This is England '90 in 2015

phatkev · 28-09-2015 3:28pm

Just came across this. A good score can add so much more to a program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLSw3QgxW0

flended12 · 28-09-2015 3:36pm

Tom Turgoose (Shaun) I think had one line in 20mins of brilliance and you can see tears washing his face. Superb piece by all!

briany · 28-09-2015 4:39pm

flended12 wrote: »

Tom Turgoose (Shaun) I think had one line in 20mins of brilliance and you can see tears washing his face. Superb piece by all!

Agreed. I've heard him getting a bit of stick (not much, though) but it reminds me of something I heard which is that acting isn't just about acting, it's also about reacting, and Turgoose's reactions in that scene were spot on. You really feel like you're in his place watching that scene.

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 5:05pm

phatkev wrote: »

Just came across this. A good score can add so much more to a program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLSw3QgxW0

Shane Meadows never fails when it comes to the soundtrack to his shows/movies. Amazing.

Jon Stark · 28-09-2015 6:06pm

Harvey just randomly popped into my head there. His violent outburst towards Gadget in episode 2 is interesting when you think about it, as it's the first time since the film that we saw signs of the old Harvey, the bully.

Basq · 28-09-2015 7:04pm

After half an hour of that, I'm absolutely wrecked! :eek:

Big Game · 28-09-2015 7:31pm

Jon Stark wrote: »

Harvey just randomly popped into my head there. His violent outburst towards Gadget in episode 2 is interesting when you think about it, as it's the first time since the film that we saw signs of the old Harvey, the bully.

It showed his Dad beating him in 86, I think that was to put some context on his bullying behaviour in 83, the classic kid getting **** at home and then lashing out at kids smaller than him at school. He still obviously has a bit of a temper but he's worked on it and doesn't lose it too often. He was very remorseful not long after the outburst at Gadget in the car, full of apologies.

ixoy · 28-09-2015 11:08pm

What was I thinking?! I watched this episode to sort of "wind down" before bed and I get *that* dinner scene. Probably the most emotionally devastating scenes that I've seen this year - the sort that you want to end and simultaneously, due to the sheer quality, don't want to. Folks: Let's remember this scene when it comes time to nominate in next year's TV awards!

Season has been getting rapidly darker and cannot see a happy ending at all.

For those who feel nothing's happened, I can only assume they haven't been watching the film or previous seasons because they all had a similar structure. It's about the characters, their situations, their reactions. Superb acting, directing and dialogue with a feeling of reality that few shows can muster.

positivenote · 28-09-2015 11:23pm

felt it dragged a little after the dinner scene to be honest. still good though... although there are those who need to curb their enthusiasm towards it, as its very good but does have its faults.
still looking forward to the final ep.

lolo62 · 29-09-2015 12:11am

I didn't think the dinner scene was as great as everyone else here seems to. I'm not sure why but I found myself getting irritated like the actors were being self indulgent or something, well Woody and Lol anyway. I'm a weeper usually buy just found myself wishing the scene would end. The milky stuff was good but Woody and Lol did my head in.. In that scene anyway, and I usually love those two.
Maybe it was just the idea of sitting the fam down to Sunday dinner to tell them you murdered their rapist father felt a bit too far fetched.

briany · 29-09-2015 12:24am

lolo62 wrote: »

I didn't think the dinner scene was as great as everyone else here seems to. I'm not sure why but I found myself getting irritated like the actors were being self indulgent or something, well Woody and Lol anyway. I'm a weeper usually buy just found myself wishing the scene would end. The milky stuff was good but Woody and Lol did my head in.. In that scene anyway, and I usually love those two.
Maybe it was just the idea of sitting the fam down to Sunday dinner to tell them you murdered their rapist father felt a bit too far fetched.

Well, they say you take bad news better on a full stomach...

But really I don't think there is any good place or time to drop that bombshell.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-09-2015 9:01am

Well jo hartley confirmed on twitter the "do your homework shaun, you're scottish" line...."just came out" ha

i knew that was improv!

PIORUN · 29-09-2015 3:42pm

griffin100 wrote: »

I'm assuming Milky has lined up his mum or similar to run away with the kid?

there was rumors of a surprise guest next week. Jack O'Connell was mentioned, as he was in the movie. Possibly that's who Milky could have been talking to !

Hitchens · 29-09-2015 3:46pm

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It looks like Milky is planning to have Combo killed or beaten up by the sound of that phone call

at the end of the phone call didn't he say "I love you too" ? He'd hardly say that to a hitperson?

No, I'd say he's going to 'ave a go 'imself

FelineOverLord · 29-09-2015 4:23pm

Hitchens wrote: »

at the end of the phone call didn't he say "I love you too" ? He'd hardly say that to a hitperson?

No, I'd say he's going to 'ave a go 'imself

Depends on your perspective really. To me, it sounded though something was going to happen that night but that Milky didn't want 'it' done then. Whatever 'it' is, it doesn't sound like Milky really has any control over it because whomever he was speaking to seemed eager to get it done and Milky seemed to be struggling to stay in control of whatever is going on. He also made reference to his daughter being out of the house and safe with him. I think they're going to go after Combo in the house, which would also explain why he wanted his daughter out of the house.

Obviously he wouldn't want his child in a house with a racist but I think there's more to it than that. It'd be interesting if Woody or Lol got killed by accident if there was an attack on the house, after all, it's not like Combo is likely to be out and about much. All the happy family and engagement business makes me feel like Woody's gonna get killed. It'd be ironic if Combo saved Lol, only for Woody to die because she's trying to save Combo.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-09-2015 4:24pm

yeah think someone is going to die in the crossfire

Hitchens · 29-09-2015 5:21pm

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Depends on your perspective really. To me, it sounded though something was going to happen that night but that Milky didn't want 'it' done then. Whatever 'it' is, it doesn't sound like Milky really has any control over it because whomever he was speaking to seemed eager to get it done and Milky seemed to be struggling to stay in control of whatever is going on. He also made reference to his daughter being out of the house and safe with him. I think they're going to go after Combo in the house, which would also explain why he wanted his daughter out of the house.

Obviously he wouldn't want his child in a house with a racist but I think there's more to it than that. It'd be interesting if Woody or Lol got killed by accident if there was an attack on the house, after all, it's not like Combo is likely to be out and about much. All the happy family and engagement business makes me feel like Woody's gonna get killed. It'd be ironic if Combo saved Lol, only for Woody to die because she's trying to save Combo.

All possible of course, but Milky shadow boxing makes it look to me like he's going to try and rough Combo up himself, although I think Milky is too nice a person to go through with it

saintsaltynuts · 29-09-2015 5:36pm

That scene at the dinner table was brilliant.The best I've seen in a good while.I was nearly welling up and I'm a tough bastid you know!

ctrl-alt-delete · 29-09-2015 5:49pm

Does anyone know the song that ended episode 3 was?

lolo62 · 29-09-2015 10:16pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Does anyone know the song that ended episode 3 was?

Can't remember what the song at end was but pretty sure I heard some Clint Mansell at some stage

Was it an instrumental piano version of famous song or something..

SteelyDanJalapeno · 29-09-2015 11:25pm

If you watch it on sky with subtitles, it will tell you the songs

ctrl-alt-delete · 30-09-2015 6:14am

lolo62 wrote: »

Can't remember what the song at end was but pretty sure I heard some Clint Mansell at some stage

Was it an instrumental piano version of famous song or something..

It sounds like Stephen Fretwell to me, but not a song I know.

I googled the lyrics i could remember and best result was a script of the episode.

Will try the subtitles trick later and see if it says anything.

K.C · 30-09-2015 6:27am

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Does anyone know the song that ended episode 3 was?

Evangelist - Whirlwind of Rubbish

lolo62 · 30-09-2015 9:10am

K.C wrote: »

Evangelist - Whirlwind of Rubbish

That's the wonderful Gavin Clarke, Shane Meadows did a documentary about him it's on YouTube either Noisy or Vice. He's dead now

Ash.J.Williams · 30-09-2015 9:32am

lolo62 wrote: »

That's the wonderful Gavin Clarke, Shane Meadows did a documentary about him it's on YouTube either Noisy or Vice. He's dead now

yeah it's called the living room, i watched a bit of it the other night, i'll have to watch it properly. From what i saw it's heartbreaking.

lolo62 · 30-09-2015 9:49am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

yeah it's called the living room, i watched a bit of it the other night, i'll have to watch it properly. From what i saw it's heartbreaking.

It is, he was such a delicate soul

K.C · 30-09-2015 9:53am

lolo62 wrote: »

That's the wonderful Gavin Clarke, Shane Meadows did a documentary about him it's on YouTube either Noisy or Vice. He's dead now

Just checked him out on Spotify, what a voice. Will watch that Documentary later

Lenin Skynard · 30-09-2015 5:52pm

I just watched the finale trailer there and they said that it'll be feature length. Great news!

It has been fun to watch so far but not as meaty as the '86 series. I'm not hear to be a moaning michael but I was disappointed with '88 and although entertaining so far, this '90 series has fallen a bit flat for me. I'm expecting a lot from the finale though, they've certainly set it up well.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 30-09-2015 6:18pm

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I just watched the finale trailer there and they said that it'll be feature length. Great news!

It has been fun to watch so far but not as meaty as the '86 series. I'm not hear to be a moaning michael but I was disappointed with '88 and although entertaining so far, this '90 series has fallen a bit flat for me. I'm expecting a lot from the finale though, they've certainly set it up well.

Link to the trailer?

I seen one, but it was only clips of the 1st 3 epsiodes

Right Turn Clyde · 30-09-2015 6:40pm

That third episode contained some of the tensest TV I've ever seen.

By the way, does anyone know why Shaun was invited around for the big revelation? I've seen the movie and all the previous seasons but I'm still not sure what he was doing there. I seem to remember him having a relationship with Combo at one stage, but is that it?

Lisha · 30-09-2015 6:40pm

I'm think someone previously mentioned that the episodes are repeated in Wednesdays. Is this correct does anyone know?
I've checked TV guide and I don't see it listed . I don't have Sky do can't check that way.
Thanks

FelineOverLord · 30-09-2015 6:45pm

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

That third episode contained some of the tensest TV I've ever seen.

By the way, does anyone know why Shaun was invited around for the big revelation? I've seen the movie and all the previous seasons but I'm still not sure what he was doing there. I seem to remember him having a relationship with Combo at one stage, but is that it?

Probably because he saw Combo beat up Milky.

Right Turn Clyde · 30-09-2015 6:48pm

Lisha wrote: »

I'm think someone previously mentioned that the episodes are repeated in Wednesdays. Is this correct does anyone know?
I've checked TV guide and I don't see it listed . I don't have Sky do can't check that way.
Thanks

It's not coming up on the Sky search.

Lenin Skynard · 30-09-2015 6:50pm

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

That third episode contained some of the tensest TV I've ever seen.

Apologies, "promo" would have been a better term to use. It doesn't show any footage from the upcoming episode but it does say that the episode is feature length. It's on Channel Four's Youtube channel.

cozar · 30-09-2015 7:16pm

Can't find a documentary called the living room on anything would it have been called something else or where could I view it?

phatkev · 30-09-2015 7:18pm

cozar wrote: »

Can't find a documentary called the living room on anything would it have been called something else or where could I view it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVJBYBUabbU

pickarooney · 30-09-2015 7:20pm

I'm really confused about which bird happened in which series. How is Milky and Lol's kid so big already?

K.C · 30-09-2015 7:41pm

Just watched this Living Room documentary. Sad how anxiety and depression can take a grip on people. Beautiful music, what a talent.

griffin100 · 30-09-2015 11:21pm

Thinking about unpredictable endings........has Combo actually changed? Will he revert to the racist skinhead before the end with tragic consequences?

I think this is the first time I've ever been properly excited and anxious about a TV programme. Counting down the hours till Sunday. My wife reckons it will be dark and tragic and doesn't want to watch it, she wants me to watch it and tell her what happens.

briany · 01-10-2015 1:09am

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

That third episode contained some of the tensest TV I've ever seen.

By the way, does anyone know why Shaun was invited around for the big revelation? I've seen the movie and all the previous seasons but I'm still not sure what he was doing there. I seem to remember him having a relationship with Combo at one stage, but is that it?

I'm more wondering why Gadget (and maybe Harvey) weren't invited. As it stands now, they're getting Kelly's side of the story more than anything. At least if they were at the dinner, there'd be more opportunity to make their mind up about the whole affair.

I also do think that Combo has genuinely changed. Unfeeling sociopaths don't take the rap for murders they didn't commit, unless they're in a gang or something.

Ash.J.Williams · 01-10-2015 11:24am

It makes sense to me that young people that were close 2 years ago are not so close anymore....and also the gang in the kitchen scene were directly involved in the mick situation! Gadget and Harvey don't have jobs or kids either and prefer the oul hot knives and yokes.

FelineOverLord · 01-10-2015 11:46am

briany wrote: »

I'm more wondering why Gadget (and maybe Harvey) weren't invited. As it stands now, they're getting Kelly's side of the story more than anything. At least if they were at the dinner, there'd be more opportunity to make their mind up about the whole affair.

I also do think that Combo has genuinely changed. Unfeeling sociopaths don't take the rap for murders they didn't commit, unless they're in a gang or something.

Ah, but we musn't forget that Combo has always been in love with Lol.;) It's very tempting for us all to assume that Combo is a reformed character when all we've really seen is the speech he made to the parole board, which may well just have been a lie, and of course he took the blame for Lol because he loves her. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. One things seems certain though, no happy ending.:(

Paddy2012 · 01-10-2015 11:56am

PIORUN wrote: »

there was rumors of a surprise guest next week. Jack O'Connell was mentioned, as he was in the movie. Possibly that's who Milky could have been talking to !

Yeah that would make sense, I remember him saying in an interview he was in talks to return.

Ormus · 01-10-2015 12:08pm

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Ah, but we musn't forget that Combo has always been in love with Lol.;) It's very tempting for us all to assume that Combo is a reformed character when all we've really seen is the speech he made to the parole board, which may well just have been a lie, and of course he took the blame for Lol because he loves her. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. One things seems certain though, no happy ending.:(

We did see him praying on his own in his prison cell. I doubt it's an act. Although in a way it's a pity, he makes a good psycho.

Jon Stark · 01-10-2015 3:37pm

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Ah, but we musn't forget that Combo has always been in love with Lol.;) It's very tempting for us all to assume that Combo is a reformed character when all we've really seen is the speech he made to the parole board, which may well just have been a lie, and of course he took the blame for Lol because he loves her. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. One things seems certain though, no happy ending.:(

I think Combo regretted what he done to Milky instantly after the fact. He actually protected Milky from the other two by glassing one of them.

Ash.J.Williams · 01-10-2015 3:40pm

Ormus wrote: »

We did see him praying on his own in his prison cell. I doubt it's an act. Although in a way it's a pity, he makes a good psycho.

i don't think he was really praying though...i thought he was clinging onto the cross to take his mind off whatever is in his head

Ormus · 01-10-2015 4:17pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i don't think he was really praying though...i thought he was clinging onto the cross to take his mind off whatever is in his head

Isn't that kinda what praying is?

Big Game · 01-10-2015 5:40pm

Paddy2012 wrote: »

Yeah that would make sense, I remember him saying in an interview he was in talks to return.

Combo turned on him in the film as well, it's a possibility. Would Milky really be saying he loved him down the phone to him though? It wasn't even a 'I love you, man' sort of thing but that whole conversation was very odd......

FelineOverLord · 01-10-2015 5:44pm

Ormus wrote: »

Isn't that kinda what praying is?

Ah, but there's praying and there's praying:D I don't know, I'm not convinced he's a reformed character. It's amazing how many criminals 'find Jesus' in prison, the parole board lapped it up anyway. I wonder if they're planning to put a twist where Milky turns out to be Combo's half-brother? Now that would be a shocker.

Big Game · 01-10-2015 5:50pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i don't think he was really praying though...i thought he was clinging onto the cross to take his mind off whatever is in his head

Ah, I think there's no doubt he's changed or at least tried to. He looks a broken man and has done since 86, he pleaded with Lol to let him take the rap because he wanted to do 'something good', he's been shown to have embraced an improvement agenda in prison, did his exams, keep his nose clean etc. Big difference from when him and Banjo were inside the previous time. The attack on Milky was as much about jealousy towards Milky's tight knit family and loving upbringing in comparison to Combo's broken home as it was about race. How he might react when he's pushed into a corner is the crux on Sunday.

This is England '90 in 2015

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