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Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

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    #6332
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Yes.


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    #6333
    smurfs5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 612 ✭✭✭smurfs5


    roundymac wrote: »
    This could have been asked already, could the black box's have been turned off along with all the other stuff that appears to have been turned off?

    Unfortunately, yes, they could have. I don't know the technicalities of it but based on the pilot's experience and apparent technical knowledge, it's a possibility if he wanted the plane to just disappear. That's presuming deliberate action, of course.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUiCQmrITo

    Watched the above the other day and it goes through every possible eventuality and the consensus seems to be that deliberate action was the most likely cause. Everything seems to point to the pilot locking himself in the cockpit alone and either depressurising the cabin or not until the plane ran out of fuel. It does seem like he wanted the plane, its passengers and himself to just disappear. Pure speculation, of course, but no other theory really stands up.


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    #6334
    2 stroke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    I'd like to think that trackable buoys were dropped throughout the search area to map the ocean currents since the plane disappeared. Data from such buoys would be invaluable for backtracking debris.


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    #6335
    elastico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭elastico


    2 stroke wrote: »
    I'd like to think that trackable buoys were dropped throughout the search area to map the ocean currents since the plane disappeared. Data from such buoys would be invaluable for backtracking debris.

    Yes I believe they were dropped. But different shapes, sizes and weights of bits of debris will float at different rates and possibly end up in very different places.

    In any case reunion island is tiny. It's a miracle such an obvious component landed there and didn't just float on by.


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    #6336
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    I'd like to think that trackable buoys were dropped throughout the search area to map the ocean currents since the plane disappeared
    I don't know how wide spread the Tsunami tracking system is, but its likely that this system has a better record of ocean tides than anything else.


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    #6337
    chanelfreak
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    I thought that only the cockpit voice recorder could be turned off and not the flight data recorder?


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    #6338
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Both can be SHUT off.


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    #6339
    chanelfreak
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Both can be SHUT off.

    No need for the shouty caps, it was just a question.

    I thought that pulling the circuit breaker only worked for turning off the CVR and that the FDR was more 'tamper-proof', which is why I asked the question in the first place.


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    #6340
    _Tombstone_
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Both can be SHUT off.

    Why would that be allowed?


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    #6341
    rrpc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Both can be SHUT off.

    I read somewhere that this isn't possible from the cockpit; that you'd have to access the electronics bay through a hatch in the forward galley to pull the circuit breakers. The Satcom breakers are in the same location and clearly they weren't pulled.


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    #6342
    Galway K9
    Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    Guys,

    Sorry to jump in, I was googling for an update on the Debris found, and last i heard was it was in France for analysis to confirm if the debris was that actually from the MH370.
    i can probably safely guess it is (only missing B-777 in the world), but wanted an official update. Anyone know?


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    #6343
    JaCrispy
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Guys,

    Sorry to jump in, I was googling for an update on the Debris found, and last i heard was it was in France for analysis to confirm if the debris was that actually from the MH370.
    i can probably safely guess it is (only missing B-777 in the world), but wanted an official update. Anyone know?

    Nothing yet. Don't worry, it will fill all the news bulletins once it's confirmed. It'll be hard to miss.


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    #6344
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    rrpc wrote: »
    I read somewhere that this isn't possible from the cockpit; that you'd have to access the electronics bay through a hatch in the forward galley to pull the circuit breakers. The Satcom breakers are in the same location and clearly they weren't pulled.

    Correct.


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    #6345
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,645 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    You would think that the 300 plus life jackets on board would have floated to the shores of the world quicker than the wing part.


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    #6346
    JaCrispy
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    You would think that the 300 plus life jackets on board would have floated to the shores of the world quicker than the wing part.

    The life jackets aren't buoyant until they are activated


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    #6347
    rrpc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    _Tombstone_ wrote: »
    Why would that be allowed?
    Electrical fire would be one of the main reasons. The crew would have to be able to shut down electrical systems suspected of causing a fire or short circuit.


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    #6348
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    I read somewhere that this isn't possible from the cockpit; that you'd have to access the electronics bay through a hatch in the forward galley to pull the circuit breakers.
    Hence the reason i tried to differentiate between SHUT off and SWITCH off...... but I guess that some people are too sensitive :)


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    #6349
    chanelfreak
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Hence the reason i tried to differentiate between SHUT off and SWITCH off...... but I guess that some people are too sensitive :)

    I'm not sure how saying that 'both can be SHUT' off is differentiating between something being switched off and shut off, but whatever.


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    #6350
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    elastico wrote: »
    In any case reunion island is tiny. It's a miracle such an obvious component landed there and didn't just float on by.

    I suppose if x amount of debris is floating by, there's a reasonable probability one piece of it will land on Reunion.


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    #6351
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    You would think that the 300 plus life jackets on board would have floated to the shores of the world quicker than the wing part.

    The flaperon has a large surface area exposed to the surface wind. Acting a bit like a sail.


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    #6352
    rrpc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    chanelfreak wrote: »
    I'm not sure how saying that 'both can be SHUT' off is differentiating between something being switched off and shut off, but whatever.
    It's almost a technical differentiation. Something being shut off means it's off beyond the switch and can't be switched on. Like shutting off the mains power or shutting off a stop-cock. It implies that the 'flow' is stopped before it gets to the outlet (or switch).


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    #6353
    chanelfreak
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    rrpc wrote: »
    It's almost a technical differentiation. Something being shut off means it's off beyond the switch and can't be switched on. Like shutting off the mains power or shutting off a stop-cock. It implies that the 'flow' is stopped before it gets to the outlet (or switch).

    I know the difference (but thank you anyway for your explanation!) I was just being a bit cheeky to smurfjed - I guess I am a bit sensitive today :o


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    #6354
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    More stuff washing up, bottled water (the brand can be purchased in Malaysia apparently) and a plastic moulding of sorts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/04/mh370-suspected-malaysia-airlines-water-bottles-plane-window-reunion_n_7933422.html?1438700299&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067


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    #6355
    Galway K9
    Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    I was reading in article this morning too, that residents of reunion cliamed a "plane seat" was on the rocks but never reported as nothing thought of it.


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    #6356
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭fits


    No way those water bottles were in tropical sunshine for a year. Labels look far too good.


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    #6357
    pfurey101
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭pfurey101


    I wonder how much debris could have missed Reunion and is already lying on, or heading on its way to, the sparsely populated shores of Madagascar.


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    #6358
    pfurey101
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭pfurey101


    pfurey101 wrote: »
    I wonder how much debris could have missed Reunion and is already lying on, or heading on its way to, the sparsely populated shores of Madagascar.


    Found this, although I think it was posted before

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    Oceanographers created this chart one year ago showing the potential drift of MH370, starting from the Indian Ocean search zone. Experts say the chart's predicitions are 'entirely consistent' with the location of newly-found debris on La Reunion, off the coast of Madagascar.

    Daily Mail


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    #6359
    JaCrispy
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    It is possible that large piece of the fuselage remained intact on the seafloor.

    Erosion could have caused smaller bits e.g. the wing part and smaller bits from the baggage area to be released over time hence the lack of weathering. Just a theory.


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    #6360
    Duiske
    Registered Users Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    highlydebased wrote: »
    More stuff washing up, bottled water (the brand can be purchased in Malaysia apparently) and a plastic moulding of sorts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/04/mh370-suspected-malaysia-airlines-water-bottles-plane-window-reunion_n_7933422.html?1438700299&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

    A google search for that brand of bottled water brings up loads of links to retailers in India. As for the "plane window" frame, it seems a bit small ? Looks to me like part of the housing of an electric sewing machine or something similar.


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    #6361
    pfurey101
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭pfurey101


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