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clappyhappy

Hi, asked in heating and plumbing about thoughts on a gas stove. Was directed to here.

Basically wondering what is the general consensus on the gas. There is no chimney in the room, but an outside wall is there. Think solid fuel stove is out as gable end wall is very high and it would cost too much.

So what if any gas stoves would be recommended, what flue type etc. appreciate all comments. Thank you.

DarkBlonde

I want to get a stove for my sitting room. We were told inset would be best due to wooden surround. I was looking at getting the Boru Fiachra inset but looking on here I'm not so sure anymore? How do people rate Boru stoves?

Has anyone any other recommendations for an inset to fit into a standard 16 by 22 fireplace? Room is 13.5sqm but has double doors to kitchen which I'd also like some heat to go to. So I'm thinking about 7kw.

Also we were quoted for installation of the fiachra by a shop and also by a independent installer the price difference is nearly 300 euro. Would I be safer to have it installed by the shops guys?

keith_d99

DarkBlonde wrote: »

I want to get a stove for my sitting room. We were told inset would be best due to wooden surround. I was looking at getting the Boru Fiachra inset but looking on here I'm not so sure anymore? How do people rate Boru stoves?

Has anyone any other recommendations for an inset to fit into a standard 16 by 22 fireplace? Room is 13.5sqm but has double doors to kitchen which I'd also like some heat to go to. So I'm thinking about 7kw.

Also we were quoted for installation of the fiachra by a shop and also by a independent installer the price difference is nearly 300 euro. Would I be safer to have it installed by the shops guys?

Installing an insert stove in the next couple of weeks.
Stovax Riva 40 5kw

My living room is 25 sqm but doesn't have the double doors into the kitchen.

Are you overpowering that room of yours?

On installation ... Does your chimney require lining? The lining adds a lot to price. Maybe your independent installer is planning on not lining, and the shop guy is?

Sanchez83

Hi Dark Blonde,
Very few stoves can be fitted with a timber surround.
Ask what the certified distance to combustibles are. Each stove varies but normally around 300mm to the sides and 600mm to the top minimum distance between stove and timber.

As for difference in price between installation....
Are you sure you are being quoted for a like for like quality job?
What qualifications does the independent fitter have to ensure the job is done correctly? Is he insured?
Personally I would always recommend to let the shop do the whole job from start to finish if they offer that service.Id there is ever a problem then you only have one port of call.

DarkBlonde

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Hi Dark Blonde,
Very few stoves can be fitted with a timber surround.
Ask what the certified distance to combustibles are. Each stove varies but normally around 300mm to the sides and 600mm to the top minimum distance between stove and timber.

As for difference in price between installation....
Are you sure you are being quoted for a like for like quality job?
What qualifications does the independent fitter have to ensure the job is done correctly? Is he insured?
Personally I would always recommend to let the shop do the whole job from start to finish if they offer that service.Id there is ever a problem then you only have one port of call.

Thanks I will ask about the distance to combustibles tomorrow when I ring. I do remember them saying I'd be better going for a boru because of the wooden surround. Something to do with the steel verses cast iron of other brands.
With the independent guy we were buying all the parts ourselves including the flexi flu liner so all the same material. I'm going to take your advice though and go for the shop installation, it sounds like more sense anyway.
I remember looking at stoves 3 years ago and going through all the research but the wooden surround was causing problems. We probably should just get a new fire place at this rate then I'd have many more options!

Sanchez83

Steel has a higher surface temperature than cast iron so will possibly be less suitable to a wooden surround than the cast iron.
Not logical therefore that the Fiachra was recommended.
Regardless of type of metal or model stove,distance to combustibles is the most important thing for safety.

Calahonda52

You need to comply with Part J
http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,37240,en.pdf
for distances to inflammables etc

Good afternoon all and what a fascinating and illuminating thread!

Having read as much of it as I sensibly can, I'm looking at having the following installed in a 5m x 5m living room, well insulated (BER B2 building) and needing around 3.5 kw if I can do the maths correctly.

Contura i4 classic, 4kw output, mounted in our existing fireplace (see attachments please), replacing the existing cast iron surround and tiles etc with a Castletown cast iron insert by Heat Design. Keeping the wooden fire surround - Kilkenny Living, it's mahogany. The aperture in the wooden fireplace is 900mm x 900mm. We'd have a clearance of 300mm from the top of the stove to the bottom of the wooden mantelpiece and a clearance of 200mm on each side from the stove to the wooden uprights.

New Liner for chimney

I'd love to keep the original fireplace - the depth would give 500 mm from the new insert plate to the back of the fireplace (once all the firebrick has been removed) but the aperture is a bare 400mm, which would accommodate the 390mm of the stove but the facia would overlap the tiles - only by an inch or two but it would look odd, I think.

I'd appreciate any comments on my plans, please, particularly the output of the stove (and the quality of Contura). It seems to me that it's easy to buy a stove that gives a lot of output, and then either be reduced to stripping off or opening doors - or both! Our existing open fire, with all its inefficiencies, can easily become "too much", especially if we burn a bit of coal alongside the logs. I appreciate I won't be burning coal, only wood, in the new stove

Thank you very much in advance

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https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNk6-3RHHwgoqANbH-TXu21VnpnQwePK0Kz77ES

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DarkBlonde

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Steel has a higher surface temperature than cast iron so will possibly be less suitable to a wooden surround than the cast iron.
Not logical therefore that the Fiachra was recommended.
Regardless of type of metal or model stove,distance to combustibles is the most important thing for safety.

Thanks, I actually contacted Boru myself and they said Fiachra wasn't
suitable for wooden surround. We have decided to replace fireplace altogether so that way I have plenty of choice with what to go with.

I'd love to knock out the fireplace and place a freestanding stove back into the space but I reckon it would be costly to get done.

Thanks for your advice.

angelblue1978

Hi there

Just looking for advice. We are renovating a house and looking to install a 6-8kw cassette stove (non boiler, landscape style) . We have been to various suppliers and the following stoves have been recommended;

Aarrow i600 cassette
Heat Design TR8 Insert Stove
Stovax Studio 1
Westfire Uniq 32

We would love to get some feedback on these manufacturers or these stoves. Alternatively could someone recommend another one that would suit our needs.

Many thanks.

angelblue1978

Hi there

Just looking for advice. We are renovating a house and looking to install a 6-8kw cassette stove (non boiler, landscape style) . We have been to various suppliers and the following stoves have been recommended;

Aarrow i600 cassette
Heat Design TR8 Insert Stove
Stovax Studio 1
Westfire Uniq 32
Bodart & Gonay Infire 604

We would love to get some feedback on these manufacturers or these stoves. Alternatively could someone recommend another one that would suit our needs.

Many thanks.

virgo69

I have the Heat Design Insert Stove, took me ages to get it working properly, I even had a replacement installed, when the replacement was installed it still wasn't great so I rang Heat Design themselves, I would give them top marks for customer service, I got a phone call every day for a week for updates on how I was getting on with it. I was led to believe by the installer that I would be roasting having to open doors and windows etc but that never happened. It takes about an hour to get any heat going and probably two to three to get full wack, so you are better lighting it early in the day. I've half forgotten the tips the guy gave me as its been a couple of months since it was used but I know there would be no problem calling them again. If you get one don't expect to be scorcio and if you have the extra few bob go for one recommended by one of the more experienced posters hear.

magicbastarder

we've had a stove installed, a ~5kw inis airc model.

what's the minimum distance above it we'd be able to secure a wooden beam to the wall to replace the mantel from the fireplace (torn out to make way for the stove)?
we were thinking of something rustic, railway sleeper sort of look. happy not to put a finish on it.

the_sonandmoon

Hi all, I am looking to install a 6-10kw, freestanding, multi-fuel, non-boiler stove in my kitchen. I would really like to get one finished in a dark green or blue enamel. Can anyone recommend one that might tick these boxes. We are open to other colours, but I have my heart set on a non-black enamel one

Sanchez83

magicbastarder wrote: »

we've had a stove installed, a ~5kw inis airc model.

what's the minimum distance above it we'd be able to secure a wooden beam to the wall to replace the mantel from the fireplace (torn out to make way for the stove)?
we were thinking of something rustic, railway sleeper sort of look. happy not to put a finish on it.

You would need to contact the manufacturer for the certified distance to combustibles.

Sanchez83

the_sonandmoon wrote: »

Hi all, I am looking to install a 6-10kw, freestanding, multi-fuel, non-boiler stove in my kitchen. I would really like to get one finished in a dark green or blue enamel. Can anyone recommend one that might tick these boxes. We are open to other colours, but I have my heart set on a non-black enamel one

Carron stoves would be your best option.
They would have a large range of enamel colours.

Hi. We're having an inset stove installed in our open fire fireplace, which will necessitate the removal of the existing fireplace and its replacement with a new cast iron insert. Nearly all the ones we've seen are either

• plain black cast iron
• polished cast iron
• plain black with a raised "trim" in polished cast iron

but what we are looking for is a black cast iron insert with a (for perfection, antique) brass detail.

This one looks like it's brass, but it turns out to be polished cast iron

rsz_castletown_flat_plate.jpg

Can anyone help us source what we are after please, which would be a brass one like the attached?? Or any bright ideas how we could get that look

Thanks

Tomjim

I am looking to put in an insert stove in a sitting room, 16 foot x 16.5 foot.
Kingstar Elm seems to be very popular, I understand from a friend who has one they are very efficient and if I open the double doors to kitchen will also help to heat the kitchen as well.

I understand that the stove will cost me €2200 which includes the fitting, provision of new back for mantle piece and a new flue line in the chimney.

Is there any other insert stove which throws out as good of heat but might be a little cheaper?

Hill St Blue

Folks,

I am trying to find replacement hinges for an old stove, and I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.
It is an unusual hinge...3" semi cranked (one side of it is straight, and the other is cranked) and none of the places that I've tried seem to know what I'm talking about! (I've tried a few places in Dublin)
I don't have a make or model unfortunately (no id plate of any sort on it) so I can't contact the manufacturer.

Any input would be appreciated!

HSB

BarryD

Hill St Blue wrote: »

I don't have a make or model unfortunately (no id plate of any sort on it) so I can't contact the manufacturer.

Any input would be appreciated!

HSB

Dare say a photo might help!!

Hill St Blue

BarryD wrote: »

Dare say a photo might help!!

I don't have one on me I'm afraid...the stove is in another location. I was just throwing it out there in case someone knew of a place that might deal in such things...a half cranked hinge isn't something that your normal hardware supplier seems to stock! (...understandably so!)

reubenreuben

Hi all,

Looking to buy an inset stove for room 4.5mx4.5m to fit in place of regular size fireplace. Have a budget of 800 euros. Don't think the chinmney needs the stove pipe as house was bulit in 2005.

So any recomendations out there?

thanks

USER X

Hello,
I currently have a 45KW non condensing oil boiler and have recently divided the system up into 4 zones (Main living room, downstairs, upstairs and hot water cylinder). I would like to add a boiler stove to the system and thinking we would need a 30KW stove (7KW to room and 23KW to heating/water). When the stove is active the oil boiler would need to be bypassed/disconnected and two zones would be active (Hot water and downstairs).
Any recommendations on stoves and/or how to connect the boiler stove into the existing system? Have looked at and spoken to Systemlink about the Heat Genie but they say it only works with systems up to 30KW and its only available in a 3/4" pipework - my heating system is in 1".

blowin3

USER X wrote: »

Hello,
I currently have a 45KW non condensing oil boiler and have recently divided the system up into 4 zones (Main living room, downstairs, upstairs and hot water cylinder). I would like to add a boiler stove to the system and thinking we would need a 30KW stove (7KW to room and 23KW to heating/water). When the stove is active the oil boiler would need to be bypassed/disconnected and two zones would be active (Hot water and downstairs).
Any recommendations on stoves and/or how to connect the boiler stove into the existing system? Have looked at and spoken to Systemlink about the Heat Genie but they say it only works with systems up to 30KW and its only available in a 3/4" pipework - my heating system is in 1".

I have put a system link in with a stove with back boiler and condenser boiler. It works great but the electrician had lots of trouble sorting out the system link and ended up putting an extra stat upstairs to control the back boiler. Its costly to instal but very efficient once up and running.

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KathleenS

I am considering fitting a 'central heating stove' and would welcome comments on either of aboveboard or indeed recommendation on other brand - I need one that can heat up to 10 radiators plus keep sitting room cosy
Thanks

r3nu4l

Incredible thread! Highly informative.

I have a few decisions to make and a few challenges to overcome in selecting a stove, hopefully someone here can help?

We are almost 100% sure that we want a Boru 900i or similar landscape insert/cassette stove.

However, I believe that because this stove has turbines/fans inside that it needs a mains electrical feed.

• Does this mean that if for some reason, if we end up without electricity over the winter, we cannot use the stove?

One of our challenges is that the current, existing fireplace is very narrow so we'll need to dig back and widen it. The house is timber-framed but it's a block chimney (not blue block). Does this matter? What challenges do people see in that scenario?

The house was built in 2007 and has clay liner in the flue...do we need other flue liner?

All advice appreciated.

captbarnacles

We got a boiler stove in a few years back. It is so efficient to use heating and water costing us less than 9.00 euros per week so far this year and we havent used oil at all this year although it was a very mild winter. I couldnt recommend it enough. We live in a 4 bed bungalow with 10 rads (some doubles) running off it.

frankz

captbarnacles wrote: »

We got a boiler stove in a few years back. It is so efficient to use heating and water costing us less than 9.00 euros per week so far this year and we havent used oil at all this year although it was a very mild winter. I couldnt recommend it enough. We live in a 4 bed bungalow with 10 rads (some doubles) running off it.

Sounds good, could you give more details:

- type of stove and output in kw
- what fuel are you using
- is the €9 summer price/winter price/average price.

Thanks.

Just would help with decision making to hear from people like you that have real experience over a few winters.

BarryD

captbarnacles wrote: »

We got a boiler stove in a few years back. It is so efficient to use heating and water costing us less than 9.00 euros per week so far this year and we havent used oil at all this year although it was a very mild winter. I couldnt recommend it enough. We live in a 4 bed bungalow with 10 rads (some doubles) running off it.

Surely a mistake - couldn't possibly be €9.00 a week, unless you are processing and burning plenty of your own 'free' firewood or turf?

A 40kg bag of coal is running near €20 and we'd go through at least one a week and that's mixing it with firewood.

As a guide to others and I've mentioned this before, we have a Waterford Erin stove with boiler heating 10+ single panel rads of various sizes plus water. Plus a smaller Waterford Shire (non boiler) in largish sitting room. We'd on average daily burn a scuttle of Country Blend, a half of anthracite plus a good armful of firewood. Less on milder days in spring/ autumn and more when it's bitter cold and so on. Works out at about 30 bags coal, 15 anthracite and a small shed of firewood per year. Typically less than €1000 but that depends on how and if you cost the time and labour to process firewood. House is two storey, about 150 sq metres, mixture of new and old.