Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Ropaire · 12-07-2015 04:58PM

Brick is chasin well up there but he needs support, maher is hurlin a huge amount of ball too and the extra body wouldn't go astray. We settled well and takin control around the middle but still getting cleaned on our own puckouts, well in it though and hope we ****in drive on.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2015 05:02PM

I understand were under pressure up front because of lack of numbers, but Waterford have had two ok goal chances. Tipp haven't created one yet. There's space up there when we do get on the ball.

nkay1985 · 12-07-2015 05:34PM

That was a disappointing finish. The wide by Devine, followed by the long-range free from Bubbles and then the poor short puck out all in quick succession was the end of it really. Not a bad performance but I think we could have beaten Tipp today.

A quarter final it is.

STIG83 · 12-07-2015 05:40PM

So who Waterford playing in the Quarter Final? I'll accept a Munster Final defeat to win "The One"

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 05:42PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I understand were under pressure up front because of lack of numbers, but Waterford have had two ok goal chances. Tipp haven't created one yet. There's space up there when we do get on the ball.

My commiserations
Yell beat Dublin so the draw has been lucky to ye

But no way will ye beat kk as kk will be ruthless so could win big

As I said many times waterford don't have cohesion score play lot and defence outstanding but imo that all they do

Scoring is the problem and yes will get big score v Dublin but kk will easily adapt waterford and today showed my point waterford still very much off all ireland and In truth despite media saying were all ireland contenders they never were

Shanhahan and Connor outstanding
At least yere still in the championship so all not lost

Great heart and passion and commitment shown be fair and credit waterford and McGrath for that

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 05:43PM

STIG83 wrote: »

So who Waterford playing in the Quarter Final? I'll accept a Munster Final defeat to win "The One"

Dublin with kk then up next and ye won't beat kk imo not this year

chinguetti · 12-07-2015 05:43PM

They never got going in the second half, hit some awful wides and gave up some soft scores. Second half was dull compared to the first. Tipp kept Moran out of it after the break which lessened the impact in the middle of the pitch.

Dublin up in two weeks will be challenging. If they can tweak the system to leave another forward inside or stop driving silly balls into no one or someone in a 1 on 2 or 3 situation, they might come out of Thurles and head to Croker where anything might happen.

Ropaire · 12-07-2015 05:47PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

My commiserations
Yell beat Dublin so the draw has been lucky to ye

But no way will ye beat kk as kk will be ruthless so could win big

As I said many times waterford don't have cohesion score play lot and defence outstanding but imo that all they do

Scoring is the problem and yes will get big score v Dublin but kk will easily adapt waterford and today showed my point waterford still very much off all ireland and In truth despite media saying were all ireland contenders they never were

Shanhahan and Connor outstanding
At least yere still in the championship so all not lost

Great heart and passion and commitment shown be fair and credit waterford and McGrath for that

Didn't hear a peep outa ya til we lost a game, how long habe ya been sitting on that guff? Hopefully that prediction is as accurate as when you said cork wouldn't lose twice to waterford in 5 weeks...

Mountainlad · 12-07-2015 05:48PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

My commiserations
Yell beat Dublin so the draw has been lucky to ye

But no way will ye beat kk as kk will be ruthless so could win big

As I said many times waterford don't have cohesion score play lot and defence outstanding but imo that all they do

Scoring is the problem and yes will get big score v Dublin but kk will easily adapt waterford and today showed my point waterford still very much off all ireland and In truth despite media saying were all ireland contenders they never were

Shanhahan and Connor outstanding
At least yere still in the championship so all not lost

Great heart and passion and commitment shown be fair and credit waterford and McGrath for that

I think a few years under the belt is the difference. Tipp are able to get those exceptional two pass scores that we just can't quite at this level. I thought the standard was good but I missed from about the 40th minute to the 65th.

Duignan is right to be honest I don't think we've lost an awful lot defeat, Tipp will be right up there at the end. We are behind Kilkenny I don't think anyone is under any illusions but it's a very young team and you would feel and hope that the only way is up. Darragh Fives and Paudie Mahony would be big additions of fit. Great to see Darragh back out on the field.

Disappointed, but they performed again today and as long as we get that than we can't be too upset. Last year wasn't acceptable but the team has shown great character to push on from there and hopefully this defeat Spurs them on. Proud Waterford man today all the same.

STIG83 · 12-07-2015 05:52PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Dublin with kk then up next and ye won't beat kk imo not this year

That an attempt to troll?
Write off Waterford at your pearl if they advance to the Semi Final.

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 05:55PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I think a few years under the belt is the difference. Tipp are able to get those exceptional two pass scores that we just can't quite at this level. I thought the standard was good but I missed from about the 40th minute to the 65th.

Duignan is right to be honest I don't think we've lost an awful lot defeat, Tipp will be right up there at the end. We are behind Kilkenny I don't think anyone is under any illusions but it's a very young team and you would feel and hope that the only way is up. Darragh Fives and Paudie Mahony would be big additions of fit. Great to see Darragh back out on the field.

Disappointed, but they performed again today and as long as we get that than we can't be too upset. Last year wasn't acceptable but the team has shown great character to push on from there and hopefully this defeat Spurs them on. Proud Waterford man today all the same.

Well look your are be fair so unlike few yere fans I'm not going rub defeat in here so I'm not going post here after this post but hopefully few waterford lads that looked me out cork thread repeated critsed posts just cause I said waterford were never great as the hype well hopefully they learned lessons today one championship win against cork team missing best player hardly anything get carried away such gloating on other threads

Yell beat Dublin

Ye have made progress under McGrath and this year but still lot to do and next challenge turn defence to attack

Your right ye lost nothing in defeat and should be proud yere hurlers who never gave up

For what it's worth best luck Wednesday in under twenty one game i hope ye win as nice new name on the trophy

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 05:58PM

Ropaire wrote: »

Didn't hear a peep outa ya til we lost a game, how long habe ya been sitting on that guff? Hopefully that prediction is as accurate as when you said cork wouldn't lose twice to waterford in 5 weeks...

Look i didn't say word after Cork game with respect as all it done was create unrest despite my opinion being different

Everyone knows here I don't troll but look cork thread with respect numerous waterford fans coming over there seeking me out

Come on be fair you surely see my point

Anyway I'm gracious in defeat so I'll leave ye too it

Best luck Wednesday under twenty one I'll cheering ye

revisionist · 12-07-2015 05:59PM

Can't help feeling that this a decidedly average Tipperary team and we handed them a huge advantage by playing them in their home venue. An advantage worth 5 or 6 points in my opinion. I also don't believe the guff that if you are good enough the venue does not make a difference,this is patently ridiculous given the stats for home victories in all sports and codes.If as I am led to believe we sold the advantage to them then it is a sad day for hurling in Waterford. A massive error in my view.....:mad:

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 06:00PM

STIG83 wrote: »

That an attempt to troll?
Write off Waterford at your pearl if they advance to the Semi Final.

Yell beat Dublin and we'll but ye won't beat kk as that's this year bridge too far
That's not my view but view many so not me trolling.

culbaire · 12-07-2015 06:41PM

A big mistake to play Tipperary in its home ground. Home ground is worth a couple of points. Waterford will never win an All Ireland with this system. It will bring you so far but no further in SUMMER hurling. It wont accumulate sufficient scores to win against the likes of Kilkenny and Tipperary in the CHAMPIONSHIP. It is farcical to have just 1 or 2 in the Waterford full forward line. There is a lack of scoring power. The talented Tadhg De Burca is wasted covering the full back-line. There is a weakness in the full back-line. It is well known to other counties managers. The weakness in the full back-line has been solved by creating a new one in the full forward line. Then we had the nonsense with team selection. I would quibble with several of the selections as well.
Tipperary knew what to expect. The element of surprise is gone. There is a rigidity and a lack of flexibility in this system. Waterford should be good enough to beat Dublin. i think that is as far as we will go. I know I will be attacked as a traitor. So be it.

revisionist · 12-07-2015 06:47PM

culbaire wrote: »

A big mistake to play Tipperary in its home ground. Home ground is worth a couple of points. Waterford will never win an All Ireland with this system. It will bring you so far but no further in SUMMER hurling. It wont accumulate sufficient scores to win against the likes of Kilkenny and Tipperary in the CHAMPIONSHIP. It is farcical to have just 1 or 2 in the Waterford full forward line. There is a lack of scoring power. The talented Tadhg De Burca is wasted covering the full back-line. There is a weakness in the full back-line. It is well known to other counties managers. The weakness in the full back-line has been solved by creating a new one in the full forward line. Then we had the nonsense with team selection. I would quibble with several of the selections as well.
Tipperary knew what to expect. The element of surprise is gone. There is a rigidity and a lack of flexibility in this system. Waterford should be good enough to beat Dublin. i think that is as far as we will go. I know I will be attacked as a traitor. So be it.

Agree with every point you make specially the one about home advantage. Ludicrous decision which was supported by one and all on a stupid premise.

Jjjjjjjbarry · 12-07-2015 08:02PM

Waterford hit some really terrible wides today. Our effort and work rate all over the field was immense.

Tipp on on their home sod, knew where the goal posts were and it was our shooting and choice of shot that lost it for us. Too many bad wides and poor shot selections.
If we'd got a few of those point attempts it would have been a lot closer game and Tipp would have been under more pressure.

The negativity after one loss all year is sad to see! Tipp were a whisker from winning the All Ireland last year. We made them work HARD for their win today.

Come on the Déise!!!!

We were hardly going to go all year without a loss in fairness

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 08:07PM

culbaire wrote: »

A big mistake to play Tipperary in its home ground. Home ground is worth a couple of points. Waterford will never win an All Ireland with this system. It will bring you so far but no further in SUMMER hurling. It wont accumulate sufficient scores to win against the likes of Kilkenny and Tipperary in the CHAMPIONSHIP. It is farcical to have just 1 or 2 in the Waterford full forward line. There is a lack of scoring power. The talented Tadhg De Burca is wasted covering the full back-line. There is a weakness in the full back-line. It is well known to other counties managers. The weakness in the full back-line has been solved by creating a new one in the full forward line. Then we had the nonsense with team selection. I would quibble with several of the selections as well.
Tipperary knew what to expect. The element of surprise is gone. There is a rigidity and a lack of flexibility in this system. Waterford should be good enough to beat Dublin. i think that is as far as we will go. I know I will be attacked as a traitor. So be it.

Very good post id have to agree with your points

tomwaterford · 12-07-2015 08:13PM

revisionist wrote: »

Agree with every point you make specially the one about home advantage. Ludicrous decision which was supported by one and all on a stupid premise.

If the match was in lim....there wouldn't have been half the Waterford support there...let's be honest here

Bad wides and some poor descision making had a lot more to losing than the venue!
Look tipp tried get under there skin by warming up in front of the Waterford terrace...and to there credit it didn't phase them abit!!

Though tipp are nowhere as good as they think themselves to be....if Waterford were to play them tomorrow...would they play through midfield and get there scores that way...or would they keep landing balls into a full forward line??

culbaire · 12-07-2015 08:19PM

Jjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Waterford hit some really terrible wides today. Our effort and work rate all over the field was immense.

Tipp on on their home sod, knew where the goal posts were and it was our shooting and choice of shot that lost it for us. Too many bad wides and poor shot selections.
If we'd got a few of those point attempts it would have been a lot closer game and Tipp would have been under more pressure.

The negativity after one loss all year is sad to see! Tipp were a whisker from winning the All Ireland last year. We made them work HARD for their win today.

Come on the Déise!!!!

We were hardly going to go all year without a loss in fairness )))

That's the problem in Waterford, It is not negativity to point out glaring weaknesses in this famous system. Persist with this and Waterford might beat Dublin but that is as far as we will go. Tipperary could have been beaten today. In the last 15 minutes Waterford should have gone for broke.
You seriously think do you that Waterford will beat Kilkenny with one or two players in the full forward line? Its time for Waterford to shed this gallant losers nonsense. We have enough good hurlers to have right go at it this year. Provided that some players are not permanent fixtures and will be dropped if not playing well. Conceding home venue to Tipperary was unwise. In counties like Tipperary and Kilkenny supporters will point out weaknesses even in victory. You improve by eradicating your weaknesses not by seeking to smother criticism of the weaknesses. You don't improve by clapping yourself on the back for failures.

Jjjjjjjbarry · 12-07-2015 08:36PM

culbaire wrote: »

That's the problem in Waterford, It is not negativity to point out glaring weaknesses in this famous system. Persist with this and Waterford might beat Dublin but that is as far as we will go. Tipperary could have been beaten today. In the last 15 minutes Waterford should have gone for broke.
You seriously think do you that Waterford will beat Kilkenny with one or two players in the full forward line? Its time for Waterford to shed this gallant losers nonsense. We have enough good hurlers to have right go at it this year. Provided that some players are not permanent fixtures and will be dropped if not playing well. Conceding home venue to Tipperary was unwise. In counties like Tipperary and Kilkenny supporters will point out weaknesses even in victory. You improve by eradicating your weaknesses not by seeking to smother criticism of the weaknesses. You don't improve by clapping yourself on the back for failures.

What I'm saying is we need to take the positives and move on and try and improve for the next day. We've a young team and already progressed massively this year. If some of those point attempts had sailed over and we'd gone on and won it'd be the same. We're still a work in progress. I don't think we've played to our potential in any game this year but I can see the potential and that's why I am positive - not negative just because we lost one game to the team that are recognised as the second best team of the last 8 years.

Dick phelan · 12-07-2015 08:51PM

Glad to see everyone hasn't turned and started calling them ****e or something crazy, Have to say i found more positives then negatives today, Defense really is outstanding De Burca in particular is outstanding but in truth so are the other five at the back. Kevin Moron again great display from him. Two main issues from today was their distribution of the ball and their finishing, Often the likes of SOK and Brick overplayed things rather then just clearing it or in Bricks case taking the score himself, Also played into the corners too much for my liking not enough good ball in front of goal for the forwards. Some of the wides were really poor, taking on some ridiculous shots at times rather then trying to find a man in space like Tipp did.

They lost today but by no means totally outplayed, they matched Tipp in many aspects but like i believed before the game Tipps superior firepower and experience would win out. From what i'v seen of Dublin i think we will beat them, KK will be red hot favorites just like Tipp were today but again i don't see us getting blown away because the defense is so solid. If we beat Dublin that's a SF, a MF place and a League title this year, who would have thought that would be the case this time last year. Hard luck to the lads today but Waterford hurling very much on the up.

Figsy32 · 12-07-2015 09:02PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

Glad to see everyone hasn't turned and started calling them ****e or something crazy, Have to say i found more positives then negatives today, Defense really is outstanding De Burca in particular is outstanding but in truth so are the other five at the back. Kevin Moron again great display from him. Two main issues from today was their distribution of the ball and their finishing, Often the likes of SOK and Brick overplayed things rather then just clearing it or in Bricks case taking the score himself, Also played into the corners too much for my liking not enough good ball in front of goal for the forwards. Some of the wides were really poor, taking on some ridiculous shots at times rather then trying to find a man in space like Tipp did.

They lost today but by no means totally outplayed, they matched Tipp in many aspects but like i believed before the game Tipps superior firepower and experience would win out. From what i'v seen of Dublin i think we will beat them, KK will be red hot favorites just like Tipp were today but again i don't see us getting blown away because the defense is so solid. If we beat Dublin that's a SF, a MF place and a League title this year, who would have thought that would be the case this time last year. Hard luck to the lads today but Waterford hurling very much on the up.

Just an outsiders perspective. As a Cork man I've seen a lot of Waterford this year and you're right when you say the distribution is what really needs to be improved. Lads like O'Keeffe, Gleeson and others need to get the head up a small bit. Especially when your forwards are going to be outnumbered you need to give them a better chance of winning ball. Similarly others like Brick have to try to avoid going down blind alleys.

I said this after the the second Cork game but all you're really short is that and you probably need for one of Bennett, Curran or someone else to develop into a really top class inside forward at this level for you to really take off.

Future's bright for you.

Dick phelan · 12-07-2015 09:05PM

Sometimes fans baffle me, The reality is Tipp were red hot favorites for a reason, what happened today was what most people expected, it's hardly a massive letdown they didn't win a game almost nobody thought they would. They hit some bad wides and distribution wasn't what it could be but all of a sudden some people want us to abandon our style of play because we've lost by 5 points to either the favorites or second favorites for the AI? We're a work in progress not the finished article did people honestly think we would win Munster and go on to win the AI? Wishful thinking in all honesty.

Dick phelan · 12-07-2015 09:06PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Just an outsiders perspective. As a Cork man I've seen a lot of Waterford this year and you're right when you say the distribution is what really needs to be improved. Lads like O'Keeffe, Gleeson and others need to get the head up a small bit. Especially when your forwards are going to be outnumbered you need to give them a better chance of winning ball. Similarly others like Brick have to try to avoid going down blind alleys.

I said this after the the second Cork game but all you're really short is that and you probably need for one of Bennett, Curran or someone else to develop into a really top class inside forward at this level for you to really take off.

Future's bright for you.

yep Tipp have Bubbles and Callanan Waterford don't have a forward of that quality at the moment, plenty of quality young lads who could reach that level though.

O Riain · 12-07-2015 09:29PM

culbaire wrote: »

That's the problem in Waterford, It is not negativity to point out glaring weaknesses in this famous system. Persist with this and Waterford might beat Dublin but that is as far as we will go. Tipperary could have been beaten today. In the last 15 minutes Waterford should have gone for broke.
You seriously think do you that Waterford will beat Kilkenny with one or two players in the full forward line? Its time for Waterford to shed this gallant losers nonsense. We have enough good hurlers to have right go at it this year. Provided that some players are not permanent fixtures and will be dropped if not playing well. Conceding home venue to Tipperary was unwise. In counties like Tipperary and Kilkenny supporters will point out weaknesses even in victory. You improve by eradicating your weaknesses not by seeking to smother criticism of the weaknesses. You don't improve by clapping yourself on the back for failures.

When you listen to the media and label this system as defensive then you are going to come up with replies like you just made. Yes the system involves boys hanging back but also an extremely big part of it, is boys racing forward for support. We are able to put up big scores with this style but today we just did not fire completely. That's not to say we capitulated and got hammered because we didn't. It just didnt go 100% today. But I am now convinced that the "system" is a good one. To lose by 5 points to Tipp in their home grown is proof that the "system" works. In fact it was only the last 5 minutes that they actually pulled away, i will accept that any day of the week.

TGV · 12-07-2015 09:37PM

This is a game we should have won. We lost momentum at half time. Tend to agree with the venue it influences the refs decicsions sometimes and there was one incident where it should have been a Waterford free but he gave it to tipp. Overall 5 point loss to Tipp is probabaly not too bad at this stage of development and a good experience for this team. I do think the occassion got them. They should beat Dublin and then lets see. Finally well done to the backs for keeping their forwards goalless it really looks good for the future.

revisionist · 12-07-2015 09:40PM

God the naivety of it all....we were at no stage a realistic prospect to win this game...the tactics are sterile and not at all progressive ..we gave ..yes gave up! home advantage to a team in desperate need of a win .....packing the defense will always keep the margin down but in terms of winning it wont win you the big stuff not to downgrade the league win but in all seriousness which of the big teams prioritised that ?

TGV · 12-07-2015 09:45PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Yell beat Dublin and we'll but ye won't beat kk as that's this year bridge too far
That's not my view but view many so not me trolling.

You also thought cork would beat us in the league, you should be more concerned with Cork they wont go too much further, an old team with no new talent judging by the u21 game a few weeks ago. Btw I consider cork suppoters some of the best in the sport for sportsmanship a pity some let them down.

Mountainlad · 12-07-2015 09:46PM

Too many wise after the event here. Home advantage irrelevant. The better team won. Well get there eventually.

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