Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

connachta · 01-09-2015 02:04PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Marmion........... must be disappointed. Strange decision (if true), but there you go

No Boss ahead of him, so I'm ok with it:)

.ak · 01-09-2015 02:11PM

connachta wrote: »

No Boss ahead of him, so I'm ok with it:)

Schmidt said if there's an injury to any of the 9's they'd call up Boss.

connachta · 01-09-2015 02:12PM

b.gud wrote: »

FWIW in the official IRFU gallery
Hensahw and Payne are listed as Centre/Fullback.

Here we are, as I said:)

phog · 01-09-2015 02:22PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Off topic, but he was reffing at the Limerick Sevens event

I didn't see him but I heard he did AR at the Munster v LI game last week. Good to see ex-players sticking with the game.

ionadnapóca · 01-09-2015 02:23PM

gamma001 wrote: »

healy fit to play against england

Fingers & toes crossed that he will still be in the matchday squad come Oct 11th (Fra)...and beyond!

padser · 01-09-2015 02:38PM

wittycynic wrote: »

It worries me that a guy who was supposedly touch and go for the whole tournament is now miraculously able to play our next warm up. There's no point in risking him in what will be a tough test in Twickenham. Better give him an extra couple of weeks and introduce him versus Canada or Romania.

If you saw Healy trying to recover fitness with Leinster last year you would understand that he needs a lot of games to get fit. After 3/4 runs off the bench he was still 20 yards behind the play in his first and second start (so 5th/6th game back).

If Healy plays against England, Romania, Canada and Italy (20/30/40 mins each game) I'd guess he will have 20/30 minute of test intensity rugby in him for the French and might be able to start a QF.

Even that's pushing it I think, but a run out against England is damn near essential for him.

Yeah_Right · 01-09-2015 02:39PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Its 5(?) years ago and more to the point he was scrummaging against 17 year olds!

I'm not doubting that he has practiced in training and I don't disagree that moving tight to loose is easier than the reverse (based on my extensive experience :pac: ) but I also don't think its as easy to do so at international level as you claim. Surely we would see it more often were it so easy?

I never claimed it would be easy to do at this level. In fact I pointed out his inexperience at this level worries me. Honestly, I was surprised Furlong was taken ahead of Bent.

I believe we will only see him on the field at loosehead towards the end of a match that's in the bag AND that's only if Healy or McGrath had a niggle that needed rest for one game. The only chance of Furlong getting significant game time at LH is through a horrible combination of injuries, suspensions and bad timing.

connachta · 01-09-2015 02:46PM

.ak wrote: »

Schmidt said if there's an injury to any of the 9's they'd call up Boss.

But there's none ATM, so Boss isn't in the plane.
And don't forget provincial games will take place. 4 or 5 good ones for Marms and the reverse for Bossy, and Schmidt's opinion could change. As it changed about bringing only two scrummies

Squidgy Black · 01-09-2015 02:52PM

connachta wrote: »

But there's none ATM, so Boss isn't in the plane.

connachta · 01-09-2015 02:55PM

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Haha such a revealing pic. Boss protectors are Dark Vador's troops:D

Sangre · 01-09-2015 02:57PM

padser wrote: »

If you saw Healy trying to recover fitness with Leinster last year you would understand that he needs a lot of games to get fit. After 3/4 runs off the bench he was still 20 yards behind the play in his first and second start (so 5th/6th game back).

If Healy plays against England, Romania, Canada and Italy (20/30/40 mins each game) I'd guess he will have 20/30 minute of test intensity rugby in him for the French and might be able to start a QF.

Even that's pushing it I think, but a run out against England is damn near essential for him.

Well, he was out for a very long time with a lower body injury which would have impacted on his fitness training generally. That may not necessarily be the case here.

mfceiling · 01-09-2015 03:02PM

connachta wrote: »

But there's none ATM, so Boss isn't in the plane.
And don't forget provincial games will take place. 4 or 5 good ones for Marms and the reverse for Bossy, and Schmidt's opinion could change. As it changed about bringing only two scrummies

Keiran can you stop posting here and get back to training with connacht. I'm sure Joe will let you know if he needs you or not.

connachta · 01-09-2015 03:10PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Keiran can you stop posting here and get back to training with connacht. I'm sure Joe will let you know if he needs you or not.

Same for Boss, that's the important part:D

thomond2006 · 01-09-2015 03:13PM

connachta wrote: »

Same for Boss, that's the important part:D

For the love of Jebus, let it go.

Wang King · 01-09-2015 03:16PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

For the love of Jebus, let it go.

Yeah, Joe saw the boss v Marmion debate on here and said "Fck it, I'm not bringing either of them, that'll learn those pesky boardsies"!

kuang1 · 01-09-2015 03:19PM

Missed the press conference...what did joe say about Trimble? Injured?

total former · 01-09-2015 03:20PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Keiran can you stop posting here and get back to training with connacht. I'm sure Joe will let you know if he needs you or not.

I'd say Marmion would be absolutely mortified if he saw these posts being made on his behalf.

CatFromHue · 01-09-2015 03:24PM

kuang1 wrote: »

Missed the press conference...what did joe say about Trimble? Injured?

He didn't say he was injured but did say the injury after the first Wales game stopped him really competing in a very competitive area in the squad.

Utah_Saint · 01-09-2015 03:34PM

to save me reading through the many pages of this forum - Why was trimble left out in the end? was it injury ? did his foot flair up after the Ulster game?

Utah_Saint · 01-09-2015 03:36PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

He didn't say he was injured but did say the injury after the first Wales game stopped him really competing in a very competitive area in the squad.

very disappointing considering other players have been given every chance to prove fitness. Ah Well at least Ulster will be in better shape over the next few months!:)

pickarooney · 01-09-2015 03:38PM

connachta wrote: »

Haha such a revealing pic. Boss protectors are Dark Vador's troops:D

When are you going to reveal that all along you've wanted Marmion to go in the hope he'd be playing against your native France and would get destroyed

Quint2010 · 01-09-2015 03:44PM

Trimble's lack of versatility probably also told against him. He is an out and out winger whereas Earls and Fitzgerald can both play centre and Zebo full back and wing. Once Earls and Fitzgeralds injuries were deemed not serious Trimbles fate was decided-allowing for the fact that Dave Kearney had really impressed in the warm ups.

jacothelad · 01-09-2015 03:45PM

Clareman wrote: »

Didnt' France try for a few years to produce 9s who were 10s and 10s who were 9s, they just ended up being ok in both positions.

Ellisalde and Michalak

shuffol · 01-09-2015 03:47PM

It was probably a straight shootout between Trimble and D.Kearney with the latters performance against Wales being decisive.

jacothelad · 01-09-2015 03:47PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

A guy who contributed to some of this imperfect situation is Jackson. While a 9/10 combo player is nice, it is far less to expect an international level outhalf to be able to usefully provide back up elsewhere in the outside backs. Jackson is handicapped by being a 10 and nothing but, so offering no cover. Bringing 3 tens forced the Madigan-9 squeeze, in order to include Cave.

The situation only arises in a WC squad scenario, so wont hamper Jackson chances otherwise since far less of a problem for any other one off international game.

From what we have seen, Jackson is every bit as good a 12 as Madigan.

connachta · 01-09-2015 03:48PM

pickarooney wrote: »

When are you going to reveal that all along you've wanted Marmion to go in the hope he'd be playing against your native France and would get destroyed

I would have picked your Boss if I wanted this:D:P:p

irishbucsfan · 01-09-2015 03:48PM

jacothelad wrote: »

From what we have seen, Jackson is every bit as good a 12 as Madigan.

Wouldn't disagree with that. Although a lot of people aren't even aware he's played there for Ulster.

total former · 01-09-2015 03:51PM

jacothelad wrote: »

From what we have seen, Jackson is every bit as good a 12 as Madigan.

Can I ask a genuine question; how many games has he actually started at 12, and how long ago?

jacothelad · 01-09-2015 03:57PM

total former wrote: »

Can I ask a genuine question; how many games has he actually started at 12, and how long ago?

He has moved there during games on quite a few occasions and has looked very accomplished there. It allows Pienaar to move to 10 for example. He may have started a few at 12 but I honestly don't think so but it's clear that he is very comfortable there - as are most good 10s to be fair.

connachta · 01-09-2015 04:08PM

So if we're unlucky we'll have, for France or Q-f

17) Furlong (if Healy not fit)
18) No-one (if Ross gets injured at the same time, within 48 hours before K-o, White and Furlong both occupied)
21) Madigan

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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