UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST

nxbyveromdwjpg · 13-07-2015 01:28PM

.ak wrote: »

Ah I see, cheers.

Actually reminds me, last time I was in Vegas, in the MGM actually, there's a 'beauty/health spa' in there that does IV 'rejuvenations', i.e; if you've been on the beer too long and need a high end hangover cure! Gas stuff.

That would have been great when i woke up Sunday afternoon

bmcc10 · 13-07-2015 01:29PM

Paully D wrote: »

Fingers crossed we get this covered on Joe Duffy today. Could make epic listening! :pac:

What time and station does he be on? It was barbaric joe.

nc19 · 13-07-2015 01:39PM

Ken Shamrock wrote:

Conor also had how long of a training camp? As opposed to Mendes' 2 weeks, with a full training camp that fight would have been completely different. Only deluded If you think otherwise.

Chad had 20 years to perfect his wrestling, which is his only weapon against Conor, another 10 weeks wouldn't make a difference to his wrestling.

I don't care if he had 2 weeks or 2 years he would never be ready for Conors precision and power when it comes to striking.

We saw Brandao, Siver and now Mendes all cower away from him, backs to the cage, and slumping into a ball on the floor solely down to not being able for the punches.

I've no doubt a full camp would have made a difference for mendes in the 3rd or 4th round but if he's soo much better than conor like you say he should have been able to find conor in the 1st or 2nd, camp or no camp.....

Saipanne · 13-07-2015 01:42PM

Just visited Sherdog comments for the first time... Bitter much?

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 01:49PM

nc19 wrote: »

Chad had 20 years to perfect his wrestling, which is his only weapon against Conor, another 10 weeks wouldn't make a difference to his wrestling.

I don't care if he had 2 weeks or 2 years he would never be ready for Conors precision and power when it comes to striking.

We saw Brandao, Siver and now Mendes all cower away from him, backs to the cage, and slumping into a ball on the floor solely down to not being able for the punches.

I've no doubt a full camp would have made a difference for mendes in the 3rd or 4th round but if he's soo much better than conor like you say he should have been able to find conor in the 1st or 2nd, camp or no camp.....

Wow, you'd never know you were a McGregor fan. Certainly don't appear to be a long time MMA fan tho. A full camp would not benefit Mendes' wrestling ability, he's already the best in the business at It and he showed that by rag dolling Conor. The full camp would get his cardio up and ready for a fight, the guy was gassed very early. It would also allow both fighters to better prepare for one and other.

I never said Mendes was soo much better than McGregor but you go ahead and put words in my mouth. I never said with a full training camp that Mendes would have won either, I said the fight would have been very different. We saw him cower from McGregor? were we watching the same fight?? He was McGregor's toughest test to date and very nearly had him.

I like discussing MMA but there really is no point in discussing it with people who are so clearly biased.

Help!!!! · 13-07-2015 01:50PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Conor also had how long of a training camp? As opposed to Mendes' 2 weeks, with a full training camp that fight would have been completely different. Only deluded If you think otherwise.

Connor would have spent the full training camp concentrating on fighting a wrestler rather than only two weeks so its all apples & oranges really.

13-07-2015 01:50PM

no radio, what's on 4 fm??

Dave0301 · 13-07-2015 01:51PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Just visited Sherdog comments for the first time... Bitter much?

Reading sites like Sherdog really make me appreciate the moderation team on Boards.ie

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 01:51PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Connor would have spent the full training camp concentrating on fighting a wrestler rather than only two weeks so its all apples & oranges really.

People don't seem to understand that what I'm saying is not, a full training camp and Mendes wins. What I'm saying is a full training camp and It's a different fight. Jesus

wylie · 13-07-2015 01:52PM

Anybody remember the elbows to mendessss head? What is the rules. I thought you couldn't use the elbow on the top of the head. They looked like they really hurt.....lol

Help!!!! · 13-07-2015 01:53PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

People don't seem to understand that what I'm saying is not, a full training camp and Mendes wins. What I'm saying is a full training camp and It's a different fight. Jesus

Yes & it goes for both fighters. Conor may not get taken down as much as he did either

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 01:55PM

wylie wrote: »

Anybody remember the elbows to mendessss head? What is the rules. I thought you couldn't use the elbow on the top of the head. They looked like they really hurt.....lol

12-6 elbows are illegal but there seems to be a grey area when thrown from the bottom, as they are technically no longer 12-6 elbows :pac: It Is at the ref's discretion anyway and herb seemed fine letting McGregor hit them.

Dave0301 · 13-07-2015 01:55PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Wow, you'd never know you were a McGregor fan. Certainly don't appear to be a long time MMA fan tho. A full camp would not benefit Mendes' wrestling ability, he's already the best in the business at It and he showed that by rag dolling Conor. The full camp would get his cardio up and ready for a fight, the guy was gassed very early. It would also allow both fighters to better prepare for one and other.

The idea that Chad was gassed because he took the fight on short notice doesn't hold any merit considering it was in the first two rounds, maybe if it was the championship rounds your argument would hold weight.

Watching the fight it was clear that Conor's kicks is what cause Chad to gas. It was the same with the Poirior and Siver fight, the kicks were landing and they had to readjust for them.

CurryFlavoured · 13-07-2015 01:56PM

Conors a worthy winner and I believe that he'd have had a good chance of KOing Chad full camp or not after watching the fight, but I also think that anyone who's seen Mendes fight regularly knows he wasn't 100% against Conor. I thought it was pretty obvious if I'm honest.

Help!!!! · 13-07-2015 01:56PM

jjdonegal wrote: »

I disagree to be honest as I was not hoping for Aldo Mendes 3 and I've watched UFC for awhile. Casual fans who follow McGregor would prob have totally switched off.
That's just my opinion and could be miles of the mark :-)
I dont think it would have had a major effect on the McGregor rollercoaster as he is so marketable but I do believe McGregor Aldo is best for the UFC.
Regarding the stoppage; 100% the right call and cannot believe it is still being debated as vocally on social media as it has been.

Yes but the Americans & Brazilians would & there's a hell of a lot more of them than here in Ireland so the viewing figures would still be a lot.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 01:57PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes & it goes for both fighters. Conor may not get taken down as much as he did either

Yes, I have mentioned that already, no need for the defensiveness is Conor get's criticized I will let you know.

maximoose · 13-07-2015 01:59PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

12-6 elbows are illegal but there seems to be a grey are when thrown from the bottom, as they are technically no longer 12-6 elbows :pac: It Is at the ref's discretion anyway and herb seemed fine letting McGregor hit them.

I thought he was complaining that it was the back of the head/crown zone, rather than 12-6s.

Saipanne · 13-07-2015 02:00PM

maximoose wrote: »

I thought he was complaining that it was the back of the head/crown zone, rather than 12-6s.

I think most landed outside the Mohawk zone. A few did seem to be dead centre.

Ken Shamrock · 13-07-2015 02:00PM

Dave0301 wrote: »

The idea that Chad was gassed because he took the fight on short notice doesn't hold any merit considering it was in the first two rounds, maybe if it was the championship rounds your argument would hold weight.

Watching the fight it was clear that Conor's kicks is what cause Chad to gas. It was the same with the Poirior and Siver fight, the kicks were landing and they had to readjust for them.

That argument for me doesn't hold much weight either, how many kicks did he land on him to the stomach? Kicks like take the wind out of you, your cardio level defines how quickly he will get It back and recover, better cardio=better recovery from said kicks. Mendes was not at his best for that fight, 2 weeks is nothing but you cannot refuse such a fight. Conor was so grateful for Mendes for taking that fight. He made that pretty apparent.

13-07-2015 02:03PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Wow, you'd never know you were a McGregor fan. Certainly don't appear to be a long time MMA fan tho. A full camp would not benefit Mendes' wrestling ability, he's already the best in the business at It and he showed that by rag dolling Conor. The full camp would get his cardio up and ready for a fight, the guy was gassed very early. It would also allow both fighters to better prepare for one and other.

I never said Mendes was soo much better than McGregor but you go ahead and put words in my mouth. I never said with a full training camp that Mendes would have won either, I said the fight would have been very different. We saw him cower from McGregor? were we watching the same fight?? He was McGregor's toughest test to date and very nearly had him.

I like discussing MMA but there really is no point in discussing it with people who are so clearly biased.

I agree in some sense ken, look at the pace of mendes in the 2nd aldo fight. but he stood up for most of it, shifting, slipping and throwing overhands and hooks in succession. he didn't spend any of it on the ground cos he couldn't take aldo down. he had a full training camp for clay guida and look at his breathing after one round.

I simply believe this and I'll hang my hat on it. From a seated ringside position in theory, McGregor looks easy according to these guys. when he's in front of you and throwing with such accuracy and you feel how awkward he is and rangey, by then it's too late for you to try and form a strategy. FFS we heard this since brimage, oh wait til he fights a real fighter.. being taken down was a huge hole in his game but look who did it?? best in the business and yet it wasn't quite enuf to neatralise efficient superb striking. plus he took a few on the chin, although not from planted feet but it was nice to see, he can evolve even more.

consider this whomever he fights next right... they have it in their head.. I cannot afford to let this guy get two in at me.. or it's over. and looking at aldo I think that's on his mind. that's a horrible thing to know someone that accurate and heavy handed is coming... after he relaxed he seemed to stop giving his legs up for sweeping by mendes.

My only concern is his knee now.

slicus ricus · 13-07-2015 02:03PM

I reckon that McGregor's knee injury (if it is a torn MCL requiring surgery as rumored) more than balances out Mendes' 2 week camp in terms of who went in with what % of their full ability.

I would be very interested to see how the fight would pan out if it was an injury free McGregor who was in full cardio mode prior to cutting weight having prepared for a full camp for an elite level wrestler vs. a Mendes who has had a full camp to prepare for an elite level striker. My money would be on the same result.

Hopefully we will get more information on the severity of the knee injury Conor had in the lead up to the fight. To beat a top level guy like Mendes while carrying a bad knee injury really is a something special.

Mr. CooL ICE · 13-07-2015 02:07PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

That argument for me doesn't hold much weight either, how many kicks did he land on him to the stomach? Kicks like take the wind out of you, your cardio level defines how quickly he will get It back and recover, better cardio=better recovery from said kicks. Mendes was not at his best for that fight, 2 weeks is nothing but you cannot refuse such a fight. Conor was so grateful for Mendes for taking that fight. He made that pretty apparent.

Max Holloway released a video and mentioned the stomach kicks and how it drains the gas tank. If you're not going to listen to a top fighter, then nothing will convince you.

CurryFlavoured · 13-07-2015 02:09PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Conors a worthy winner and I believe that he'd have had a good chance of KOing Chad full camp or not after watching the fight, but I also think that anyone who's seen Mendes fight regularly knows he wasn't 100% against Conor. I thought it was pretty obvious if I'm honest.

I should say as well that I believe Conor when he says he was carrying injuries. He didnt look 100% to me either.

13-07-2015 02:09PM

there's also talk that mendes had a broken rib after the fight from said kicks. yet to be confirmed. what would people see as convincing?? he pulls mendes head off and throws it into the crowd!!

BaZmO* · 13-07-2015 02:11PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The full camp would get his cardio up and ready for a fight, the guy was gassed very early.

Yeah, it's a mystery why he gassed so early. I wonder what caused it......

Saipanne · 13-07-2015 02:12PM

What I was thinking was that the Mendes fight worked well as a dress rehearsal for the aldo fight, in terms of the pressure involved.

I thought McGregor looked a lot more nervous than normal, at the start, and hopefully this type of experience will stand to him during the next fight.

DoYouEvenLift · 13-07-2015 02:12PM

rusty cole wrote: »

there's also talk that mendes had a broken rib after the fight from said kicks. yet to be confirmed. what would people see as convincing?? he pulls mendes head off and throws it into the crowd!!

...well he did say he was going to butcher him and take his head clean off

Zero-Cool · 13-07-2015 02:15PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Yeah, it's a mystery why he gassed so early. I wonder what caused it......

I know we all prefer the head shots looking for a big KO but my God, I do love Conor's spinning kicks to the body.

BaZmO* · 13-07-2015 02:17PM

Oh and speaking of Sherdog.....

I have seen more than a few people saying that Chad gassed but it wasn't because of Conors kicks. Not only this but people saying that Conor only landed a few kicks...

I noticed he landed a lot during the fight but realised he landed even more when I rewatched the fight and was looking for them.

As sad as it is here are the kicks and when they happened..

Round 1;

4:55 - Spin Kick
4:43 - Front kick
4:33 - Front kick
4:23 - Straight left to body
4:15 - Spin kick to body/head
4:11 - Front kick
3:56 - Front kick
3:45 - Spin kick
3.37 - Roundhouse
3:08 - Spin kick
2:58 - Front kick
2:15 - Front kick
2:00 - Front kick
1:50 - Front kick
1:45 - Punch
1:40 - Roundhouse kick
1:29 - Front kick
1:23 - Front kick

Sub total: 18 Body shots

ROUND 2:

4:55 - Front kick
4:50 - Roundhouse kick
4:30 - Roundhouse kick
4:15 - Front kick
0.37 - Front kick
0.10 - Roundhouse
0.09 - Front kick

Sub Total: 7 Body shots

Total body shots: 25 Body shots

25 Body shots from someone who is a notoriously hard hitter seems like more than enough to make somebody gas.

maximoose · 13-07-2015 02:18PM

I count 5 that landed hard

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