Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

bajer101 · 15-08-2015 07:44PM

The controlled, calm water landings are all well and good, but I just don't see this happening with MH370. Even if the pilot was in control until the very end, I don't think he would have any motivation to effect a smooth water landing in the middle of the Indian ocean. I reckon it was nose down and a quick ending regardless of the cause.

15-08-2015 07:50PM

bajer101 wrote: »

The controlled, calm water landings are all well and good, but I just don't see this happening with MH370. Even if the pilot was in control until the very end, I don't think he would have any motivation to effect a smooth water landing in the middle of the Indian ocean. I reckon it was nose down and a quick ending regardless of the cause.

If it was nose down more than a flaperon would be found by now imo. If he was in control until the end he was on a mission to never be found. If he wanted to nose down he would have off the coast of Malaysia or even on it as we have seen before.

smurfjed · 15-08-2015 07:50PM

I can understand the mindset of the A320 FO, he just selected descent and descended until the end. But I find it extremely strange that someone could sit in the cockpit for hours and just wait to run out of fuel, to me, the only sort of person that i could see doing such a thing would be sitting there reciting words from a holy book!

15-08-2015 08:07PM

smurfjed wrote: »

I can understand the mindset of the A320 FO, he just selected descent and descended until the end. But I find it extremely strange that someone could sit in the cockpit for hours and just wait to run out of fuel, to me, the only sort of person that i could see doing such a thing would be sitting there reciting words from a holy book!

It sure is strange and its only one theory out of many but its looking the most plausible. As we have seen its possible for unwell minds to slip through the net and become pilots.

mickmackey1 · 15-08-2015 08:24PM

smurfjed wrote: »

to me, the only sort of person that i could see doing such a thing would be sitting there reciting words from a holy book!

yeah he should have just crashed it into a mountain right? :rolleyes:

mbur · 15-08-2015 11:33PM

smurfjed wrote: »

I can understand the mindset of the A320 FO, he just selected descent and descended until the end. But I find it extremely strange that someone could sit in the cockpit for hours and just wait to run out of fuel, to me, the only sort of person that i could see doing such a thing would be sitting there reciting words from a holy book!

One thing we can say about lads that fly aeroplanes is that they know the value of plenty of practise. Unlike the germanwings guy the pilots in the MH370 case don't seem to have rehearsed their final flight. This and a few other details lead me to a horrifying conclusion. If someone was controlling the final hours of that flight I don't believe that person was on board.

eatmyshorts · 15-08-2015 11:51PM

mbur wrote: »

One thing we can say about lads that fly aeroplanes is that they know the value of plenty of practise. Unlike the germanwings guy the pilots in the MH370 case don't seem to have rehearsed their final flight. This and a few other details lead me to a horrifying conclusion. If someone was controlling the final hours of that flight I don't believe that person was on board.

Wait until other pilot leaves flight deck.

Turn off transponder.

Disable ACARS SatCom and VHF functions.

Don oxygen mask.

Outflow valves to manual.

Open outflow valves.

Cabin depressurises slowly.

Deny access to flight deck.

Wait until pax oxygen system depletes (22 mins)

Turn off track and fly generally along FIR boundaries, to lower chance of raising suspicion.

When clear of radar range, resume normal cruise.

When everyone aboard dead due to hypoxia, re-pressurise aircraft and remove oxygen mask.

Fly on for as long as you like or until fuel exhaustion.

Ditch aircraft in sea.

It doesn't take any practice if you now what you're doing. Just a little pre-planning and forethought.

eatmyshorts · 16-08-2015 12:39AM

mbur wrote: »

. This and a few other details lead me to a horrifying conclusion. If someone was controlling the final hours of that flight I don't believe that person was on board.

What other details lead you to that conclusion?

There's no way anyone from the outside can override the flight controls on a 777.

smurfjed · 16-08-2015 07:20AM

Unfortunately EatMyShorts has posted what in my opinion is the most likely scenario, you could replace the 1st action with a swift swing of the fire axe.

Now I'm curious as to how mbur thinks that this aircraft was controlled from an external source. But if it was, wouldn't it have made more sense to crash into a military base to justify the action?

Happyman42 · 16-08-2015 10:07AM

smurfjed wrote: »

But if it was, wouldn't it have made more sense to crash into a military base to justify the action?

Not a conspiracy theorist but playing devil's advocate here.
How do we know that that wasn't what it was trying to do and it was taken out?

To be clearer, is there any fact about this that definitely rules it out? Just wondering.

Maximus Alexander · 16-08-2015 01:13PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Not a conspiracy theorist but playing devil's advocate here.
How do we know that that wasn't what it was trying to do and it was taken out?

To be clearer, is there any fact about this that definitely rules it out? Just wondering.

The fact that you can't take remote control of a commercial 777 surely?

Happyman42 · 16-08-2015 05:18PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The fact that you can't take remote control of a commercial 777 surely?

Sorry, I meant the bit about it heading for a military base and being taken out.

pfurey101 · 16-08-2015 07:33PM

mbur and happyman - did you see that program on C4 where they crashed a 727 by remote control.....if so, did you actually see the problems they had trying to modify the a/c and then to try and keep it under control from the chase a/c??

There is no way anyone on any device anywhere on the planet can hack into any aircraft primary/secondary flight guidance/control computers. I'd imagine it's easier to just get your own person on board to take over or use a missile or buy a drone.

I'd even guess that the deepest darkest dark ops people out there haven't anything workable.

mbur · 16-08-2015 10:49PM

pfurey101 wrote: »

mbur and happyman - did you see that program on C4 where they crashed a 727 by remote control.....if so, did you actually see the problems they had trying to modify the a/c and then to try and keep it under control from the chase a/c??

There is no way anyone on any device anywhere on the planet can hack into any aircraft primary/secondary flight guidance/control computers. I'd imagine it's easier to just get your own person on board to take over or use a missile or buy a drone.

I'd even guess that the deepest darkest dark ops people out there haven't anything workable.

I hope you are right. I wish you were right. There are plenty that will agree with you on that point. There are also a few voices who will point out that when it come to software and communications anything is possible as long as the channels are open. I'm not going to rehearse that argument here but I will say that the only way to prove that remote control is not possible is to open source the software and let everyone take a look at it. Can't see that happening any time soon.

But if you are right we have a huge problem to get over.

It is that the rogue pilot theory doesn't fit at all well with what is currently know about this flight. You would think that by now someone would have come up with some background info about either pilot that would have us all cringing. But so far nada. Look at 'similar' examples like Germanwings and Fedex 705. I'm sure there are more. In every proven case I'll bet you there is ample evidence of some underlying problem that became the protagonists motive.

Happyman42 · 16-08-2015 11:10PM

pfurey101 wrote: »

mbur and happyman - did you see that program on C4 where they crashed a 727 by remote control.....if so, did you actually see the problems they had trying to modify the a/c and then to try and keep it under control from the chase a/c??

There is no way anyone on any device anywhere on the planet can hack into any aircraft primary/secondary flight guidance/control computers. I'd imagine it's easier to just get your own person on board to take over or use a missile or buy a drone.

I'd even guess that the deepest darkest dark ops people out there haven't anything workable.

Again, I am not suggesting it was done by remote control, I am talking about a rogue pilot.

I am just asking is there anything that officially or definitively rules out that it may have been trying to aim at a military base?

Fuzzy Clam · 16-08-2015 11:23PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Again, I am not suggesting it was done by remote control, I am talking about a rogue pilot.

I am just asking is there anything that officially or definitively rules out that it may have been trying to aim at a military base?

Since nobody knows the route the plane took, how can anything be ruled out?

Happyman42 · 16-08-2015 11:54PM

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Since nobody knows the route the plane took, how can anything be ruled out?

cheers, that's all I wanted to know.

Galway K9 · 18-08-2015 03:07PM

I was wondering if we could have a poll on this thread, to see what the common opinion of what happened to Flight MH370 knowing that the plane has crashed into the Indian Ocean.

postitnote · 18-08-2015 03:24PM

I don't think there would be a poll large enough to satisfy the conspiracy theorists though :-P

Synode · 18-08-2015 03:25PM

I doubt most people suspect anything other than pilot suicide

Galway K9 · 18-08-2015 03:51PM

depressurization of cabin, Pilot took off auto-pilot, and pilot passed out, plane changed direction, flyed for sometime, and crashed?

smurfjed · 18-08-2015 03:56PM

Pilot took off auto-pilot

Correct procedure is to do the descent with the autopilot on. How did the aircraft change direction after the pilot died?

pfurey101 · 03-09-2015 04:34PM

French confirmed ""avec certitude" Flaperon is from MH370

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/vol-mh370-le-debris-d-avion-retrouve-a-la-reunion-fin-juillet-appartient-avec-certitude-au-boeing-de-la-malaysia-airlines_1068365.html

keno-daytrader · 03-09-2015 04:34PM

French prosecutors say 'with certainty' wing part found on Reunion Island in July came from missing flight MH370

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34145127

pfurey101 · 03-09-2015 04:34PM

*Duplicate posting*

Busted Flat. · 03-09-2015 08:33PM

keno-daytrader wrote: »

French prosecutors say 'with certainty' wing part found on Reunion Island in July came from missing flight MH370

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34145127

Heads will roll on the guy in charge that missed that bit in the clean up.

keno-daytrader · 03-09-2015 08:37PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Heads will roll on the guy in charge that missed that bit in the clean up.

Huh??

JCX BXC · 03-09-2015 08:40PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Heads will roll on the guy in charge that missed that bit in the clean up.

Are you confusing this with MH17?

Busted Flat. · 03-09-2015 08:53PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Are you confusing this with MH17?

No, but it could be embarrassing taken the two happened in such a short space of time.

jamo2oo9 · 03-09-2015 08:55PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Before I get sanctioned again, it is now accepted that the plane headed into the Indian ocean a major airspace controlled by the US, it is their biggest air base with the latest radar and communications outside the US. My point is if they failed to pick up MH370 in their radar or AWACS then their security failed. If they seen an aircraft heading towards them with no flight recognition signal they would be entitled to take it down. That is not a conspiracy theory. The problem I see if they had to shoot it down why not admit it and end the grief.

Why would the United States of America's military see a plane with no tags or information flying over the Indian ocean a threat to them despite the fact that they are basically on the other side of the globe.......

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