Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

mfceiling · 12-10-2015 4:07pm

Murphy, Henry and Heaslip 6, 7 and 8. Keep henderson in the 2nd row. That way we get the power and breakdown work of henderson without sacrificing anyone at 6. Now we've in essence an extra carrier there in murphy. That leaves us with Best, McGrath?, Henderson, Henry, Murphy and Heaslip all good over the ball.

Interested Observer · 12-10-2015 4:08pm

Thanos wrote: »

How long after a match can a player be sited, is it 24 hours?

36 hours in the RWC.

MJohnston · 12-10-2015 4:08pm

If POC's hamstring ruptured, as seemed to be the case, I really doubt he'll be physically able to hang around at all - he spent last night in a hospital, which I think says it all.

12-10-2015 4:10pm

McGrath to start ahead of Healy imo.

gamma001 · 12-10-2015 4:13pm

Only a warning for Pocock, strange one.

You never know we might be lucky regarding SOB

WarZ · 12-10-2015 4:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

McGrath to start ahead of Healy imo.

I would agree not only has Healy not been playing great but his competition McGrath has been excellent.

12-10-2015 4:17pm

Arguably, Pocock's 'act' was worse than SOB's. Unfortunately for SOB, I think his execution was probably better, and so he might not get away quite as leniently.

David Pocock (Australia) - Citing Commissioner Warning

David Pocock (Australia) has received a Citing Commissioner Warning from independent Citing Commissioner Steve Hinds (New Zealand) for a breach of Law 10.4(a) during the Rugby World Cup 2015 Pool A match between Australia and Wales at Twickenham on Saturday, 10 October.

Under the Rugby World Cup 2015 disciplinary programme, a Citing Commissioner Warning equates to a yellow card for the purposes of sanction. A combination of three yellow cards or Citing Commissioner Warnings accumulated during the tournament will result in a hearing. Pocock is therefore free to play in Australia’s quarter-final against Scotland.

http://www.worldrugby.org/news/111671

Under the same Law that the SOB incident would be looked at.

total former · 12-10-2015 4:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

McGrath to start ahead of Healy imo.

Yep. Better in every facet of the game yesterday.

laugh · 12-10-2015 4:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

McGrath to start ahead of Healy imo.

If there is a concern over Healy's fitness he will be started and replaced rather than kept on the bench.

connachta · 12-10-2015 4:23pm

gamma001 wrote: »

Only a warning for Pocock, strange one.

You never know we might be lucky regarding SOB

Ireland (whole) 7 million inhab. 100 000 rugby players
Australia 24 millions, 300 000 players
Which team the IRB wishes to succeed? :rolleyes:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 12-10-2015 4:25pm

laugh wrote: »

If there is a concern over Healy's fitness he will be started and replaced rather than kept on the bench.

The concern isn't just his fitness though, is it? He made a lot of mistakes and gave away a lot of penalties. He just seems to be not quite up to speed with the rest of the team.

Zzippy · 12-10-2015 4:26pm

connachta wrote: »

Ireland (whole) 7 million inhab. 100 000 rugby players
Australia 24 millions, 300 000 players
Which team the IRB wishes to succeed? :rolleyes:

Maybe wait to see whether SOB is cited before we descend into conspiracy theory territory!

BoardsMember · 12-10-2015 4:29pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The concern isn't just his fitness though, is it? He made a lot of mistakes and gave away a lot of penalties. He just seems to be not quite up to speed with the rest of the team.

How many penalties? How many mistakes? I'm not convinced. I remember one at the scrum on his side, maybe two. That happens, and is not always the fault of the prop. I thought some of his work clearing out, and his carries, was exemplary yesterday, I was very pleased with his performance.

unce09f · 12-10-2015 4:30pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The concern isn't just his fitness though, is it? He made a lot of mistakes and gave away a lot of penalties. He just seems to be not quite up to speed with the rest of the team.

somehow Schmidt trusts him anyway :rolleyes:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 12-10-2015 4:31pm

BoardsMember wrote: »

How many penalties? How many mistakes? I'm not convinced. I remember one at the scrum on his side, maybe two. That happens, and is not always the fault of the prop. I thought some of his work clearing out, and his carries, was exemplary yesterday, I was very pleased with his performance.

I don't know the exact numbers but there was a whole page of this thread yesterday of people yelling at him for giving away another penalty. So I'm not the only one of that opinion.

WarZ · 12-10-2015 4:34pm

Credit to Henshaw, not only brilliant in attack but he nullified Bastaraud when defending at the 13 channel. Can't have been easy for either centre dealing with the constant changing in positions between attack and defence.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 12-10-2015 4:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Arguably, Pocock's 'act' was worse than SOB's. Unfortunately for SOB, I think his execution was probably better, and so he might not get away quite as leniently.

http://www.worldrugby.org/news/111671

Under the same Law that the SOB incident would be looked at.

I don't understand this "warning" thing. They say it's the equivalent of a retrospective yellow card so how come O'Mahony got a yellow for the same thing Hooper got a one week suspension for?

12-10-2015 4:44pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I don't understand this "warning" thing. They say it's the equivalent of a retrospective yellow card so how come O'Mahony got a yellow for the same thing Hooper got a one week suspension for?

What Hooper did was considered more dangerous by the citing commissioner I guess. Thought they were largely similar but Hooper probably had a greater impact.

TBH, it all seems a bit inconsistent and I wonder is there a little bit of politics at play.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 12-10-2015 4:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What Hooper did was considered more dangerous by the citing commissioner I guess. Thought they were largely similar but Hooper probably had a greater impact.

TBH, it all seems a bit inconsistent and I wonder is there a little bit of politics at play.

Hooper's did look worse, and he came in at speed, but technically it's the same law they've broken and they're always banging on about intention being irrelevant so yeah..... inconstancy is the word.

thebaz · 12-10-2015 5:17pm

one for the Munster boys, or anyone else for that matter - how good is Ryan ?
would he be a good choice against Argentina ?,
given the injury crisis, and my limited knowledge , is that he would rise to the occcasion and have the bulk , to do so - is my optimism right ?

noway12345 · 12-10-2015 5:27pm

It's such a sad end for Paul O'Connell. He's an Irish legend, a legend of the game full stop. A real leader. It was supposed to end with him leading us onto the field in the World Cup final, it's just a really sad ending.

Pudsy33 · 12-10-2015 5:28pm

thebaz wrote: »

one for the Munster boys, or anyone else for that matter - how good is Ryan ?
would he be a good choice against Argentina ?,
given the injury crisis, and my limited knowledge , is that he would rise to the occcasion and have the bulk , to do so - is my optimism right ?

I doubt he starts against Argentina, but he's a damn fine player. Not much between him and Toner I'd have thought.
I suspect henderson and toner will start second row with Henry and Murphy/Ruddock in the back row.

Skylined.94 · 12-10-2015 5:32pm

thebaz wrote: »

one for the Munster boys, or anyone else for that matter - how good is Ryan ?
would he be a good choice against Argentina ?,
given the injury crisis, and my limited knowledge , is that he would rise to the occcasion and have the bulk , to do so - is my optimism right ?

You got to remember that Ryan was a first choice starter along O'Connell before injury hit... he's dynamic, strong and will certainly leave it all on the pitch. Only problem might be match fitness due to the long lay off but, like Healy, you'll get a good 50/60 mins from him.

WarZ · 12-10-2015 5:33pm

Skylined.94 wrote: »

You got to remember that Ryan was a first choice starter along O'Connell before injury hit... he's dynamic, strong and will certainly leave it all on the pitch. Only problem might be match fitness due to the long lay off but, like Healy, you'll get a good 50/60 mins from him.

He hasn't really hit the same form he had in 2011 for a long time.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 12-10-2015 5:40pm

Is it weird that nobody has been called up to replace Payne yet? O'Mahony's injury was barely confirmed before we knew who was coming in to replace him.

I would assume, barring Naholo's uncle flying in from Fiji with his magic seaweed, O'Connell is out too, so there'll be another forward called up there.

Maybe they're waiting to see if Sexton is in or out for the weekend or permanently out? If he's out completely they'll call up a direct replacement, if he's only out for the QF it may affect who Joe calls in to replace Payne, although with Jackson and Madigan there I'm not sure calling up another 10 is necessary?

Skylined.94 · 12-10-2015 5:41pm

WarZ wrote: »

He hasn't really hit the same form he had in 2011 for a long time.

True but Schmidt must have faith in his ability to have selected him in the squad so hopefully he can get back to somewhere near his best next weekend!

thebaz · 12-10-2015 5:42pm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I doubt he starts against Argentina, but he's a damn fine player. Not much between him and Toner I'd have thought.
I suspect henderson and toner will start second row with Henry and Murphy/Ruddock in the back row.

if Ruddock is match fit, and back to his best he would be great , just not sure if he will be. Jordi hasn't be used , and where does he play, is he ready ?
Henry I think will start , Henderson assured as ls Dev , both were immense yesterday, and Mr. ever reliable Jamie to take over the captaincy

WarZ · 12-10-2015 5:44pm

Skylined.94 wrote: »

True but Schmidt must have faith in his ability to have selected him in the squad so hopefully he can get back to somewhere near his best next weekend!

The more I think about it the more I think he won't be starting. Bringing in two new guys into the back row on top of another new guy in the second row and then a new guy (way off the level of Toner and Henderson it must be said) on the bench is probably a little bit too much change.

Heaslip knows Jordi and Henry well and Toner-Henderson looks to be coming to boil nicely. I think that will be the deciding factor.

noway12345 · 12-10-2015 5:45pm

8. Heaslip
7. Henry
6. Henderson
5. Ryan
4. Toner
3. Ross
2. Best
1. McGrath

This is the best pack we have given all the injuries/forthcoming suspension.

Pudsy33 · 12-10-2015 5:47pm

thebaz wrote: »

if Ruddock is match fit, and back to his best he would be great , just not sure if he will be. Jordi hasn't be used , and where does he play, is he ready ?
Henry I think will start , Henderson assured as ls Dev , both were immense yesterday, and Mr. ever reliable Jamie to take over the captaincy

Henry will come straight in for SOB, no issues there. Murphy has played all across the back row afaik so would be more than comfortable at 6. If Ruddock is ready to go I'd be inclined to start him at 6 as Murphy provides great cover off the bench.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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