UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST

clever user name · 13-07-2015 02:22PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Just visited Sherdog comments for the first time... Bitter much?

You also have the posters who take their love for Connor to a different level altogether. McGoat, Connor bless...all of that kind of stuff. Actually kinda funny :P

slicus ricus · 13-07-2015 02:24PM

Anyone who has any doubts on whether McGregor's kicks are powerful enough to significantly knock the wind out of Mendes should watch this:

Note that they have Daniel Cormier holding the bags who is a very big and powerful man.

nc19 · 13-07-2015 02:43PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Well, his business (McGregor inc) is certainly turning over millions, maybe 10s of millions soon, which isn't a bad start, no?

And it's 'shrewd'.

i knew i spelt it wrong!!!

i know the business is and will continue to do well but i mean himself as a business man.......i feel he wants to be viewed as more than just a fighter on the world stage.....and why not!

Dick phelan · 13-07-2015 02:53PM

Regarding RTE they simply don't care about combat sports, it's the same with boxing over the last few years, Andy Lee won the world title first Irish man to do so in America since the 30's and it got little or no coverage, Frampton get's very little coverage also. Fact is there is a bias within RTE the same with the BBC in Britain toward certain sports. RTE care about the GAA, Rugby, Golf ect not boxing or MMA regardless of how big the fight is.

nc19 · 13-07-2015 03:02PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Wow, you'd never know you were a McGregor fan. Certainly don't appear to be a long time MMA fan tho. A full camp would not benefit Mendes' wrestling ability, he's already the best in the business at It and he showed that by rag dolling Conor. The full camp would get his cardio up and ready for a fight, the guy was gassed very early. It would also allow both fighters to better prepare for one and other.

I never said Mendes was soo much better than McGregor but you go ahead and put words in my mouth. I never said with a full training camp that Mendes would have won either, I said the fight would have been very different. We saw him cower from McGregor? were we watching the same fight?? He was McGregor's toughest test to date and very nearly had him.

I like discussing MMA but there really is no point in discussing it with people who are so clearly biased.

yes, he cowered away from conor as he dropped to the floor right before conor finished him......its clear as day if you watch it with your conor hating glasses off

yes, i am a conor fan. so what? i like mendes as a guy and a fighter. his fight against aldo last year was epic. he's not on conors level striking wise no more than conor is on his level wrestling wise, fact.

he was defo conors toughest test to date, no doubt! i agreed that a full camp would have benefited chad but only if the fight went to later rounds. conors kicks impacted on chads gassing as much as his lack of camp.

and here we go again, 'youre not a fan of MMA like i am blah blah blah.......'

ive seen various mma events over the last 15 yrs i would say but i have been a fan since the first TUF with Griffen and Bonnar but ****ty internet and limited TV stations over the years has limited my access, im deeply sorry i have not watched as much as you, i feel a little ashamed of myself......still entitled to an opinion though!!!!

you didnt address my comment of conors precision and power and chads inability to take them being the deciding factor in the fight.

as for bias.......glass houses

nc19 · 13-07-2015 03:05PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

People don't seem to understand that what I'm saying is not, a full training camp and Mendes wins. What I'm saying is a full training camp and It's a different fight. Jesus

with all your comments leading up to the fight and your general dislike of conor that comes across on the threads and now your comment that it would be very different its not a stretch for people to presume you meant conor would of lost......

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 03:08PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Max Holloway released a video and mentioned the stomach kicks and how it drains the gas tank. If you're not going to listen to a top fighter, then nothing will convince you.

Wow, not arsed quoting the numerous people who have had a go at me about Conor's kicks, If you just read this quote very carefully you will see that I said the body kicks take the wind out of you...yes I said that yet people are acting as If I didn't? Strange.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

That argument for me doesn't hold much weight either, how many kicks did he land on him to the stomach? Kicks like take the wind out of you, your cardio level defines how quickly he will get It back and recover, better cardio=better recovery from said kicks. Mendes was not at his best for that fight, 2 weeks is nothing but you cannot refuse such a fight. Conor was so grateful for Mendes for taking that fight. He made that pretty apparent.

Dan_Solo · 13-07-2015 03:09PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

Regarding RTE they simply don't care about combat sports, it's the same with boxing over the last few years, Andy Lee won the world title first Irish man to do so in America since the 30's and it got little or no coverage, Frampton get's very little coverage also. Fact is there is a bias within RTE the same with the BBC in Britain toward certain sports. RTE care about the GAA, Rugby, Golf ect not boxing or MMA regardless of how big the fight is.

In fairness I don't think the BBC or ITV are interested either, not for years.

nc19 · 13-07-2015 03:11PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Max Holloway released a video and mentioned the stomach kicks and how it drains the gas tank. If you're not going to listen to a top fighter, then nothing will convince you.

This^^^

ill take the number 5 ranked mans opinion over yours ken if thats ok???

GiftofGab · 13-07-2015 03:13PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

Regarding RTE they simply don't care about combat sports, it's the same with boxing over the last few years, Andy Lee won the world title first Irish man to do so in America since the 30's and it got little or no coverage, Frampton get's very little coverage also. Fact is there is a bias within RTE the same with the BBC in Britain toward certain sports. RTE care about the GAA, Rugby, Golf ect not boxing or MMA regardless of how big the fight is.

RTE don’t care about MMA because they don’t show it.

They showed the Bernard Dunne fights and he got alot of coverage from them.

Regardless, this is one of the biggest achievements in Irish sports and should be getting more press. If he beats Aldo he deserves an open top bus through O’Connell street.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 03:15PM

nc19 wrote: »

yes, he cowered away from conor as he dropped to the floor right before conor finished him......its clear as day if you watch it with your conor hating glasses off

yes, i am a conor fan. so what? i like mendes as a guy and a fighter. his fight against aldo last year was epic. he's not on conors level striking wise no more than conor is on his level wrestling wise, fact.

he was defo conors toughest test to date, no doubt! i agreed that a full camp would have benefited chad but only if the fight went to later rounds. conors kicks impacted on chads gassing as much as his lack of camp.

and here we go again, 'youre not a fan of MMA like i am blah blah blah.......'

ive seen various mma events over the last 15 yrs i would say but i have been a fan since the first TUF with Griffen and Bonnar but ****ty internet and limited TV stations over the years has limited my access, im deeply sorry i have not watched as much as you, i feel a little ashamed of myself......still entitled to an opinion though!!!!

you didnt address my comment of conors precision and power and chads inability to take them being the deciding factor in the fight.

as for bias.......glass houses

Man, you're a piece of work. Getting dropped by a punch is not cowering away? I don't care how long you have watched UFC It Is of no relevance to me and your opinion is looked at in the same way. If McGregor hit me a straight left I would drop and cover up, that does not mean I cowered away from him It means I got knocked the **** out.

Everything else in this comment Is just you agreeing with me. As for your comment on Conor's striking, was It a question I was supposed to address? Conor is accurate, the body blows were a big factor in the fight? Did I ever dispute that?

nc19 wrote: »

with all your comments leading up to the fight and your general dislike of conor that comes across on the threads and now your comment that it would be very different its not a stretch for people to presume you meant conor would of lost......

If you look at all my comments leading up to the fight you would see that I never once belittled McGregor said he was going to lose, said he couldn't fight or anything o the sort. In fact you will find numerous comments of me praising McGregor and after the fight I said I gained more respect for him? What more do you want? Just because I don't drool over him I'm a McGregor hater? Right...

.ak · 13-07-2015 03:25PM

sheehy83 wrote: »

I know we all prefer the head shots looking for a big KO but my God, I do love Conor's spinning kicks to the body.

In particular I loved that one, it landed so sweetly, just under the guard, on the ribs, must've knocked a few breaths out. Mendes tried to laugh it off but ended up using the cage to keep him upright, it was sweet as a nut.

.ak · 13-07-2015 03:32PM

Actually, not wanting to side with anyone here, but Ken if you look at it objectively, Mendes is constantly on the back foot whenever Conor lands a strike. There's even a stage where he runs out of space and is sliding along the cage.

Such a stark difference in body language compared to the Aldo fight. It's weird, it almost looks fake, and I can see why people with some bit of mad imagination think it can be a fix, but when Conor hits people it looks innocent enough but it really must hurt these guys, guys used to taking punishment. Although as Mendes says I think it's more down to the accuracy, McGregor seems to know exactly where to hit people.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 03:37PM

.ak wrote: »

Actually, not wanting to side with anyone here, but Ken if you look at it objectively, Mendes is constantly on the back foot whenever Conor lands a strike. There's even a stage where he runs out of space and is sliding along the cage.

Such a stark difference in body language compared to the Aldo fight. It's weird, it almost looks fake, and I can see why people with some bit of mad imagination think it can be a fix, but when Conor hits people it looks innocent enough but it really must hurt these guys, guys used to taking punishment. Although as Mendes says I think it's more down to the accuracy, McGregor seems to know exactly where to hit people.

Agreed, I thought Mendes did well to keep some distance and put Conor on the defensive with a few strikes but the reach of those legs is extremely hard to avoid. I am in agreement that Conor was superior on the feet, It's just some people choose not to believe that and put words in my mouth.

stephenl15 · 13-07-2015 03:38PM

nc19 wrote: »

yes, he cowered away from conor as he dropped to the floor right before conor finished him......its clear as day if you watch it with your conor hating glasses off

yes, i am a conor fan. so what? i like mendes as a guy and a fighter. his fight against aldo last year was epic. he's not on conors level striking wise no more than conor is on his level wrestling wise, fact.

he was defo conors toughest test to date, no doubt! i agreed that a full camp would have benefited chad but only if the fight went to later rounds. conors kicks impacted on chads gassing as much as his lack of camp.

and here we go again, 'youre not a fan of MMA like i am blah blah blah.......'

ive seen various mma events over the last 15 yrs i would say but i have been a fan since the first TUF with Griffen and Bonnar but ****ty internet and limited TV stations over the years has limited my access, im deeply sorry i have not watched as much as you, i feel a little ashamed of myself......still entitled to an opinion though!!!!

you didnt address my comment of conors precision and power and chads inability to take them being the deciding factor in the fight.

as for bias.......glass houses

Punctuation and capital letters are your friend

dodderangler · 13-07-2015 03:49PM

Hate him or not he got the job done despite looking like he was getting destroyed. Got nervous looking at mendes with him on deck. He is a great take down artist but it was the initial hook that dropped him other than tht I felt mendes was gonna be the survivor

darced · 13-07-2015 03:53PM

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Ash.J.Williams · 13-07-2015 03:54PM

the word i heard a lot pre fight regarding mendes was "EXPLOSIVE" ....when he wants you on the deck there's nothing you can do! He knew he was dead on his feet.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 03:56PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the word i heard a lot pre fight regarding mendes was "EXPLOSIVE" ....when he wants you on the deck there's nothing you can do! He knew he was dead on his feet.

He is explosive on his feet too, make no mistake about It.

Ash.J.Williams · 13-07-2015 03:58PM

darced wrote: »

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What about boxers that f**ing kill with body shots? GGG and Rigondeux

slicus ricus · 13-07-2015 04:08PM

darced wrote: »

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The spinning back kicks he landed would slow down any fighter, regardless of conditioning! You can be in the best condition in the world and get hit damn hard to the ribs and it's gonna hurt and wind you big time and you will have trouble getting your breath back anytime soon. There was one kick in particular that knocked Mendes back into the cage for god sake! Surely the video where Cormier is holding the pads a page back shows how hard those spinning back kicks are, not to mention Max Holloway saying in an interview that those kicks are hard enough to knock the wind out of any fighter and he has taken them so he knows for sure!

darced wrote: »

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Sometimes boxing fights get ended with body shots. Yes, if you keep jabbing someone consistently but without much wind up and velocity generated, it will just wear a guy down. However, if you have knock out power and you catch him clean with a hard hook to the body, you could easily end the fight. Watch Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo as an example of this. Hatton hits him with a ferocious shot to the body and Castillo goes down and can no longer continue.

sonofenoch · 13-07-2015 04:13PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes but the Americans & Brazilians would & there's a hell of a lot more of them than here in Ireland so the viewing figures would still be a lot.

They've fought twice and neither figures came close to last night, McGregor/Aldo would be bigger again so how do you come to this conclusion

Saipanne · 13-07-2015 04:13PM

Did McGregor know he won straight away? It looked like he didn't and was looking to walk back to his corner.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 04:14PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

The spinning back kicks he landed would slow down any fighter, regardless of conditioning! You can be in the best condition in the world and get hit damn hard to the ribs and it's gonna hurt and wind you big time and you will have trouble getting your breath back anytime soon. There was one kick in particular that knocked Mendes back into the cage for god sake! Surely the video where Cormier is holding the pads a page back shows how hard those spinning back kicks are, not to mention Max Holloway saying in an interview that those kicks are hard enough to knock the wind out of any fighter and he has taken them so he knows for sure!

That doesn't mean every kick he throws is devastating like. No doubt he landed 4 or 5 big ones. If look at the stats actually Mendes was far more accurate than McGregor which I found surprising. Jaysus If Halloway said McGregors farts smelt like roses would everyone believe him cause he's a fighter? People going on like It's gospel, everyone knows what the kicks can do.

slicus ricus wrote: »

Sometimes boxing fights get ended with body shots. Yes, if you keep jabbing someone consistently but without much momentum, it will just wear a guy down. However, if you knock out power and you catch him clean with a hard hook to the body, you could easily end the fight. Watch Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo as an example of this. Hatton hits him with a ferocious shot to the body and Castillo goes down and can no longer continue.

Nobody is debating this. Conor hits hard, everyone accepts that. Kidney/Liver shots are devastating even a loose jab or a wild toe could drop someone in the right spot.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 04:14PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Did McGregor know he won straight away? It looked like he didn't and was looking to walk back to his corner.

I think he thought It was the end of the round as well.

Ash.J.Williams · 13-07-2015 04:15PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Did McGregor know he won straight away? It looked like he didn't and was looking to walk back to his corner.

it was stopped

Saipanne · 13-07-2015 04:16PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it was stopped

I know that, but did McGregor initially realize that? He just calmly walked away, at first. No reaction.

darced · 13-07-2015 04:26PM

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slicus ricus · 13-07-2015 04:27PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

That doesn't mean every kick he throws is devastating like. No doubt he landed 4 or 5 big ones.

Agreed, he hit 4 or 5 big ones.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Jaysus If Halloway said McGregors farts smelt like roses would everyone believe him cause he's a fighter? People going on like It's gospel, everyone knows what the kicks can do.

Ah come on man, the guy has taken McGregor's kicks and knows how hard they are. He has also seen the kicks that connected to the body of Mendes. Surely that must be a good enough reference as to whether the kicks were hard enough to wind Mendes and slow him down.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 04:28PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

Agreed, he hit 4 or 5 big ones.

Ah come on man, the guy has taken McGregor's kicks and knows how hard they are. He has also seen the kicks that connected to the body of Mendes. Surely that must be a good enough reference as to whether the kicks were hard enough to wind Mendes and slow him down.

No of course I agree, but everybody knows that, shouldn't take Halloway to convince everyone.

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