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Meath GAA discussion thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    dave13 wrote: »
    Away to Tyrone!

    A mercy killing


  • Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Funny enough i think we might win that. Always better when underdogs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Sorry Tyrone have home advantage. That makes it very hard


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    I'll no doubt make the trip up. Dave's heroin comparison is bang on the money.
    I'm actually glad we got Tyrone away. No point in getting a weaker team and possibly scraping through a round or two. Either the players can use yesterday's game as motivation or they can wallow in disappointment and roll over against Tyrone. Think the only two players who can hold their heads high after yesterday were Eamonn and Brian McMahon.

    Extremely disappointed with Paddy. I thought after the Roscommon game in which he effectively cost us promotion he would have been working nonstop on his short kickouts. But he gifted Westmeath 1-1 (and didn't exactly cover himself in glory for the other two goals) and then compounded it with that plain nasty incident at the end. Having said that, he definitely doesn't deserve the abuse he's been getting on Twitter.

    Think the decision to leave Keogan at half back was one of the things that cost us. McEntee is not a corner back and he was roasted for the last 1-2 that Westmeath got if I remember correctly. Had Keogan been in his position I don't think he would have been beaten so easily. I'd also question the decisions to take Burke and Tormey off when they were doing OK.

    Just so many things wrong with yesterday it would be impossible to put them all down in writing. Also impossible to correct them in less than two weeks in my opinion. Cavanagh loves playing against us and after conceding 6-31 against two average teams I can see him having a field day against us in Omagh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Probably the best outcome. If we beat westmeath we'd get annilated by the dubs and probably not be up for the qualifier the next week or two after.

    If we somehow beat Tyrone, who we can but lack the know how mainly because of inept management, then we'll have beaten what would feel like a big gun away and the buzz would be back.

    Meaning a round 3 match we could win but we everyone back on board. Win that you're flying high coming into round 4 instead of going in on a damp squid.

    That's how you go on exciting runs and it all comes down to how much the panel want it. Problem is I'd say some just want it all to end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Well done to Westmeath, they never threw in the towel and fully deserved their victory, I was actually happy for them even though I was bitterly disappointed, it must have been a great day to be a Westmeath fan, so all the best against the Dubs.

    As for us, we were excellent in the first half, played some of the best football we've played all year and then collapsed in the last 20 mins of the second half, it was complete nightmare, shades of Wexford 08.

    Now I hold both the players and manager equally responsible, it just wasn't good enough from either, I'd question management over some of the substitutions made, especially Rooney, why take off our best fielder unless he had to come off, that was a crazy decision, also our lack of fitness, that is a real worry!

    The players have no excuse here either, why did they panic and fall apart so easily, they're like the anti-Meath of old, the decision making from Harnan and Newman to try and work goals was insane when they should have just popped it over the bar and the defense is a joke at the minute.

    Finally I don't mind having to go up to Omagh, we might as well play a good team now, you can't dodge them forever and this gives the players and management a chance to say, look we are better than this, if they can do it great, if they fade away then some lads will have to take a long hard look at themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭closeline


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    Probably the best outcome. If we beat westmeath we'd get annilated by the dubs and probably not be up for the qualifier the next week or two after.

    If we somehow beat Tyrone, who we can but lack the know how mainly because of inept management, then we'll have beaten what would feel like a big gun away and the buzz would be back.

    Meaning a round 3 match we could win but we everyone back on board. Win that you're flying high coming into round 4 instead of going in on a damp squid.

    That's how you go on exciting runs and it all comes down to how much the panel want it. Problem is I'd say some just want it all to end.

    It's the manner of the defeat that will do the most damage than actually avoiding a hammering by Dublin in the Leinster Final. If Meath lost yesterday in a game that was close throughout they would have much better hope in the qualifiers. A total collapse however, they will have huge doubts about themselves now and this is probably the worst draw they could have got.

    It is hard to see them turning it around in a couple of weeks to go up to Omagh and beat Tyrone.

    What is the story with Shane O'Rourke? Still injured?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    The decision making was atrocious alright. Had Harnan taken his point I think we could have gotten a draw. Also Burke had the entire goal to aim at in the first half yet passed to McMahon in a worse position.

    This has become a ridiculously common thing over the last season. In the league, we were 7 up against an awful Laois side and managed to scrape a draw in the last moment. Last year's semi final against Kildare was almost identical to yesterday's game only Kildare didn't have the quality to pull themselves all the way back. I've been a defender of MOD for a good while but I can't see any way he can stay on unless we produce a miraculous run in the qualifiers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    closeline wrote: »
    It's the manner of the defeat that will do the most damage than actually avoiding a hammering by Dublin in the Leinster Final. If Meath lost yesterday in a game that was close throughout they would have much better hope in the qualifiers. A total collapse however, they will have huge doubts about themselves now and this is probably the worst draw they could have got.

    It is hard to see them turning it around in a couple of weeks to go up to Omagh and beat Tyrone.

    What is the story with Shane O'Rourke? Still injured?

    It depends how they learn from it. Positives to be taken. If we were fitter and more motivated we would have continued steam rolling them.

    If we didn't kick a bunch of wides in the first half we'd have been even further ahead.

    If our forwards take their points when we are either a point up or a point down near the death we'll not lose.

    If the keeper gets his head right we'll do a lot better.

    A lot of things to work on and improve.

    Or they can just give up and go out with a whimper feeling sorry for themselves.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Pat_custard


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    It depends how they learn from it. Positives to be taken. If we were fitter and more motivated we would have continued steam rolling them.

    If we didn't kick a bunch of wides in the first half we'd have been even further ahead.

    If our forwards take their points when we are either a point up or a point down near the death we'll not lose.

    If the keeper gets his head right we'll do a lot better.

    A lot of things to work on and improve.

    Or they can just give up and go out with a whimper feeling sorry for themselves.

    A lot of Ifs there RoyalCelt.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Time of Tyrone game still not announced. It being the eve of the 12th ain't exactly great timing. Talk of it being moved due to parades on the Saturday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Time of Tyrone game still not announced. It being the eve of the 12th ain't exactly great timing. Talk of it being moved due to parades on the Saturday.

    Is there a chance it might be moved because of the 12th? To clones or breffni perhaps?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Is there a chance it might be moved because of the 12th? To clones or breffni perhaps?
    Well the Aughnacloy parade is taking place the evening of the 11th which would cause big delays for any Meath fans travelling. Can see it being moved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    Well what the story with this fixture, why is taking so long to announce a venue and time?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    It's ridiculous at this stage. God forbid people want to make plans for the rest of the weekend.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Supposedly the announcement is to be on Monday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    It's ridiculous at this stage. God forbid people want to make plans for the rest of the weekend.

    Only just dawned on me it hasn't been announced, have the other games been?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭HighKing33


    Yeah, have to agree with most of the points being made here. I was very critical of O'Dowd during the league but last Sunday I felt the players should shoulder most of the blame, they don't seem to have the maturity or the ruthlessness to close teams down. I watched the minor game as well and this seems to be a cultural thing in Meath, a lot of lads with inflated egos who don't seem to think they have any defensive responsibilities. Even Sean Boylan when he retired made the point that lads can't be going around with attitudes just because they're county players.

    Now, maybe Mick O'Dowd doesn't help matters by being perhaps too nice, by gambling on youngsters in crucial positions and so on. The similarities with the Laois game were uncanny. Had he learned from this he could have made timely substitutions when he saw performance levels dropping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    Talking to my father earlier he'd heard on the grapvine the PSNI want it moved for obvious reasons but Tyrone are kicking up. He'd heard rumour of a double header in Cavan with Armagh and Wexford. I don't blame Tyrone for not wanting a move if it was a role reversal I'd be unhappy!!

    Just back from watching ourselves against Dunshaughlin in the league. Fairly impressed with Dunshaughlin to be honest they moved the full forward back to free up Caoimhin King as the sweeper and counter attacked at pace. They were helped by three poor kick outs in a row giving them three points to put them six up and they just packed it out then. We lost by 8 in the end but it should've been closer. Given it's the first club match I've seen this year I'm in no position to judge but the effort Dunshaughlin put and the movement was impressive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    When is this venue going to be announced. Fecking stupid not just for supporters but the teams have to plan transport on the day too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Felexicon wrote: »
    When is this venue going to be announced. Fecking stupid not just for supporters but the teams have to plan transport on the day too.

    Presumably today. The round 3A qualifiers are next weekend also so I'd imagine all will be announced at once


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭Mauser 308


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Presumably today. The round 3A qualifiers are next weekend also so I'd imagine all will be announced at once
    Any ideas what time it will be announced?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Mauser 308 wrote: »
    Any ideas what time it will be announced?

    It will be around 2 according to Meath GAA Twitter


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Saturday at 3pm in Omagh it's been confirmed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭Mauser 308


    Saturday at 3pm in Omagh it's been confirmed.
    Ah balls.....

    How do you guys honestly see this going?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Shane732


    Saturday at 3pm in Omagh it's been confirmed.

    It's not televised either - brilliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Mauser 308 wrote: »
    Ah balls.....

    How do you guys honestly see this going?

    If we play for 70 mins we will win imo, but if the lads have mentally thrown in the towel after last weekend then not a hope


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    I'd say we'll either put in the performance of the season and possibly pull off a result or we'll surrender meekly and lose by double figures.

    As Hibbeler said, if we play for 70 minutes, we are well able to beat them. We should have beaten them 2 years ago if it wasn't for an incredibly fussy referee. And I feel they have regressed since then.
    The only player of theirs that worries me is Cavanagh of course. He's torn us a new one both times he's played us in the championship. Stop him, and we should win. Give him free reign of Healy Park and we'll be tonked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    If the lads can't get up for a performance on Saturday they should just jack it in, they owe it to themselves more than anything to put a display on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    Anyone any experience of Omagh? How long we talking drive wise, parking, tickets etc. is there many towns en route where traffic will be an issue?

    honestly believe (and everyone I know thinks I'm daft) that we can beat these on Saturday. Be great to see a Meath performance of the ages, come out like dogs after all the recent abuse etc and put Tyrone to the sword


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Obrieski wrote: »
    Anyone any experience of Omagh? How long we talking drive wise, parking, tickets etc. is there many towns en route where traffic will be an issue?

    If taking the N2/A5 (should be the quickest), you need to pass through Emyvale and Aughnacloy, and possibly Ardee - depending on whereabouts you are coming from.

    Carrickmacross and Castleblaney are fully bypassed, Monaghan is ring road. Neither Emyvale or Aughnacloy should be that bad, and it's not a bad run for ye.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Obrieski wrote: »
    Anyone any experience of Omagh? How long we talking drive wise, parking, tickets etc. is there many towns en route where traffic will be an issue?

    honestly believe (and everyone I know thinks I'm daft) that we can beat these on Saturday. Be great to see a Meath performance of the ages, come out like dogs after all the recent abuse etc and put Tyrone to the sword
    Coming from Ratoath? Probably 2.5 hours. N2 would be the way to go. Ardee may be busy if you go through Slane/Collon but you could bypass it if you go the M1.
    I think there's a parade in Aughnacloy that evening so maybe don't hang around after the game for too long.
    I was only there for a league game and the parking was OK. Not sure what it would be like on championship day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    Google maps put the quickest route from Stamullen as the M1 up to Ardee anyway, I've never been up before myself so I'm relying on it for navigation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Going to avail of that bus Club na Mi put on for away days. Dont fancy parking my IRL number plate around an anti-Irish festival.

    Any news on injuries, I'm sure theres some fresh ones from the last match. Standard for Meath these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Ardee shouldn't be too bad on a Saturday afternoon though obviously I'd leave a bit of time in case. If you come up the m1 and cut across the n33 you avoid Ardee anyway. Like was mentioned above Carrick and Blayney are bypassed and I don't think there's anywhere else there might be an issue.

    So do we think there will be many changes on the team for Saturday? I'm assuming McHugh will come into goals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    meath are a bogey team for tyrone... meath will win this one.... wouldnt surprise me either if it was mickey harte's last game in charge of tyrone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Bogey Team? We've played them 3 times in the history of the championship. We've won twice while they've won once. Even if you include the league, we lost and drew our last 2 games against them.

    That said I hope you're right and we beat them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    We suffered a massive defeat in Omagh in 2012 (I think).


  • Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    Coming from Ratoath? Probably 2.5 hours. N2 would be the way to go. Ardee may be busy if you go through Slane/Collon but you could bypass it if you go the M1.
    I think there's a parade in Aughnacloy that evening so maybe don't hang around after the game for too long.
    I was only there for a league game and the parking was OK. Not sure what it would be like on championship day.

    From Ratoath, yes. Sounds as though once get by Ardee it shouldn't be too bad. Played games in Ardee in my time so traffic could be rough there but I suppose the usual 'give yourself enough time and it should be fine' rules apply. Remember travelling to breffni park for a league final a few years ago and traffic was back down the N3 for miles, was a nightmare.

    Will Meath people travel I wonder? A lot I'm talking to won't due to many reasons. What kind of capacity has Omagh got?

    I imagine with regards the team there won't be too many changes. I assume injuries won't have cleared up in such short time for Gillespie etc. McHugh will start in goals with rumours that Brendan Murphy will be sub keeper


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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Brendan Murphy is to be the sub keeper for Saturday coming out of retirement. Suppose they didn't think there was a need to call up another goalkeeper to sit on the bench for one game. I presume if Meath win POR will just slot back in to the No 1 slot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    Two things on the keeper situation, 1. is Paddy not out for a month? and 2. where is the young lad that was knocking around during the O'Byrne cup, I think he damaged himself in the warm up against Longford, surely it would be more relevant to bring a lad in as third choice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Is there no other Keeper in the county good enough to replace O'Rourke instead of Murphy coming out of retirement to sit on the bench


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Hibbeler


    Is there no other Keeper in the county good enough to replace O'Rourke instead of Murphy coming out of retirement to sit on the bench

    Touch wood he won't be needed but I agree, surely they could have given the under 21 keeper a call up for example?

    Anyway it's rare we get to see the sub-keeper so probably won't have any bearing on Saturday. Does anyone know what our injury list is currently like? will Gillespie or Shane O'Rourke be fit? Do we think there will be many changes on the team that played Westmeath?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭mushykeogh


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Shane O'Rourke be fit?
    Didn't he get a few minutes of action just recently? Certainly wouldn't be fit to start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Hibbeler wrote: »
    Touch wood he won't be needed but I agree, surely they could have given the under 21 keeper a call up for example?

    Yeah he probably wont be needed, but if i were the under 21 keeper, with o'rourke suspended, i would be saying to myself, i should get a call up now, and show what i can do at training, now i'd be asking whats the point.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭HighKing33


    O'Dowd has shown remarkable fate to many members of this team, despite many of them repeatedly putting in performances for only one half. He has to show he has the cajones to make changes. I would be disappointed if we didn't see at least four changes from last week's team, not including the keeper.

    Having said that, the performance in the first half was for at least 25 minutes really impressive stuff, as good as any team could put on. If we just get an hour of that we could make waves, we're certainly good enough to make the last eight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    HighKing33 wrote: »
    O'Dowd has shown remarkable fate to many members of this team, despite many of them repeatedly putting in performances for only one half. He has to show he has the cajones to make changes. I would be disappointed if we didn't see at least four changes from last week's team, not including the keeper.

    Having said that, the performance in the first half was for at least 25 minutes really impressive stuff, as good as any team could put on. If we just get an hour of that we could make waves, we're certainly good enough to make the last eight.

    I agree, tbh I am very surprised at how little MOD has freshened things up.

    Did he make any changes to the squad post league? There are a few players on the panel that he seems to have completely lost faith in and wont use them. He continues to use Joey Wallace as a sub in circumstances where its not appropriate. What about keoghan at chb? Will he keep him there, we have conceded 6 goals with v poor defending in recent games. Westmeath and Wicklow walked through at times.

    Chris O'Connor and Alan Douglas were probably the two best players on the junior team, I am surprised that even those two didn't get a call up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭HighKing33


    True but Keogan was magnificent at 6 the last day and in that free role he's key to our pressure game at midfield. I still think Harnan or maybe Davy Dalton could do the same job and offer better distribution. Still, he can't be blamed for the goals. Also Paddy O'Rourke was maybe our best player during the first half of the season.

    Our midfield (and I'm including much of the so-called middle 8 here) switches off during games so our centre can be left vulnerable. I would be looking at changes here.

    As for Chris O'Connor, I'm a huge fan and while he does seem to have recovered his best form is he any better than Nicky Judge or McEntee?

    If Newman comes back in we can reshuffle our midfield. Bring Wallace out to wing-half and slot Biggy into centre-half with Menton moving to centrefield. McGill can play corner-back assuming he starts. Kevin Reilly should be marshalling the square. Dalton can start on the wing. Mick needs to shake things up. He would have known that Westmeath were lethal during the final quarter. We need cool heads and staying power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Meath Centre Forward


    O'Rourke was injured for a period between the League and the Wicklow game. I'd have thought there'd have been at least a third goalie involved even during this time for training games but it seems not.

    O'Dowd runs a very closed squad from the start of the League onwards. As far as I can recall, he rarely brings in players after this time bar the odd u21 showing good form. It makes some kind of sense I suppose as you can imagine a player coming in would be a fair bit behind on preparation, etc.

    I would agree in a way, there should be several changes from the last day. The trouble is that team had 5 changes from the Wicklow game so the management are running short on options. Maybe a few positional changes and take a chance on Damian Carroll who hasn't got many opportunities this year.

    A lot of Meath players are playing below their best. I actually thought Menton wasn't great against Westmeath. Whatever hand injury he had, it must still be hanging over him. Keogan and Tobin have also looked like they are lacking any kind of sharpness. Tormey the same. These are the guys Micko placed his faith in to lead the team forward and a mixture of bad judgement by him and the players letting him down have contributed to where we are. We know they are capable of better so hopefully they can step up on the two games so far. They'll have to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    I think since match day panels were trimmed to 26, a 3rd keeper seems a bit superfluous.


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