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therealmccoy · 04-06-2015 11:22AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

Hi guys, I've bought a stratford eb20 and a heat genie, I'm now looking for an installer. Its not as easy as i thought can anyone recommend a good plumber with experience installing boiler stoves, i phoned a few different plumbers and some of them had never heard of a heat genie so that was a red flag. thanks

Where in the country are you?

olestoepoke · 04-06-2015 01:11PM

north dublin

Bruthal · 04-06-2015 01:12PM

olestoepoke wrote: »

Hi guys, I've bought a stratford eb20 and a heat genie, I'm now looking for an installer. Its not as easy as i thought can anyone recommend a good plumber with experience installing boiler stoves, i phoned a few different plumbers and some of them had never heard of a heat genie so that was a red flag. thanks

I used a heat genie on my own stove when I installed it recently. I still have to complete the wiring to lock out the gas boiler when stove is on, but the heat genie is great, although in reality, heat exchanging is not a complex matter really. But at least you will know it works great.

olestoepoke · 04-06-2015 01:22PM

Bruthal wrote: »

I used a heat genie on my own stove when I installed it recently. I still have to complete the wiring to lock out the gas boiler when stove is on, but the heat genie is great, although in reality, heat exchanging is not a complex matter really. But at least you will know it works great.

Thank you

quazzy · 04-06-2015 01:32PM

Hi there,

I was looking into getting a stove in the house.

Not sure about freestanding stove or insert one.

One shop mentioned that if you get a insert stove (and because I have a wooden surround) I could only get a 4kW stove.

Is this true for insert stoves?

And secondly, if I opted for a freestanding stove does the same restriction hold true w.r.t. having the wooden surround.

Thanks in advance,

positivenote · 04-06-2015 08:58PM

Hi All,
just got Henley Valentia 5kW insert stove, having never had or lived in a house with a fire (open or stove) before can anyone let me know what else I'll need to get, utensils wise, and what wood/coal to get and how where to store etc... total newbie with fire so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

R0C · 22-06-2015 08:59AM

Looking at buying a Stanley Donard Solid Fuel range new to fit in a kitchen, hoping to heat radiators and have hot water and occasional cooking too.

Would like to hear from someone who already has one of these fitted.
I have endless supply of turf and sticks, so would be running it on these, but I note the firebox is quite small - is this an issue for anyone?
We cut the sticks ourselves so can cut them smaller, but it doesn't look like there's room to fit a lot of fuel into it. Is it a matter of filling it very regularly or is it incredibly efficient?

Officially they say the Donards can heat 'Up to 12' radiators but I've seen people quote both higher and lower - how many (single? double?) are people realistically heating from the range?

What about the equivalent Rayburn model, is there a larger firebox in that?

Any info appreciated..

blindside88 · 26-06-2015 04:50PM

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me whether or not I will need to change this fireplace if I want to put in a 5kw/6kw stove. I've been told I may have to change it as it has a wooden surround.

Thanks in advance

Blindside

Bruthal · 26-06-2015 05:44PM

blindside88 wrote: »

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me whether or not I will need to change this fireplace if I want to put in a 5kw/6kw stove. I've been told I may have to change it as it has a wooden surround.

Thanks in advance

Blindside

I think insert stoves can be got to fit straight into them fireplaces without removing any of the fireplace surround.

Thats was the same type fireplace I had before putting in a free standing room heating stove. The existing wood surround would have been ok with it. I since removed that stove and replaced with a boiler one, completely opening out the fireplace, removing the flue gather (6.5kw room heat stove was ok with gather staying), and original wood surround gone.

First image is with room heater. I had to widen original fireplace a little to take it. Then changed plans and went for a boiler stove, requiring further widening, removing the flue gather, and fitting a lintel. Still not totally finished, but close. A lot of work in it, and its linked into the gas heating system as well.

Installation progress photos here

blindside88 · 26-06-2015 05:48PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Thats was the same type fireplace I had before putting in a room heating stove. The existing wood surround would have been ok with it. I since removed that stove and replaced with a boiler one, completely opening out the fireplace, removing the flue gather (6.5kw room heat stove was ok with gather staying), and original wood surround gone.

First image is with room heater. I had to widen original fireplace a little to take it. Then changed plans and went for a boiler stove, requiring further widening, removing the flue gather, and fitting a lintel. Still not totally finished, but close. A lot of work in it, and its linked into the gas heating system as well.

Installation progress photos here

Thanks very much for that, very informative. I was hoping to just put in the freestanding stove without too much extra work/cost needed. The wife has other plans and would like a new fireplace as well

Sanchez83 · 26-06-2015 07:32PM

Depending on the stove there will be a minimum distance to combustibles( Your timber surround) required.
If you plan on sitting the stove on the hearth it is most likely you will need to remove the timber surround.

Sanchez83 · 26-06-2015 07:36PM

Nice looking job on that Henley Achill 18.
I would be a small bit cautious of the two small timber shelves you have at the front as they could smoulder if the stove was at highest temp.
The timber at sides and top look fine though.
Nice idea with the brick and timber edging.

Bruthal · 26-06-2015 07:54PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Nice looking job on that Henley Achill 18.
I would be a small bit cautious of the two small timber shelves you have at the front as they could smoulder if the stove was at highest temp.
The timber at sides and top look fine though.
Nice idea with the brick and timber edging.

They don't get more than barely warm with a raging fire in it with them being a little in front if the stove, and it being a boiler one. Boiler stove metal outer surfaces don't get near as hot as non boiler models.

Sanchez83 · 26-06-2015 09:55PM

I am indeed aware that it only gives 5kw max to the room as the other 13kw is to the water.
A rough combustible distance of a 5kw stove would be 600mm.At closest 300mm.
Your timber shelves look within the 300mm so would not be recommended.

Bruthal · 26-06-2015 10:30PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

I am indeed aware that it only gives 5kw max to the room as the other 13kw is to the water.

That's not the point I'm making. A 5 kW room heater stove will have a much higher outer surface temperature than a boiler stove that also gives 5kw to the room.

A rough combustible distance of a 5kw stove would be 600mm.At closest 300mm
Your timber shelves look within the 300mm so would not be recommended.

They will be fine. Like I said, they barely warm up. Tiny surface area facing stove. Stove surface temperature similar to a radiator. They are out in the open, not trapped inside the chimney area close to the very hot flue etc. Stove been running months. Not a bother on them.

mcrods · 27-06-2015 05:35PM

Hi guys does anyone know about a bright fire irish stove? Thanks

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Nice looking job on that Henley Achill 18.
I would be a small bit cautious of the two small timber shelves you have at the front as they could smoulder if the stove was at highest temp.
The timber at sides and top look fine though.
Nice idea with the brick and timber edging.

Sanchez83 · 27-06-2015 06:10PM

They were formally Yola stoves based in Wexford who went bust.
They were taken over and re branded Bright fire stoves.
Yola were a decent stove but I would be cautious of them being available in years to come for parts.The stove market has become more competitive than it was so hard to see how they will survive. But I hope I am wrong.

mcrods · 27-06-2015 06:51PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

They were formally Yola stoves based in Wexford who went bust.
They were taken over and re branded Bright fire stoves.
Yola were a decent stove but I would be cautious of them being available in years to come for parts.The stove market has become more competitive than it was so hard to see how they will survive. But I hope I am wrong.

Hi thanks for that. Do you think a bad buy? Any irish makes you would recommend! We do not want China parts in stove

Sanchez83 · 27-06-2015 07:11PM

There will be China parts in every stove whether Irish made or not. Eg. Grates,ash pans etc.Its not viable to manufacture a stove 100% in Ireland due to the cost.
Irish made does not necessarily mean quality either.
Boru are ok,Sperrin probably better but have a limited range of products as only do room heater stoves. They are the only 2 companies who manufacture in Ireland to the best of my knowledge.
Waterford Stanley,Pierce and Inis stoves claim to be made here but they are not.

mcrods · 27-06-2015 07:18PM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

There will be China parts in every stove whether Irish made or not. Eg. Grates,ash pans etc.Its not viable to manufacture a stove 100% in Ireland due to the cost.
Irish made does not necessarily mean quality either.
Boru are ok,Sperrin probably better but have a limited range of products as only do room heater stoves. They are the only 2 companies who manufacture in Ireland to the best of my knowledge.
Waterford Stanley,Pierce and Inis stoves claim to be made here but they are not.

Crap I've deposit down on bright fire... Do you think mistake??

Wearb · 27-06-2015 09:08PM

I know the new owner. He has had a large engineering business for many years and is a decent sort. The two former owners of Yola now work with him. My daughter has a Yola and is very happy with it.
Personally I don't think you have made a mistake.

Sanchez83 · 27-06-2015 10:03PM

mcrods wrote: »

Crap I've deposit down on bright fire... Do you think mistake??

As I said I don't think you will have a problem with the stove.When Yola were in existence there were not too many complaints about their quality.
The Irish stove market at present will not allow them to survive in my opinion as the market is now in slight decline and there are too many established strong brands.
For this reason as stated I would be cautious about the ability to buy spares when needed in years to come.Might be worth buying a spare grate,baffle,bricks etc when you purchase the stove new and keeping them just in case.

rodge123 · 28-06-2015 03:03PM

Hey boarders

I'm planning to start a new build in September and looking for advice on energy efficient stoves.
We are building a fairly contemporary house and would like to include contemporary insert hearth stoves.
Something along the lines of these

The technical documents associated with them seem very light on the actual efficiency of them.
I have noticed on a lot of websites that they include the efficiency for your more traditional free standing stoves, but seem a little shy to provide the same details on these contemporary style stoves!

We hope to include 2 wood burning stoves in the house and the efficiency of them is important so that it does not drag our BER down.
Would we be better off maybe just having one wood burning and have the other as gas? (Living in country so would need to have external gas cylinders for it.)

Any links/tips as to where we can get contemporary stoves that are efficient and a rough guide for the prices of them would be appreciated?

EDIT:
Actually found more specific details here. Does provide the efficiency of them which range from 75%-85%.

Pierce Stoves · 02-07-2015 11:40AM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

There will be China parts in every stove whether Irish made or not. Eg. Grates,ash pans etc.Its not viable to manufacture a stove 100% in Ireland due to the cost.
Irish made does not necessarily mean quality either.
Boru are ok,Sperrin probably better but have a limited range of products as only do room heater stoves. They are the only 2 companies who manufacture in Ireland to the best of my knowledge.
Waterford Stanley,Pierce and Inis stoves claim to be made here but they are not.

Sanchez83, Do I need to contact the modifier again regarding your quotes? Untrue comments still being posted by you in order to push your own product

Sanchez83 · 02-07-2015 07:47PM

Pierce Stoves wrote: »

Sanchez83, Do I need to contact the modifier again regarding your quotes? Untrue comments still being posted by you in order to push your own product

Report all you want.I give my opinion on different brands truthfully.Have never said anything negative about your brand only to point out false advertising as Irish made.
Pierce stoves are cast iron yes? Can you tell me where the cast iron foundry is in Wexford that you are casting your stoves? Or anywhere in Ireland for that matter.
If you can i will retract my statement and you can continue to advertise as made in Ireland and I will never post on your brand again.

frankz · 02-07-2015 09:55PM

Are Henley made in Ireland are is it the same story?

Sanchez83 · 02-07-2015 10:47PM

No they are not and they will tell you this if you ring them.
They manufacture in Eastern Europe,China and Portugal.
No cast iron stoves are manufactured in Ireland as it is not possible as we have no foundry to do so.
Waterford Stanley/AGA/Bilberry are manufactured between Czech Republic,China and UK. They may do some minor assembly in Waterford on a small number of their products but most arrive fully complete.
I don't understand when a brand/product is good,which the above are,that they need to advertise falsely.The quality of the product will speak for itself.

Boru/Sperrin/Brightfire(Yola)/Firebird(Not common for stoves but available) are steel stoves made in Ireland.I am unsure about Isle stoves but think they are also.

Inis stoves are Eastern European.
Heritage Stoves China
Hamco China but their steel stoves are manufactured by Boru in Ireland.
Mulberry China
Arizona(Micon) China
Heat Design China and UK
Olymberyl China

This is most if not all Irish based stove companies.A few retailers bring in their own brands of stoves but I wouldn't include them in the above list.

guby · 02-07-2015 11:46PM

Hi,

I'm looking for advice on installing a freestanding multi fuel 8kw room heater stove. It is to be inserted in a new fake chimney breast allowing sufficient space around the stove. the flue will go straight up through the roof of a single storey room (converted garage). The external part of the flue will be 2 metres high to keep it away from my neighbour's velux window in their single storey extension.

I have a quote of €1900 approx for installation, including fixtures and fittings, but does not include the price of the stove or slate for the floor. The quote is more expensive than I had anticipated. A Stanley Tara is the only stove I have sourced so far, plain matt black. I am looking for a contemporary look but the more modern designs are beyond my budget. The stove will be on an external wall which is a shared boundary with my neighbour and if possible it would be better if the flue could be fitted without having to enter my neighbours property.

I have looked through the threads and there is great information but I haven't noticed a reference to a Stanley Tara. TBH I have got much more information here than anywhere else including retailers of stoves.

Any advice appreciated.

Sanchez83 · 03-07-2015 12:39AM

Hi Guby,

Modern 7-9 kW Freestanding stoves on a budget

Lion stove.7-9kw
Koza K5.7kw
Oxford 7
Athlone 3

Google them and you will find a few shops who sell them.They are 4 different brands.I normally try to give people a choice of brands and let them make their own minds up.

I assume the bulk of your installation cost is for the new chimney and pipe/twin wall.It seems a reasonable price to be honest.I would however ask for a list of the pipe/twin wall required and see if you can get a good deal on this from where you purchase the stove.Get a quote from the builder/fitter excluding this list also.

Pierce Stoves · 03-07-2015 09:24AM

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Report all you want.I give my opinion on different brands truthfully.Have never said anything negative about your brand only to point out false advertising as Irish made.
Pierce stoves are cast iron yes? Can you tell me where the cast iron foundry is in Wexford that you are casting your stoves? Or anywhere in Ireland for that matter.
If you can i will retract my statement and you can continue to advertise as made in Ireland and I will never post on your brand again.

Shane 83, I have no problem with you giving your opinion of different brands of stoves ours included but I do take offence in suggesting that we are False advertising,
We process 100-150 tons of steel per month in our Manufacturing Plant in Wexford and have 20 employees, we buy in our castings currently from Hungry as its more cost effective but we have used China in the past, We have never anywhere claimed that our product is 100% Irish due to the fact that we have to buy in our castings, Further more if you want to be pedantic about it no company can claim to be 100% Irish in the stove market due to the fact that all steel is imported into Ireland. Any of our genuine customers and retailers know this information and some have visited our factory, We specialise in boiler manufacture as we have done for years supplying Stanley/Aga and have a long history in designing quality boilers for the Irish market, If anybody on this forum wants to make up there mind about Pierce Stoves on your recommendation I would prefer that you have the facts about our business before you make misleading comments, Further more if anybody wants to find out more about our products or business please don't hesitate to contact us you will find our number on the website

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