The Hazards of Belief

robindch · 28-09-2015 09:38AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

And the leader David Miscaviage - what the hell makes him tick ? surely he is in it for the money, he can't actually believe that tripe ?

As with the leaders of most religions, and perhaps with most religious believers, there are three characteristics - intelligence, honesty and membership of the religion from which people can pick any two.

TheChizler · 28-09-2015 09:49AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

In fairness tho, have you ever heard of Christians breaking into ex members homes/offices to try and smear them with something, or chucking them into a homemade prison and beating them up - forcing them to clean toilets with toothbrushes ... etc ... - and I'm not talking about actions of individuals , I'm talking about the organisations actions.

Christianity is essentially benign ..

I think I've heard of all of those things being done by Christian organisations.

PopePalpatine · 28-09-2015 10:14AM

TheChizler wrote: »

I think I've heard of all of those things being done by Christian organisations.

Now that you've said that, I thought of those sorts of organisations that are hired by Christian far-right parents to kidnap their children and keep them in what are essentially concentration camps. That sort of **** just boils my blood.

silverharp · 29-09-2015 06:49AM

Catholic politician goes full retard, never go full retard ......

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/26/443790659/congressman-steals-pope-francis-water-brags-about-it

Some people do drink holy water, hoping for a little extra help from above.

But no one steals the pope's.

That is, no one, except Rep. Bob Brady. The Pennsylvania Democrat, a Roman Catholic, apparently eyed the glass atop the lectern next to Pope Francis during his address to Congress. Once Francis was done, Brady nabbed it, sneaked it back to his office — and drank it.

"How many people do you know that drank out of the same glass as the pope?" Brady said, per the Philadelphia Daily News.

This is not the first time Brady has pulled off this kind of heist. He did the same thing after President Obama's first inaugural address.

Brady may have broken at least two of the 10 commandments — Nos. 8 and 10. Per Exodus 20:1-17:

"You shall not steal."
And:

"You shall not covet ... anything that is your neighbor's."
Any good Catholic might feel a measure of guilt for pulling this off. If the Philadelphia congressman does wind up feeling pangs of guilt — and there's no indication he does — the pope happens to be in town.

Maybe he would take Brady's confession. After all, Francis has declared this the year of mercy.

Penn · 29-09-2015 08:59AM

silverharp wrote: »

Catholic politician goes full retard, never go full retard ......

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/26/443790659/congressman-steals-pope-francis-water-brags-about-it

He was mentioned on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver too. Apparently he's going to bless his grandchildren with the water too. To which John Oliver said, "Just because the Pope drank it doesn't make it special. That's not Holy Water, it's the backwash of an elderly Argentinian man!"

Nodin · 30-09-2015 10:03AM

"A 50-year-old man in northern India has been killed in a mob lynching allegedly over rumours that his family had been storing and consuming beef at home.
Mohammad Akhlaq was kicked and beaten with stones by a group of men in Dadri in Uttar Pradesh state on Monday night.
Mr Akhlaq's 22-year-old son was also seriously injured in the attack, and has been admitted to a hospital. "
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34398433

....a waste of a human life.

robindch · 30-09-2015 10:10AM

Pope Frank lays out in detail, the reasoning behind the church's "no women priests" rule. Which is to say, he stated the policy, then waffled, then changed topic.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/francis-again-rejects-women-priests-without-specific-reasoning

National Catholic Reporter wrote:

[...] In response to a question during a press conference on his flight back to Rome late Sunday/early Monday after an historic ten-day trip to Cuba and the U.S., Francis said that while women may "have the capacity" to be priests John Paul clearly made a negative decision in that regard.

"Women priests -- that cannot be done," the pontiff said bluntly. "Pope St. John Paul II -- after long, long discussions, long reflections -- said it clearly." "Not because women do not have the capacity," said Francis. "But, look, in the church, women are more important than men because the church is woman; it is 'la' church, not 'il' church," he said, speaking in Italian and referring to the gendered article used before the Italian word for church.

"The Church is the bride of Jesus Christ," said the pope. "And the Madonna is more important than popes and bishops and priests. I must recognize we are a bit late in an elaboration of the theology of women," he continued. "We have to move ahead with that theology. Yes, that’s true." [...]

Nodin · 30-09-2015 10:23AM

robindch wrote: »

Pope Frank lays out in detail, the reasoning behind the church's "no women priests" rule. Which is to say, he stated the policy, then waffled, then changed topic.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/francis-again-rejects-women-priests-without-specific-reasoning

Hmmmm. "I'll be fecked if I'm opening that can of worms". Like the way he blamed the dead guy though.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-09-2015 03:09PM

Ten years on, Danish daily stands by Muhammad caricatures

Nodin · 30-09-2015 03:15PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ten years on, Danish daily stands by Muhammad caricatures

Stands near by them, or by them in the general region sense?

BlaasForRafa · 01-10-2015 12:06AM

Pope Frank meets 3 times divorcee Kim Davis who refused to do her job and issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34398904

Pope frank told her to "stay strong"....apparently.

Nodin · 01-10-2015 05:10AM

Go to America for a few days, come across well, then crap on it all on the way out the door.

pauldla · 01-10-2015 08:18AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Pope Frank meets 3 times divorcee Kim Davis who refused to do her job and issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34398904

Pope frank told her to "stay strong"....apparently.

I'd be more impressed if he had said 'stay strong' really quickly five times.

Cabaal · 01-10-2015 10:15AM

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/08/15/the-good-wife/

Everything you needed to know about being a good Catholic wife in 1938 but were afraid to ask.

Your husband comes first in the house. His will should prevail. Therefore you belong to him more than to your parents (p. 23).

You are beginning a new life which you have entered through sacred doors. It was not a mere ceremony which took place before God’s altar. God’s hands were extended over you in blessing for the holy task which lies before you (p. 3)

And, in the context of the recent debate Ireland has had on abortion, here’s a section called ‘A Murderess’

When the mother’s life is endangered by the birth of the child, the life that is coming may not be destroyed. Even the doctor may not do this. He may do all that is possible to save the mother’s life except anything that would directly destroy the life of the child … Woe to the mother who is a murderess! (p. 26).

Good times.

So, nothings changed there now

pauldla · 01-10-2015 02:47PM

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/08/15/the-good-wife/

So, nothings changed there now

Heck of a thing to have hanging over you going into childbirth. And if you did manage to get through it, you still had to go and get cleansed a month or so after giving birth (IIRC).

But sure it's how people wanted it back then.:mad:

Nodin · 01-10-2015 03:08PM

The good old days, before society was corrupted with all the sex and violence on the TV....

kylith · 01-10-2015 06:41PM

robindch wrote: »

Pope Frank lays out in detail, the reasoning behind the church's "no women priests" rule. Which is to say, he stated the policy, then waffled, then changed topic.

"Women priests -- that cannot be done," the pontiff said bluntly. "Pope St. John Paul II -- after long, long discussions, long reflections -- said it clearly." "Not because women do not have the capacity," said Francis. "But, look, in the church, women are more important than men because the church is woman; it is 'la' church, not 'il' church," he said, speaking in Italian and referring to the gendered article used before the Italian word for church.

"The Church is the bride of Jesus Christ," said the pope. "And the Madonna is more important than popes and bishops and priests. I must recognize we are a bit late in an elaboration of the theology of women," he continued. "We have to move ahead with that theology. Yes, that’s true." [...]

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/francis-again-rejects-women-priests-without-specific-reasoning

So, if the church is a woman (because of the gender rules of one language), and is the bride of Christ, and women are more important than men, then shouldn't the pope be a woman?

PopePalpatine · 01-10-2015 07:37PM

Oh no no no no, you see it is a sign of humility on the part of men that only they can be Pope. :rolleyes:

Nodin · 01-10-2015 07:46PM

kylith wrote: »

So, if the church is a woman (because of the gender rules of one language), and is the bride of Christ, and women are more important than men, then shouldn't the pope be a woman?

Obviously that's mad talk altogether.

robindch · 01-10-2015 09:40PM

kylith wrote: »

So, if the church is a woman (because of the gender rules of one language), and is the bride of Christ, and women are more important than men, then shouldn't the pope be a woman?

'Frances' swings both ways, so to speak.

Nodin · 03-10-2015 10:42AM

"ONGOLE: In a gruesome instance of human sacrifice, a villager severed the head of a four-year-old child and offered his blood to Goddess Kali seeking "divine powers". The macabre incident took place in Scheduled Castes colony in the remote Pokur village at Valetivaripalem mandal in Prakasam district on Wednesday.

Police recovered the sickle used by the accused, P Tirumala Rao (35), to kill the boy, Manu Sagar, at his residence. Enraged villagers caught hold of Rao and set him on fire. He was taken to Kandukur hospital with 40% burns. Villagers said Rao performed black magic and various pujas as he believed he would attain divine powers and wealth by human sacrifice. The accused is believed to have filled the blood in a bottle and offered it to deities."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Macabre-4-yr-old-boy-sacrificed-in-Andhra-Pradesh/articleshow/49176243.cms?

Can't say much to that, really.

recedite · 04-10-2015 03:20PM

Sometimes a crowd of angry villagers with pitchforks and flaming torches can be a good thing. Not very often, but sometimes.

MrPudding · 07-10-2015 08:59AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/end-of-world-7-october-ebible-fellowship?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

MrP

Nodin · 07-10-2015 11:00AM

MrPudding wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/end-of-world-7-october-ebible-fellowship?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

MrP

The eBible Fellowship

'Dragging the 14th Century into the 21st'

oscarBravo · 07-10-2015 11:04AM

Nodin wrote: »

'Dragging the 14th Century into the 21st'

...or vice versa.

Hotblack Desiato · 07-10-2015 10:41PM

Well, I had the feeling something like this was only a matter of time.

Mass-goers allege Father Joseph Okere said those who voted yes in same-sex marriage referendum were ‘devil worshippers’

pauldla · 08-10-2015 05:04AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Well, I had the feeling something like this was only a matter of time.

Mass-goers allege Father Joseph Okere said those who voted yes in same-sex marriage referendum were ‘devil worshippers’

In fairness there are parts of Africa where lines like that could pass without an eyelid batted.

Penn · 08-10-2015 08:36AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Well, I had the feeling something like this was only a matter of time.

Mass-goers allege Father Joseph Okere said those who voted yes in same-sex marriage referendum were ‘devil worshippers’

In his apology, Dr Duffy, Bishop of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise, said Fr Okere had been reflecting on the scripture readings of the day which had at their core the theme of marriage.

"It's not really his fault. He was just referencing the Bible!"

MrPudding · 08-10-2015 09:16AM

Penn wrote: »

"It's not really his fault. He was just referencing the Bible!"

As an excuse it is a pretty poor one, and it does beg the question: if what he said required and apology then you consider what he said to be wrong. But if what he said was based on the bible then what does that say about the bible?

MrP

Penn · 08-10-2015 09:41AM

MrPudding wrote: »

As an excuse it is a pretty poor one, and it does beg the question: if what he said required and apology then you consider what he said to be wrong. But if what he said was based on the bible then what does that say about the bible?

MrP

It's like seeing someone you haven't seen in a few years. Sure, they've gotten really fat, but you're not supposed to say it. It's fine to talk about it behind their back to people you know agree with you and won't tell them you said it, but if it got out in the open, you may have to apologise, because talking about how fat they got is rude and might hurt their feelings, regardless of how true it is. Likewise, the apology wasn't that what the priest said was wrong, it was that he said it.

This is the worst post I've ever made. Even I don't understand what I just wrote. Ignore everything.

The Hazards of Belief

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