Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

connachta · 19-08-2015 12:35am

baaba maal wrote: »

Jaysus, every time I check this thread there is another angle on why Marmion is/isn't/should/shouldn't be in the frame- would you please starting a thread on Marmion v Boss and let everyone else discuss, I don't know- Ireland Team Talk, gossip and rumours?

It's on standby now, no more until Wales at least from me

Sangre · 19-08-2015 10:16am

baaba maal wrote: »

Jaysus, every time I check this thread there is another angle on why Marmion is/isn't/should/shouldn't be in the frame- would you please starting a thread on Marmion v Boss and let everyone else discuss, I don't know- Ireland Team Talk, gossip and rumours?

You know the squad is well settled when the discussion is utterly dominated by who the third choice scrumhalf will be.

Zzippy · 19-08-2015 10:59am

baaba maal wrote: »

Jaysus, every time I check this thread there is another angle on why Marmion is/isn't/should/shouldn't be in the frame- would you please starting a thread on Marmion v Boss and let everyone else discuss, I don't know- Ireland Team Talk, gossip and rumours?

If you have a problem with a post, report it. Don't try to backseat mod and tell people what they should or shouldn't post on.

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 11:50am

I'm supposed to be doing a research paper for college so I've decided to draw up my ideal 23 and what I think joe will go for(oh and I'm presuming Trimble doesn't recover and Healy does)
Ideal:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6pom
7sob
8heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 Zebo
12 henshaw
13 fitz
14 bowe
15 Payne

16 McGrath
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21 reddan
22 Madigan
23 Dave Kearney

Joes team:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6 Pom
7sob
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 fitz
12 henshaw
13 Payne
14 bowe
15 Kearney
16mcgrqth
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21reddan
22 Madigan
23 DKearney

bradders90 · 19-08-2015 12:02pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

I'm supposed to be doing a research paper for college so I've decided to draw up my ideal 23 and what I think joe will go for(oh and I'm presuming Trimble doesn't recover and Healy does)
Ideal:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6pom
7sob
8heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 Zebo
12 henshaw
13 fitz
14 bowe
15 Payne

16 McGrath
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21 reddan
22 Madigan
23 Dave Kearney

Joes team:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6 Pom
7sob
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 fitz
12 henshaw
13 Payne
14 bowe
15 Kearney
16mcgrqth
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21reddan
22 Madigan
23 DKearney

you wouldnt even have RK on the bench?/!

Mr Tickle · 19-08-2015 12:05pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

I'm supposed to be doing a research paper for college so I've decided to draw up my ideal 23 and what I think joe will go for(oh and I'm presuming Trimble doesn't recover and Healy does)
Ideal:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6pom
7sob
8heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 Zebo
12 henshaw
13 fitz
14 bowe
15 Payne

16 McGrath
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21 reddan
22 Madigan
23 Dave Kearney

Joes team:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6 Pom
7sob
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 fitz
12 henshaw
13 Payne
14 bowe
15 Kearney
16mcgrqth
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21reddan
22 Madigan
23 DKearney

yours isn't far off what i drew up. You think Henry is ahead of Murphy in Joe's eyes?

flangemeistro · 19-08-2015 1:23pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

I'm supposed to be doing a research paper for college so I've decided to draw up my ideal 23 and what I think joe will go for(oh and I'm presuming Trimble doesn't recover and Healy does)
Ideal:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6pom
7sob
8heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 Zebo
12 henshaw
13 fitz
14 bowe
15 Payne

16 McGrath
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21 reddan
22 Madigan
23 Dave Kearney

Joes team:
1 Healy
2 best
3 Ross
4 toner
5 poc
6 Pom
7sob
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 sexton
11 fitz
12 henshaw
13 Payne
14 bowe
15 Kearney
16mcgrqth
17 Cronin
18 white
19 Henderson
20 Henry
21reddan
22 Madigan
23 DKearney

So basically our team that faced France in this year's 6 Nations plus Healy?
Groundbreaking

molloyjh · 19-08-2015 1:49pm

Interview with Ferris here. Suggests Trimble is out for a few weeks. Surely that's his RWC over then? Awful news for the bloke as he looked well up for it against Wales and could well have fought his way back into the reckoning.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/rugbyunion/2015/08/19/news/ireland-in-the-mix-but-all-blacks-are-the-team-to-beat-232880/

Stephen Ferris wrote:

Any word on Andrew Trimble’s fitness?

I heard he has scar tissue in his foot and he’s going to be out for a couple of weeks. I haven’t spoken to him, he just became a father recently so he’s been fairly busy.

Interested Observer · 19-08-2015 1:52pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

yours isn't far off what i drew up. You think Henry is ahead of Murphy in Joe's eyes?

If he had to pick someone to start at 7 I'd say he'd pick Henry. I think Murphy might make then bench though.

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 1:55pm

bradders90 wrote: »

you wouldnt even have RK on the bench?/!

No I think dave's versatility would have him ahead of rob. And going by joe's advice I'm leaving out one of Zebo, fitz and rob(they're all lefties)

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 1:58pm

flangemeistro wrote: »

So basically our team that faced France in this year's 6 Nations plus Healy?
Groundbreaking

Yeah the team is fairly predictable just did it out of boredom

Also, I didn't know fitz played against France...

flangemeistro · 19-08-2015 2:06pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Yeah the team is fairly predictable just did it out of boredom

Also, I didn't know fitz played against France...

You're right he didn't i just did a quick scan of both the teams and got your 11 mixed up with Joe's 11.
I don't think he'll have Fitz at 11 over Zebo.
I didn't think Fitz would travel either but it's looking like he'll definitely travel now with the news about Trimble.

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 2:08pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

If he had to pick someone to start at 7 I'd say he'd pick Henry. I think Murphy might make then bench though.

No I think the main reason that seanie got game time at 8 was so that he can shift there if heaslip gets injured and Henry comes on at 7. SOB and Henderson give us more than adequate cover at 6.
I'd say joe likes the idea of having a specialist open side on the bench who can shore up the breakdown or change the tempo of needed

The Lost Sheep · 19-08-2015 2:16pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

No I think dave's versatility would have him ahead of rob. And going by joe's advice I'm leaving out one of Zebo, fitz and rob(they're all lefties)

Joe wont leave Rob out. Rob can cover wing just as much as others. Nearly always has played Full back but wrong to say he isn't versatile enough to cover on the bench.

Buer · 19-08-2015 2:19pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

No I think dave's versatility would have him ahead of rob. And going by joe's advice I'm leaving out one of Zebo, fitz and rob(they're all lefties)

Rob Kearney of left wing, right wing, full back and inside centre fame?

Dream bench player.

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 2:24pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Joe wont leave Rob out. Rob can cover wing just as much as others. Nearly always has played Full back but wrong to say he isn't versatile enough to cover on the bench.

Oh yeah not a chance he misses out, this was my fantasy team for want of a better word.
Main reason I left him out was because he's a leftie and imo still less versatile than dave.
FWIW I'd probably be just as happy with a backline of
Murray
Sexton
Fitz
Henshaw
Payne
Bowe
Kearney

Reddan
Madigan
DK

The Lost Sheep · 19-08-2015 2:27pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Oh yeah not a chance he misses out, this was my fantasy team for want of a better word.
Main reason I left him out was because he's a leftie and imo still less versatile than dave.
FWIW I'd probably be just as happy with a backline of
Murray
Sexton
Fitz
Henshaw
Payne
Bowe
Kearney

Reddan
Madigan
DK

But Rob isn't less versatile than Dave. Rob is also miles better a player in all aspects.

The Pheasant2 · 19-08-2015 2:28pm

You wouldn't think Earls would get the nod for 23? Think he provides better cover than DK

.ak · 19-08-2015 2:35pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

You wouldn't think Earls would get the nod for 23? Think he provides better cover than DK

Yeah... To be honest, it would be pretty amazing if DK is ahead of Earls in the 23 now...

But at the end of the day, we'll have 4 quality players and only 2 can make the 23.... Fitz, Earls, Zebo and DK. Presuming that Bowe starts that is...

Personally I'd be taking Fitz and Earls, Fitz to 11 and Earls to 23.

Witheringeye · 19-08-2015 2:45pm

Dave's ability to kick off both feet means he can play both wings under joes regime and could play fb in a pinch.

I've actually reconsidered it though and would have rob or earls ahead of him, just based on quality

The Pheasant2 · 19-08-2015 3:50pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Dave's ability to kick off both feet means he can play both wings under joes regime and could play fb in a pinch.

I've actually reconsidered it though and would have rob or earls ahead of him, just based on quality

Yeah my reasoning quality aside is that Earls provides wing and centre cover and in the case of an injury at FB Payne could drop back and Earls slots in at 13

.ak · 19-08-2015 4:09pm

I'd actually say Earls would go straight to FB before Payne would.

baaba maal · 19-08-2015 4:10pm

Zzippy wrote: »

If you have a problem with a post, report it. Don't try to backseat mod and tell people what they should or shouldn't post on.

Fair enough- to be accurate though, I was complaining about multiple posts all relating to the one issue!

Won't happen again.

connachta · 19-08-2015 4:12pm

.ak wrote: »

Yeah... To be honest, it would be pretty amazing if DK is ahead of Earls in the 23 now...

But at the end of the day, we'll have 4 quality players and only 2 can make the 23.... Fitz, Earls, Zebo and DK. Presuming that Bowe starts that is...

Personally I'd be taking Fitz and Earls, Fitz to 11 and Earls to 23.

agree

awec · 19-08-2015 4:28pm

.ak wrote: »

I'd actually say Earls would go straight to FB before Payne would.

Which is mental cause Payne is an amazing full back. He's a better 15 than he is a 13.

PTH2009 · 19-08-2015 4:38pm

i get nervous when i hear people talking about that we are dead certs for the Quarter finals. we should beat canada and romania but Italy will be a tough one and France always play well against us. A repeat of 2007 will be a disaster.

I have a strange feeling Italy will beat France or worse we top our group and Argentina top there group meaning its us vs the All Blacks in the Quarters.

cant wait for it all

.ak · 19-08-2015 4:40pm

awec wrote: »

Which is mental cause Payne is an amazing full back. He's a better 15 than he is a 13.

I used to agree with you. But the realist in me sees that Payne's experience at 15 has been limited to club rugby, where has he hasn't missed a beat at 13 in his first season on the international stage.

I think people see him as a better fullback than 13 is because for Ulster he was afforded a lot of space a lot of the time at full back and those runs can look more eye catching.

Ben Smith I think gets the same treatment.

Joe tends to know these things better than us too.

Podge_irl · 19-08-2015 4:41pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

I have a strange feeling Italy will beat France or worse we top our group and Argentina top there group meaning its us vs the All Blacks in the Quarters.

Yeah, that's absolutely not going to happen.

Ireland are by no means dead certs for anything. I am, however, justifiably quite confident.

.ak · 19-08-2015 4:42pm

I did have a dream Argentina were going to top their group and inadvertently shaft us.

So therefore it will happen.

Podge_irl · 19-08-2015 4:43pm

.ak wrote: »

I used to agree with you. But the realist in me sees that Payne's experience at 15 has been limited to club rugby, where has he hasn't missed a beat at 13 in his first season on the international stage.

I think people see him as a better fullback than 13 is because for Ulster he was afforded a lot of space a lot of the time at full back and those runs can look more eye catching.

Ben Smith I think gets the same treatment.

Joe tends to know these things better than us too.

Joe has given no indication whether or not he thinks that Payne is a better 13 than fullback - just that he thinks Kearney is a better fullback than Payne and Payne is a good 13.

He won't be moved to 15 as he is still learning to play 13 and it would disrupt the centre partnership.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

Comments