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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IV

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    #6002
    Wang King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭Wang King


    phog wrote: »
    You don't replace the likes of POC

    That unfortunately is very true, but as we have seen with Leinster, and their attempt at filling the number 13 shirt. You need to have a plan in place when you lose a great, if you don't the team suffers and results in turn suffer


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    #6003
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,933 ✭✭✭✭phog


    hendo12 wrote: »
    Ok smart arse who would you put in the team at no5

    Its not being smart, no matter who we try there they will never bring what POC brought.

    We have Foley, Holland, DOC, Ryan all available next year and we should see Madigan and McCarthy coming through next season.

    I reckon if Madigan hadn't picked up the injury we'd have seen as much of him in the Pro12 as we did of JOD.


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    #6004
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    "It probably is the last time I play for Munster here." P O'C.

    Is O'Connell expected to confirm that he is going to France ?
    Seems to imply it is possible that he might play for someone else in Thomond Park and so yesterday wasnt absolutely his final day there.


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    #6005
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,933 ✭✭✭✭phog


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    "It probably is the last time I play for Munster here." P O'C.

    Is O'Connell expected to confirm that he is going to France ?
    Seems to imply it is possible that he might play for someone else in Thomond Park and so yesterday was absolutely his final day there.

    We he's almost certainly going to play for Munster next week in Ravenhill so he might have meant that.


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    #6006
    Rightwing
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    Looking forward to going to Ravenhill next week. Never there before. I'd expect us to win it by 10+ points, if we play reasonably well.


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    #6007
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I hope the Toulon move happens for him. He deserves as big a retirement kitty as he can get and a two year stint in Toulon will surely add another title to his achievements. At the same time I hope Mourad sorts us out with a nice transfer fee.

    I don't think Munster will do anything reactionary to replace POC. Provided everyone stays fit we have a first choice trio of Foley, Ryan and Holland. Ryan has maybe three years left and that's when academy players like Madigan or McCarthy will be needed to step up.


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    #6008
    hendo12
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    Mourand won't pay jack **** to anyone. Anyway if anyone was to get a fee it would be the IRFU


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    #6009
    thomond2006
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    hendo12 wrote: »
    Mourand won't pay jack **** to anyone. Anyway if anyone was to get a fee it would be the IRFU

    Well Mourad can feck off then! While POC deserves to be released for his immense credit in the bank, that doesn't mean the IRFU should be expected to let him go for nothing.


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    #6010
    alias no.9
    Registered Users Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    hendo12 wrote: »
    Ok smart arse who would you put in the team at no5

    The best available 5 plain and simple. POC the leader won't necessarily be replaced by a second row and obsessing with finding a fully formed single replacement is futile. Play the best available second row combination and give the new leaders the space to emerge from whatever position they're playing.

    POM for example is part of the leadership answer, but I don't think he's the full answer, however there's no reason it has to be just one person filling the void.


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    #6011
    .ak
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    Why would there be a transfer fee? Is he not out of contract?


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    #6012
    hendo12
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    Ah no, POC's contract with IRFU finishes 2016


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    #6013
    total former
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    .ak wrote: »
    Why would there be a transfer fee? Is he not out of contract?

    Another year. But the IRFU wouldn't insist on him being bought out, if he really wanted to go.


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    #6014
    The Lost Sheep
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    phog wrote: »
    Its not being smart, no matter who we try there they will never bring what POC brought.

    We have Foley, Holland, DOC, Ryan all available next year and we should see Madigan and McCarthy coming through next season.

    I reckon if Madigan hadn't picked up the injury we'd have seen as much of him in the Pro12 as we did of JOD.
    But saying "we wont replace POC" is stupid. We can and will produce someone maybe not to level but ...

    Madigan wouldn't have got game time in pro12 as JackO did as he hasn't even played a huge amount of A rugby so is a good bit away. from pro12 and certainly far away from getting the game time JOD got this season.
    Madigan will be looking to just play regularly in the AIL, the As in early part of next season and possibly getting pro12 time at end of next season


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    #6015
    phog
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    We can and will produce someone maybe not to level but ...

    So you agree, no one replaces the likes of POC.

    Madigan wouldn't have got game time in pro12 as JackO did as he hasn't even played a huge amount of A rugby so is a good bit away. from pro12 and certainly far away from getting the game time JOD got this season.
    Madigan will be looking to just play regularly in the AIL, the As in early part of next season and possibly getting pro12 time at end of next season

    But if Madigan wasn't injured he'd have got A games and IMHO I think he'd have got Pro12 gametime too.


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    #6016
    thomond2006
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    I think we mean replace numerically, as opposed to replacing the level of player.


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    #6017
    hendo12
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭hendo12


    I see people writing posts where Munster won't add a 2nd row that there's enough within - I totally disagree look at the hooker situation where we have lost a few hookers over the years and Mike Sherry isn't guaranteed to come through. Munster have to make a statement and will have to bring in a WORLD CLASS LOCK


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    #6018
    phog
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I think we mean replace numerically, as opposed to replacing the level of player.

    But it's not that simple. You can name any lock you like to play at No5, getting anything close to what POC brings to a team is going to be nigh on impossible.


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    #6019
    phog
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    hendo12 wrote: »
    I see people writing posts where Munster won't add a 2nd row that there's enough within - I totally disagree look at the hooker situation where we have lost a few hookers over the years and Mike Sherry isn't guaranteed to come through. Munster have to make a statement and will have to bring in a WORLD CLASS LOCK

    What NIQ player/position would you drop or manage without to try and bring in a world class lock? Would the IRFU allow us considering we have Foley, Ryan and Holland on the books?


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    #6020
    Risteard
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    Dave O'Callaghan too potentially as well as Donncha.

    Obviously not to POC's level but who is?


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    #6021
    thomond2006
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    phog wrote: »
    But it's not that simple. You can name any lock you like to play at No5, getting anything close to what POC brings to a team is going to be nigh on impossible.

    That's why I said replace numerically. Someone will step in as starter and they'll go from there. The only difference is it's happened a year earlier than expected.


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    #6022
    hendo12
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭hendo12


    I did hear what is going on in terms of what you asked (which NIQ would be dropped) while sitting in the East Stand yesterday but will not say what is going on


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    #6023
    phog
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    That's why I said replace numerically. Someone will step in as starter and they'll go from there. The only difference is it's happened a year earlier than expected.

    And that's why I said it's not as simple as that.

    Losing POC is not just losing a guy who plays at lock.


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    #6024
    phog
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    hendo12 wrote: »
    I did hear what is going on in terms of what you asked (which NIQ would be dropped) while sitting in the East Stand yesterday but will not say what is going on

    :eek:

    and you called me a smart arse earlier :rolleyes:


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    #6025
    thomond2006
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    hendo12 wrote: »
    I did hear what is going on in terms of what you asked (which NIQ would be dropped) while sitting in the East Stand yesterday but will not say what is going on

    Go on, say it.


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    #6026
    thomond2006
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    phog wrote: »
    And that's why I said it's not as simple as that.

    Losing POC is not just losing a guy who plays at lock.

    I'm not disagreeing. I don't think you can adequately replace POC like for like. Someone will come in for him and Munster will go from there. Nothing else they can do.


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    #6027
    Wang King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭Wang King


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Go on, say it.

    Cough, cough, cough, GVDH, cough, cough, cough !


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    #6028
    Mahatma Geansai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Mahatma Geansai


    If the IRFU are allowing POC to be released from the contract a year early so he can play in France, I would hope that Munster are suitably covered. Munster will essentially be losing an asset to the value of ~€400k a year.

    While I have no qualms with Paulie heading to France for a year or two, the situation might expose a major flaw with the central-contract structure.


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    #6029
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Mrsc Dublin are hoping to run a bus next Saturday to the final. Info on their facebook page


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    #6030
    tommycahir
    Registered Users Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭tommycahir


    Andrew Smith confirms he is leaving Munster at the end of the season to Murray Kinsella of the42.ie, no word yet on where he will go though.

    http://www.the42.ie/andrew-smith-munster-australian-centre-2128408-May2015


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    #6031
    CONSI
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭CONSI


    I would hope we have someone lined up to come in outside of our already announced signing..Smith would have been a good signing for another year especially with World Cup commitments for so many


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