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guby · 05-07-2015 08:21PM

Hi Sanchez83,

Many thanks for the brands and I will look them up. My initial concern about the price of installation is now taking 2nd place to concerns about whether the stove will operate well.

I have had a number of installers look at where I wish to install the stove, not becuase I want to waste their time but becuase almost all of them say that it is ok to have a flue of 2 metres high stick out of the roof but I have had to push them for a follow up quote which is making me think that they are not sure that it is workable to have a flue of that length above the roof tiles. Putting in support ties would be difficult as the roof is a pitched roof which starts at eaves level at ground floor (boundary with neighbour) and it is a pitched roof from there up to the the apex of the roof which is over a 2 storey section. Some of them have concerns that the flue, if unsupported will fall over and also that the draught will not be good. The installer referred to above is willing to do it, and he is an experienced installer for a reputable company.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

kind regards

Guby

padjo5 · 05-07-2015 11:23PM

Some advice?!

Planning to take out existing open fireplace, open it up and pop in a Stovax Stockton 7, or Charnwood c7. Finish with oak mantle. Full flue liner etc. possibly using the stove provider to carry out the works and fitment (reputable dealer near Navan).

Puzzled by how best to finish the back and sides of the opening. We ideally wanted to finish it in a plain flat finish and paint the same colour as rest of the room. Options look like Vermiculite board (possible to get heat proof paint made to specific colour??) or heat proof plaster (again, possible to get suitable paint?).

Also, any recommendations for good source of oak beam mantles?

Thanks folks.

blindside88 · 05-07-2015 11:52PM

Hey guys,

I picked up a Stanley Oisin stove for my sitting room yesterday and am just waiting to get my chimney cleaned before I have it installed. A friend has said that I will need to get a chimney liner but anyone else I have spoken to on it says there is no need that I just need the adapter kit to fit to existing chimney. The house is approx 12 years old and has had an open fire up to this point. If anyone could shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

Thanks

padjo5 · 06-07-2015 09:38AM

blindside88 wrote: »

Hey guys,

I picked up a Stanley Oisin stove for my sitting room yesterday and am just waiting to get my chimney cleaned before I have it installed. A friend has said that I will need to get a chimney liner but anyone else I have spoken to on it says there is no need that I just need the adapter kit to fit to existing chimney. The house is approx 12 years old and has had an open fire up to this point. If anyone could shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Similar to yourself I've received conflicting messages on this. I have been told it's regulation by one guy, but another chap at weekend said thats boll@x!

In essence a liner is to be used if there is any chance that chimney 'pots' have, or will develop cracks or imperfections. Plus it might add an element of efficiency. If safety conscious you'll probably go with it just to be sure!

Hope that helps.

blindside88 · 06-07-2015 10:03AM

padjo5 wrote: »

Similar to yourself I've received conflicting messages on this. I have been told it's regulation by one guy, but another chap at weekend said thats boll@x!

In essence a liner is to be used if there is any chance that chimney 'pots' have, or will develop cracks or imperfections. Plus it might add an element of efficiency. If safety conscious you'll probably go with it just to be sure!

Hope that helps.

Thanks for that, my wife's uncle is installing it so I'll ask him what he reckons and go with his advice on it. I was just wondering was I the only one getting conflicting advice on this.

Thanks again

rpmcs · 06-07-2015 03:53PM

Smoke test should be carried out to check if pots are in good order.
Take draught test as well.
If in doubt ...use liner.
It is not requirement to use liner, but by
Putting adaptor up inside flue,
It's an upside down joint....adaptor/flue joints should be outside flue ...which is not possible in most cases when fitting adaptor in to base of old chimney..
Flexi flue from top to bottom, (if you have to come on here to ask)removes room for error in old flue.

Sanchez83 · 06-07-2015 08:41PM

Pierce Stoves wrote: »

Shane 83, I have no problem with you giving your opinion of different brands of stoves ours included but I do take offence in suggesting that we are False advertising,
We process 100-150 tons of steel per month in our Manufacturing Plant in Wexford and have 20 employees, we buy in our castings currently from Hungry as its more cost effective but we have used China in the past, We have never anywhere claimed that our product is 100% Irish due to the fact that we have to buy in our castings, Further more if you want to be pedantic about it no company can claim to be 100% Irish in the stove market due to the fact that all steel is imported into Ireland. Any of our genuine customers and retailers know this information and some have visited our factory, We specialise in boiler manufacture as we have done for years supplying Stanley/Aga and have a long history in designing quality boilers for the Irish market, If anybody on this forum wants to make up there mind about Pierce Stoves on your recommendation I would prefer that you have the facts about our business before you make misleading comments, Further more if anybody wants to find out more about our products or business please don't hesitate to contact us you will find our number on the website

Are Pierce Stoves owned by Killiane Engineering? A company who bought the non operating Pierce engineering brand which had not operated since 2003...In 2003 it was bought by precision engineering which went bust in 2005.
I am asking as I am not 100% on the answer.

You also process 100-150 tons of steel per month...Are your stoves not made from cast iron? I assume this still is for the engineering business and not Pierce stoves.

I attended your ploughing stand in 2013 and was outright told your product was made in Ireland.Subsequently I attended another Agri show the following May to be told by one of your retailers it was Irish made.
For kicks and giggles I said I would wait until today to reply to this so I could ring some of your retailers today.I picked 5 at random and guess what,all 5 told me they were 100% made in Ireland.Now,are you telling me that they are doing this of their own accord without encouragement from Pierce Stoves...

Let's call a spade a spade.Pierce stoves are an Irish owned company with a good quality brand of stoves manufactured abroad.

Pierce Stoves · 07-07-2015 09:27AM

Shane, this is getting quite rediculous now at this stage, I have manned the tent myself the last 2 years at the ploughing and you would have been told the same as everyone else, it's very easy for you to post comments like "I'm not 100% sure" or " I was told " or "some of your retailer said" which is all hearsay,you have to understand that visitors to this site come on to seek advise not for somebody to pick holes in every stove company in Ireland bar Henley, we specialise in the manufacture of boilers and if Stanley/AGA had not moved there business out of Ireland from 2012 Pierce Stoves would not exist today but they did and in order to save the jobs in our manufacturing plant in Wexford we decided to launch Pierce stoves as we felt we were producing the engine for the Stanley products for so many years we knew we could supply top quality stoves to the market if we got the aesthetics right and we feel we have done that, I will be at the ploughing again this year why don't you drop in and introduce yourself and I'm sure I will be able to put you right on any query you may have, in the meantime I would appreciate you refraining from posting any comments about pierce stoves as they are not factual and are misleading, I look forward to seeing you at the ploughing or if you happen to be in Wexford sometime please don't hesitate to make contact and I'll give you a look around the factory,
Regards
Mark

blindside88 · 07-07-2015 10:17AM

rpmcs wrote: »

Smoke test should be carried out to check if pots are in good order.
Take draught test as well.
If in doubt ...use liner.
It is not requirement to use liner, but by
Putting adaptor up inside flue,
It's an upside down joint....adaptor/flue joints should be outside flue ...which is not possible in most cases when fitting adaptor in to base of old chimney..
Flexi flue from top to bottom, (if you have to come on here to ask)removes room for error in old flue.

Thanks for that. I might just line it to be sure. What kind of a cost is there in the chimney liner?

Thanks

padjo5 · 07-07-2015 01:40PM

padjo5 wrote: »

Some advice?!

Planning to take out existing open fireplace, open it up and pop in a Stovax Stockton 7, or Charnwood c7. Finish with oak mantle. Full flue liner etc. possibly using the stove provider to carry out the works and fitment (reputable dealer near Navan).

Puzzled by how best to finish the back and sides of the opening. We ideally wanted to finish it in a plain flat finish and paint the same colour as rest of the room. Options look like Vermiculite board (possible to get heat proof paint made to specific colour??) or heat proof plaster (again, possible to get suitable paint?).

Also, any recommendations for good source of oak beam mantles?

Thanks folks.

Can anyone give me a steer on this please?

893bet · 07-07-2015 04:54PM

Any one any experience of the Charnwood Tor Pico or the Neo 3p?

frankz · 08-07-2015 07:09PM

Pierce Stoves wrote: »

Shane, this is getting quite rediculous now at this stage, I have manned the tent myself the last 2 years at the ploughing and you would have been told the same as everyone else, it's very easy for you to post comments like "I'm not 100% sure" or " I was told " or "some of your retailer said" which is all hearsay,you have to understand that visitors to this site come on to seek advise not for somebody to pick holes in every stove company in Ireland bar Henley, we specialise in the manufacture of boilers and if Stanley/AGA had not moved there business out of Ireland from 2012 Pierce Stoves would not exist today but they did and in order to save the jobs in our manufacturing plant in Wexford we decided to launch Pierce stoves as we felt we were producing the engine for the Stanley products for so many years we knew we could supply top quality stoves to the market if we got the aesthetics right and we feel we have done that, I will be at the ploughing again this year why don't you drop in and introduce yourself and I'm sure I will be able to put you right on any query you may have, in the meantime I would appreciate you refraining from posting any comments about pierce stoves as they are not factual and are misleading, I look forward to seeing you at the ploughing or if you happen to be in Wexford sometime please don't hesitate to make contact and I'll give you a look around the factory,
Regards
Mark

Its great to get someone from the company on and am sure most here would like to support Irish jobs where possible so kudos for coming on and offering the Pierce side. In terms of your concerns most people don't just take the word of just one internet person rather use it as part of their research.

All that said it is you Mark that have now made me a little wary of your company because you haven't answered any of the questions in Sanchezs post that immediately precedes your post.

Sanchez83 · 08-07-2015 07:43PM

I will hopefully be putting this discussion to bed in a few days time with some concrete evidence.

Sanchez83 · 08-07-2015 07:45PM

893bet wrote: »

Any one any experience of the Charnwood Tor Pico or the Neo 3p?

High end UK brand.They have a great reputation as are high quality and a strong UK brand presence.They are not widespread in Ireland though.
Of course you will probably pay through the nose for them but worth it if you have the cash.

Pierce Stoves · 08-07-2015 09:01PM

frankz wrote: »

Its great to get someone from the company on and am sure most here would like to support Irish jobs where possible so kudos for coming on and offering the Pierce side. In terms of your concerns most people don't just take the word of just one internet person rather use it as part of their research.

All that said it is you Mark that have now made me a little wary of your company because you haven't answered any of the questions in Sanchezs post that immediately precedes your post.

Hi Frankz if you have any questions or queries relating to pierce stoves I have no issue with answering them honestly and truthfully to you or anybody else please don't hesitate to ring the office and ask for me, but I won't get drawn into it on this forum with somebody that's just fishing for information that has a hidden agenda
Regards
Mark

Bedey · 08-07-2015 09:55PM

I am trying to buy an insert non-boiler stove. I have narrowed it down to the Stanley Cara Insert stove and the Henley Achill Insert stove, but cannot decide between them! It's agonising! I am concerned about blackening of the glass and which gives off better heat. Would be delighted to hear from anyone with experience of using either of these stoves. Thanks a mill. (newbie to boards.ie - hope I'm okay to post here?)

pippip · 09-07-2015 09:34AM

Bedey wrote: »

I am trying to buy an insert non-boiler stove. I have narrowed it down to the Stanley Cara Insert stove and the Henley Achill Insert stove, but cannot decide between them! It's agonising! I am concerned about blackening of the glass and which gives off better heat. Would be delighted to hear from anyone with experience of using either of these stoves. Thanks a mill. (newbie to boards.ie - hope I'm okay to post here?)

Both of these concerns would be mostly affected by how good the fuel is you use. The better the fuel the less blackening and more heat (relative to the stoves rating).

Sanchez83 · 09-07-2015 12:22PM

Not my concrete evidence re Pierce.
But a new stockist stating they are Irish made on their Facebook page today.

Heat Revolution
24 mins ·

Good news everyone! We are now the sole distributor of the Pierce Stove in Tullamore. This sought after stove is Irish made in Wexford. Come and visit us now! #asktheexperts
Tanyard, Tullamore, Co. Offaly. 0579 321 748
Monika Makowska likes this.

https://www.facebook.com/heatrevolution.ie/photos/a.253470891514561.1073741828.250072578521059/398503033678012/?type=1&theater

frankz · 09-07-2015 03:21PM

Pierce Stoves wrote: »

Hi Frankz if you have any questions or queries relating to pierce stoves I have no issue with answering them honestly and truthfully to you or anybody else please don't hesitate to ring the office and ask for me, but I won't get drawn into it on this forum with somebody that's just fishing for information that has a hidden agenda
Regards
Mark

Just to be clear I have no hidden agenda - I am an ordinary punter trying to educate myself on stoves so if that is fishing for information then guilty on that one.

In terms of questions your post referred to the amounts of steel that you process but I thought the stoves were cast iron. You might clarify.

I am not trying to be awkward just trying to get the facts straight in my head.

positivenote · 09-07-2015 04:05PM

Hi all,
recently bought a second hand Henley Valentia 5 kW insert stove. Just noticed that the glass has a big crack across the center. No issues with it working as i tested it for a few weeks, when the glass hadn't got the crack. Im wondering where I would get replacement glass for it. Do i have to specifically contact Henley for the glass or can I use non-brand glass to try and save few quid? is there a specific thickness i should be looking for and also can I fit it myself as it looks like I just loosen a few screws holding the glass in place...
all advice welcomed.

k123456 · 09-07-2015 05:47PM

V easy to fit any stove glass, loosen screws, and replace, Careful not to over tighten the screws on the new glass, or you might crack it

Stove glass is expensive , but any glass shop will supply

It is extremely brittle, so handle carefully

Wearb · 09-07-2015 07:07PM

I am not trying to backseat mod, but expressing a personal opinion.

I dislike it when people use a public forum when it suits them, but want to make it private when they don't like it. Keeping it in the public forum helps everyone improve their knowledge. Also -and more importantly- it leaves incorrect advice open to correction.

There are many examples of erroneous advice being corrected on these forums. I have been corrected myself and learned from it.

positivenote · 09-07-2015 09:00PM

k123456 wrote: »

V easy to fit any stove glass, loosen screws, and replace, Careful not to over tighten the screws on the new glass, or you might crack it

Stove glass is expensive , but any glass shop will supply

It is extremely brittle, so handle carefully

any recommendations ? cheers

k123456 · 09-07-2015 09:05PM

Not really good value anywhere, found inchicore glass least expensive

CHOPS01 · 09-07-2015 11:49PM

Hey lads. Any limerick people around that have recently purchased a stove?
Looking to get an insert.Having looked though a few websites I like the look of the Henley Apollo.

Sanchez83 · 10-07-2015 12:12AM

positivenote wrote: »

Hi all,
recently bought a second hand Henley Valentia 5 kW insert stove. Just noticed that the glass has a big crack across the center. No issues with it working as i tested it for a few weeks, when the glass hadn't got the crack. Im wondering where I would get replacement glass for it. Do i have to specifically contact Henley for the glass or can I use non-brand glass to try and save few quid? is there a specific thickness i should be looking for and also can I fit it myself as it looks like I just loosen a few screws holding the glass in place...
all advice welcomed.

Just jump onto the Henley website,pick a stockist near you and just ring for a price.Im sure a stove shop would be cheaper than a glass cutter.

893bet · 10-07-2015 04:20PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

High end UK brand.They have a great reputation as are high quality and a strong UK brand presence.They are not widespread in Ireland though.
Of course you will probably pay through the nose for them but worth it if you have the cash.

I assume you are referring to the charnwood?

They are pricey as hell. North of 2k. Look amazing. One supplier recommended the Neo as an alternative!

893bet · 10-07-2015 05:02PM

Here is the hunter stove we installed a few months back! Took out an old hamco range that was there for years!

Sanchez83 · 10-07-2015 06:00PM

893bet wrote: »

I assume you are referring to the charnwood?

They are pricey as hell. North of 2k. Look amazing. One supplier recommended the Neo as an alternative!

Yes the Charnwood.
I have never heard of Neo I am afraid.

893bet · 10-07-2015 08:20PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Yes the Charnwood.
I have never heard of Neo I am afraid.

Oppops brand name is ACR

http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/ACR-Neo-3P.html

Significantly cheap than the Charnwood, similar design with three sides of glass. (Still very dear, 1700 or so I think).

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