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Cedrus · 02-05-2015 12:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its a job they dont like doing but they have to.

It's a job that the Garda Shiocacana demanded as their job and theirs alone. Back in the late 80's early 90's, there was a longer list of people of moral integrity (or whatever was the term they used). My GP signed my first application as an adult, Parish priests signed for some of my friends.

etymon · 02-05-2015 07:50AM

I used the code you recommended and didn't ask for post code for credit card (think I hit 'same as above' or something)
Money went through and was taken from account according to bank. Have a confirmation page I printed at time of booking. No email yet. I dropped them a line and said can you send on my confirmation again (the auto reply said current times to reply to emails is 8 days!!). Anyway I will be interested to see if it works. There is a 1000GBP saving on identical holidays with Irish quotes !
If it doesn't my brother is in UK so can rebook via him.
To be honest don't see why they'd care either way.

Ken. · 02-05-2015 10:20AM

Name me any card in your wallet or purse right now that'll last 2 years never mind 5.

timetogo · 02-05-2015 10:22AM

ken wrote: »

Name me any card in your wallet or purse right now that'll last 2 years never mind 5.

Driving license. Library card.

jester77 · 02-05-2015 10:24AM

ken wrote: »

Name me any card in your wallet or purse right now that'll last 2 years never mind 5.

OP makes an excellent point, my drivers licence is valid until I die.

Ken. · 02-05-2015 10:30AM

Sorry I should have made my point more clear. Saturday morning foggy brain syndrome.
My point is cards are so flimsy now they barely last. I've seen people who only have the new licences 18 months and they're starting to crack.

slimjimmc · 02-05-2015 10:30AM

Moved to Travel as it's not a consumer issue

Cushie Butterfield · 02-05-2015 10:47AM

ken wrote: »

Name me any card in your wallet or purse right now that'll last 2 years never mind 5.

ken wrote: »

Sorry I should have made my point more clear. Saturday morning foggy brain syndrome.
My point is cards are so flimsy now they barely last. I've seen people who only have the new licences 18 months and they're starting to crack.

The issue that I was highlighting is not the quality of the new card or how long they would physically remain intact, but instead their expiry date & how consumers are effectively being forced to pay twice for something that is linked to & based upon an existing document with a 10 year validity.

timetogo · 02-05-2015 10:54AM

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

The issue that I was highlighting is not the quality of the new card or how long they would physically remain intact, but instead their expiry date & how consumers are effectively being forced to pay twice for something that is linked to & based upon an existing document with a 10 year validity.

Yeah. It's not a valid reason. Cards can be made that last more than 10 years. If the depts that manage this can't do this then they should have a replacement policy and can replace them for free if the card falls apart.

I've had ATM cards that have lasted over 10 years and they got a lot more use than my passport ever would.

L1011 · 02-05-2015 11:05AM

jester77 wrote: »

OP makes an excellent point, my drivers licence is valid until I die.

Where?

UK valid to death licences still have a 10 year expiry on the photocard

delahuntv · 02-05-2015 11:07AM

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

The issue that I was highlighting is not the quality of the new card or how long they would physically remain intact, but instead their expiry date & how consumers are effectively being forced to pay twice for something that is linked to & based upon an existing document with a 10 year validity.

Absolutely NO-ONE is being FORCED in any way.

This is a totally optional extra. You don't like it - don't get it.

it is that simple.

Why people whine and moan about a totally optional option is beyond me.

Cushie Butterfield · 02-05-2015 11:20AM

delahuntv wrote: »

Absolutely NO-ONE is being FORCED in any way.

This is a totally optional extra. You don't like it - don't get it.

it is that simple.

Why people whine and moan about a totally optional option is beyond me.

Firstly, you seem to have completely ignored this paragraph in my post :

Cuhie Butterfield wrote:

I realise that there is no requirement for a card at all & that it's purpose is as a backup to the passport book, but despite that I feel that anyone who does want one is being short-changed & will also be put to unnecessary & unfair bother in terms of renewal & cost, plus potentially making double the work & time of staff responsible for issuing the cards, resulting in a needless waste of taxpayers money.

I'm fully aware that the card is optional. Apart from your good self I don't see anyone whining or moaning on this thread.

Why people whine and moan about something being highlighted is beyond me - if it doesn't affect you or potentially affect you in the future it's quite simple to ignore, or better still suggest a realistic solution.

SCOOP 64 · 02-05-2015 11:24AM

L1011 wrote: »

Where?

UK valid to death licences still have a 10 year expiry on the photocard

Properly still has the old type uk licence.

Odaise Gaelach · 02-05-2015 11:26AM

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

My second issue is that of the requirement to already hold a valid passport book in the first place. I feel that the passport card should be an alternative to a passport book or as a more affordable form of book passport renewal (similar to the USA passport cards valid for travel to/from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda).The downside, of course is that it's not valid for international travel. I understand that there may be underlying concerns as regards security/identity issues, but I can't see why there should be considering the advances in facial recognition software presently in place & being used by DSP with the issue of the new Public Services Cards.

I'd guess that the wallet-sized passport cards are more susceptible to being lost or stolen than the passport books. What they probably want to avoid is more people being stuck abroad or needing a new card before travelling because their card got lost or stolen.

Cushie Butterfield · 02-05-2015 11:46AM

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

I'd guess that the wallet-sized passport cards are more susceptible to being lost or stolen than the passport books. What they probably want to avoid is more people being stuck abroad or needing a new card before travelling because their card got lost or stolen.

Possibly, but that still doesn't change the fact that people can only get one with a 5 year validity despite their passport book having a validity of 10 years.

In fact, according to minister Brennan ''The new card will also provide a useful backup travel document within Europe in the event that someone loses their passport while travelling.''

and, from http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/new-passport-card-for-travel-in-eu-arriving-early-in-2015-1.2045735

''For young people in particular, who are often required to bring their passport book out as proof of age, I am confident that this new card will be a safer, more practical option and I look forward to introducing it in the near future”.

I'd say that that the likelihood of losing an actual passport book is greater than that of losing a card, simply beacuse of the bulk & size of the passport book added to people being less careful in pubs & clubs after having a drink or two, or three...

Berberis · 02-05-2015 12:07PM

Im starting to think that the confirmation email did take a couple of days or maybe only 1 day. Sorry I can't be more definite.
There is a bank holiday over in UK this weekend so that might delay things also

02-05-2015 12:09PM

Lots of EU countries have had these cards for years. The Polish one's i have seen are very durable, more so than our drivers licenses. I'll get one myself as it just fits in the wallet and no need for carrying around the passport all the time. Very hand for travelling within the EU.

etymon · 02-05-2015 12:36PM

It just arrived! Hurrah! love me bargains!

Odaise Gaelach · 02-05-2015 01:17PM

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

''For young people in particular, who are often required to bring their passport book out as proof of age, I am confident that this new card will be a safer, more practical option and I look forward to introducing it in the near future”.

I'd say that that the likelihood of losing an actual passport book is greater than that of losing a card, simply beacuse of the bulk & size of the passport book added to people being less careful in pubs & clubs after having a drink or two, or three...

But I think once someone has the card, they'll keep it in their wallet as habit, rather than taking their passport book instead. Which is why I think after their introduction and adoption, the cards are more likely to be lost/stolen than the books, hence their limited life span.

When I get one, I'll probably keep my passport card in my wallet and leave my book safe at home. I live in Berlin so I'm keen to find out if I can use it as a form of identification instead of my passport book.

Berberis · 02-05-2015 04:33PM

Ah great stuff

02-05-2015 08:32PM

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

But I think once someone has the card, they'll keep it in their wallet as habit, rather than taking their passport book instead. Which is why I think after their introduction and adoption, the cards are more likely to be lost/stolen than the books, hence their limited life span.

When I get one, I'll probably keep my passport card in my wallet and leave my book safe at home. I live in Berlin so I'm keen to find out if I can use it as a form of identification instead of my passport book.

It is an accepted form of identification as is a passport book. The card has all the same security features as the passport book.

Worth a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

Agricola · 03-05-2015 03:40PM

Is there any issue with a passport expiring at the end of May for an Ireland - UK return journey over 4 days next week?
Someone mentioned to me that for some journeys (I assume to non EU countries) that the passport must have x number of months left on it after your departure date....?

gustafo · 03-05-2015 04:28PM

you will be fine in europe right up to the expiry date

timetogo · 03-05-2015 05:19PM

Agricola wrote: »

Is there any issue with a passport expiring at the end of May for an Ireland - UK return journey over 4 days next week?
Someone mentioned to me that for some journeys (I assume to non EU countries) that the passport must have x number of months left on it after your departure date....?

You don't even need a passport for the UK. Photo ID is good enough. Some airlines insist that its the ID you use though.

VisibleGorilla · 05-05-2015 09:56AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

That's cutting it close, I submitted mine on 29/04, and have a target date of 20/05.

Do you know the reason for nearly a month wait?

The current times given for the week of the 29th April is 10 days for new passports and even less for renewal?

I'll get my application in ASAP in case of delays similar to yours.

MagicMarker · 05-05-2015 10:57AM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Do you know the reason for nearly a month wait?

The current times given for the week of the 29th April is 10 days for new passports and even less for renewal?

I'll get my application in ASAP in case of delays similar to yours.

they're probably just covering themselves. Assuming my application isn't rejected then I'd assume I'll get it well before then

bigboss1986 · 05-05-2015 04:47PM

Mine came today after exactly 15 working days.

Zascar · 06-05-2015 04:38PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Could you not just change your credit card address to your parcel motel address ?

I have my Irish credit card with a Dutch billing address for the last 6 years now.

Just an FYI, if you call your credit company you can add a second address to the account. Makes it easier when certain companies will only deliver to the credit card billing address etc.

damianmcr · 08-05-2015 12:41AM

Im just curious but why is it 10 days for applications from the ROI and 15 from N.I? It cant be surely down to postage?

Do they do checks differently?

When a first time application is received from N.I what checks normally happen if any?

Im hoping to get mine and the girlfriends next week if all documentation is ok. If something is necessary and im just going by what I have read on Twitter does the application join the back of the queue again? Please say this isnt true. If something was needed I would jump in the car and drive down with it the next day.

By the way the Twitter account is excellent and they seem really helpful.

Malee · 08-05-2015 07:02AM

damianmcr wrote: »

Im just curious but why is it 10 days for applications from the ROI and 15 from N.I? It cant be surely down to postage?

Do they do checks differently?

When a first time application is received from N.I what checks normally happen if any?

Im hoping to get mine and the girlfriends next week if all documentation is ok. If something is necessary and im just going by what I have read on Twitter does the application join the back of the queue again? Please say this isnt true. If something was needed I would jump in the car and drive down with it the next day.

By the way the Twitter account is excellent and they seem really helpful.

There is an agreement with An Post to deliver Passport Express the next day, but as there is Royal Mail in N.I. An Post has to transfer all post over to Royal Mail which takes an extra day.

Also, for a first time application the witness is nearly always contacted. Contrary to the Gardai in the South the N.I. witnesses are not always available (holidays, out of the office, busy, etc) so it can take multiple days to get in touch to confirm details. That delays the progress of the application.

If extra documentation is required a return envelope is posted out, which upon return enters a different stream with a turn-around of approximately one week.

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