Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

frazzledhome wrote: »

All these Artisan foods and farmers markets look lovely on telly. Any I've ever visited are over priced with only 1 or 2 offering any kind of wow/value.

We export 90% of our production and the quickest way off the island is the way to go. Let R&D continue and if niche products are developed well and good but they won't do much for our prices

I have to disagree with you Frazz.
1. I don't think that you should be appointed as judge and jury on artisan products.
If artisan producers got the same exposure to the marketplace as, say IT, re government funding/marketing etc, then the public could decide.
There is a distinct lack of IRISH international artisan food fairs/promotions etc. The big processors get all the help like going on trade missions etc.
2. Your second point sounds like the industry should send artisan producers to Coventry...

I don't know Shyte about the development of small cottage industry into international business but regretfully your post sums up the thinking of the establishment.

CelticRambler wrote: »

Interesting discussion on French radio this morning. The Minister for Agriculture was blaming (amongst others) the Irish for wanting to abolish milk quotas, and telling us how he tried to persuade (all) the other EU member states that it was a bad idea ...

The Germans have reacted (or maybe it was just coincidence) by reporting France to the EU commission for price fixing and unlawful subsidies, i.e., the "save the farmers" package announced last week. :rolleyes:

The French have retaliated by blocking the border crossings with Germany and Spain today to lorries carrying inbound foodstuffs, and raiding foreign artics already in the country. :eek:

The Spanish have responded by warning the French government to bring their farmers under control tout de suite or they'll face legal action and a hefty bill for compensation. :mad:

For good measure, DFDS ferries have said they're pulling out of Calais because they don't like disgruntled unemployed shipworkers using their vessels for target practice, while the EU has told France it's got to get Michael O'Leary to pay back 10m € he was given for "advertising" ...

All that and it's only Monday. It's going to be a fun week!

1. The French definitely didn't want quotas to go. In the north of France where most of the milk is produced, B quota milk is making 21cpl..
Nothing new there.
2.I know nothing about.
3. The French farmers did not 'retaliate' with border blockades...it's been ongoing since the start of the protests.


What the French government have been doing is recognising that they have closed the Russian market to European farmers by rowing in with american geopolitics/hegemony.
There is also the old chestnut of not sourcing french produce for government civil service/schools canteens etc.


Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

frazzledhome wrote: »

Why hasn't it been challenged?

Ans. Because most suppliers see it as a non issue. 15-20 suppliers left without one signed. Speaks volumes about the few including that guy who posted the above ad

The reason the msa has not been challenged is because no one wants to,it is that simple
Only the brave moved (Im not saying the vast majority who didnt arent brave)

There are a lot more than 15 or 20 who went to strathroy, Ive seen the milk statements, the price is the same,sometimes better and no need to be raiding farmers co op pensions to do that
But then Strathroy is not a plc or a multi global unit needing to satisfy the markets in an effort to keep up its ability to fund expansion
Those in strathroy will still get the spin out shares so are still benefiting from glanbia's investor focussed strategy without being whipped on price
For remember one thing it is strathroys board decisions that are stemming GII's milk price fall,not GII itself
Without them,we'd be in 2009
Thats my view
I don't want to move,don't see the urgency to move give or take a cent or two but do disagree with the huge dillution of the co operative spirit in the sale of our milk in the last 30 years
I also think,whilst certainty of supply for GII is a recognisable must,that certainty should have came more from a trustworthy strive to maintain the best possible farm gate price rather than try to stop the farmer having a choice on who to supply
Happy farmers dont move

WheatenBriar wrote: »

The reason the msa has not been challenged is because no one wants to,it is that simple
Only the brave moved (Im not saying the vast majority who didnt arent brave)

There are a lot more than 15 or 20 who went to strathroy, Ive seen the milk statements, the price is the same,sometimes better and no need to be raiding farmers co op pensions to do that
But then Strathroy is not a plc or a multi global unit needing to satisfy the markets in an effort to keep up its ability to fund expansion
Those in strathroy will still get the spin out shares so are still benefiting from glanbia's investor focussed strategy without being whipped on price
For remember one thing it is strathroys board decisions that are stemming GII's milk price fall,not GII itself
Without them,we'd be in 2009
Thats my view
I don't want to move,don't see the urgency to move give or take a cent or two but do disagree with the huge dillution of the co operative spirit in the sale of our milk in the last 30 years
I also think,whilst certainty of supply for GII is a recognisable must,that certainty should have came more from a trustworthy strive to maintain the best possible farm gate price rather than try to stop the farmer having a choice on who to supply
Happy farmers dont move

Strathroy did do us all a favour, no doubt about that. I should say the people who moved did us a favour

Their milk price is the same...no surprise but must be a fair disappointment to those who left. You say they're not whipped on price but yet getting same

More than 15-20 went to Strath, correct but I was talking about those left to sign

We ARE in a 2009 scenario

I have no problem what ever with the coop supporting milk price that's. it's not long since plc shares were <€2 and we poured monies into coop to deal with debt. We now need help

Correct happy farmers don't move and most didn't.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Question re super levy fine ,where dose all that money go .came up somewhere the other day and I hadn't a clue

It didn't come to me anyway, but they should scrap the superlevy, lads are going to be tight enough without having to pay it back next year.

frogloch wrote: »

I think the farmers getting 23c/litre on account of superlevy bill will be more peed off than the farmers getting 26c/litre. We're in a new era now French/ Belgian/ British farmers putting on pressure now big time. Keep the foot down and get it scrapped.

There are still lads out there payin for quota thru bank loans so they wouldn't be in the over quota situation so just because theyre not getting fined doesn't mean they.re not paying for it, myself included

mahoney_j wrote: »

+ 1 in that boat here too .bought over 150 k Ltrs since 09.so I wouldn't be in the **** now

Which was cheaper buy quota or taking the hit on levies?

Blackgrass wrote: »

Which was cheaper buy quota or taking the hit on levies?

If we didn't get hit with tb the year after we purchased it and 12/13 hadn't been so ****e I would have gotten more out of it, still cash flow wise better to buy, just about at 50c