe.


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    #9525
    Zzippy
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    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    Will be watching this one in Argentina, with my argentine wife, on the sofa at 9am in the morning the day after my 40th birthday.

    2 Possible outcomes.

    Pissed off, with a hangover and the wife lording it over me all week.
    Over the moon, with a hangover, with the wife staring daggers at me all week, possible father in law issues.

    I'll take option 2. All day.

    I've been to Argentina. Parties don't start til at least midnight and go on all night! You won't have time to sober up enough to be hungover ;)


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    #9526
    [Deleted User]
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    total former wrote: »
    Well the big loser would be Tuohy who has been regularly involved under Schmidt. They're the only two viable candidates really.

    And, of course, McCarthy never played for Leinster under Joe.

    Eh... I'm pretty sure he had one season at Leinster under Joe?


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    #9527
    total former
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Eh... I'm pretty sure he had one season at Leinster under Joe?

    How very dare you.

    Nah, in Joe's last season he swapped between Browne and Toner as partner for Cullen. McCarthy arrived later.


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    #9528
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    McCarthy agreed to go to Leinster while Joe was still there but Joe was gone by the time he actually made the move. I think he's played under Joe for Ireland though, no?


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    #9529
    Stheno
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    McCarthy agreed to go to Leinster while Joe was still there but Joe was gone by the time he actually made the move. I think he's played under Joe for Ireland though, no?

    Autumn internationals last year?


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    #9530
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Yeah he's constantly been in he squads too.


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    #9531
    PTH2009
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    This is our best chance to make a semi final but you're going in at 60% missing key players

    1pm is an awkward time. The day will drag on if we lose and we will have to endure that terrible English premier league in pubs after


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    #9532
    aimee1
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    ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???


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    #9533
    Zzippy
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    This is our best chance to make a semi final but you're going in at 60% missing key players

    1pm is an awkward time. The day will drag on if we lose and we will have to endure that terrible English premier league in pubs after

    Optimistic as ever! :P


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    #9534
    .ak
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???

    Where did you see that?


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    #9535
    Stheno
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    .ak wrote: »
    Where did you see that?

    Irish Times have an article on his defence that he was held off the ball and it was an open hand


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    #9536
    Goldstein
    Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Goldstein


    I hope they have more backup than the clip we've all seen - seems a stretch.

    At least the independent adjudicator is from Australia. Nice and independent there :pac:


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    #9537
    marco_polo
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???

    Is not not pretty common to make a case that a yellow card may have been issued by the referee had he seen an incident instead of a red?

    Perhaps I am wrong but I wouldn't have the impression that arguing your case makes a huge difference either way to the punishment, citing hearings seem to be a pretty balanced and measured process for the most part (almost like a civil case really) . After all a hearing must take place anyway so its not really like you are wasting anyones time.


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    #9538
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    If you look at the Hooper vs Argentina one the Aussies successfully argued he was held back and it was an open hand used (possibly even that the Argentinian was milking it) but he still got a 2 (1) week ban. There's no way O'Brien gets out of this without at least a week off.


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    #9539
    awec
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    marco_polo wrote: »
    Is not not pretty common to make a case that a yellow card may have been issued by the referee had he seen an incident instead of a red?

    Perhaps I am wrong but I wouldn't have the impression that arguing your case makes a huge difference either way to the punishment, citing hearings seem to be a pretty balanced and measured process for the most part (almost like a civil case really) . After all a hearing must take place anyway so its not really like you are wasting anyones time.

    They don't seem to like players taking the piss. If you are clearly wrong you would do better to just admit that and apologise. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole "good conduct during the hearing" thing is when they reduce bans.


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    #9540
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    If you look at the Hooper vs Argentina one the Aussies successfully argued he was held back and it was an open hand used (possibly even that the Argentinian was milking it) but he still got a 2 (1) week ban. There's no way O'Brien gets out of this without at least a week off.

    From Hoopers decision

    "The actions of Sanchez while deliberate, illegal and an act of considerable provocation, do not allow for retaliation in an illegal way including striking the opponent"

    So no matter what Pape did, provocation won't be taken into consideration


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    #9541
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,438 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    rebel girl 15 wrote: »
    From Hoopers decision

    "The actions of Sanchez while deliberate, illegal and an act of considerable provocation, do not allow for retaliation in an illegal way including striking the opponent"

    So no matter what Pape did, provocation won't be taken into consideration

    It is taken into consideration.

    If a player just randomly ran up to an opponent and punched them for no reason they'd get a much longer ban.


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