Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

People who hire hookers?

Options
12425262830

Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    One thing is certain, given this discussion has raged unabated over Friday night - Saturday morning, and beyond, no one here is having much sex, good or otherwise.

    Having stepped back from it for 24 hours, I'll have to say that it's gone into an incredible number of pointless tangents, largely fulled by the presumption that when someone says many men/women they mean all.

    Prostitutes are better at sex than non prostitutes. TBH, I don't know why this one dragged on so long. I would imagine an experienced gigolo is more than likely going to be better than me in the sack. It's his job, he wants the repeat business, of course he's going to be better, put in the effort, rather than 20 minutes of squelchy noises at the end of a hard working day, with the missus of twenty years.

    Of course, this doesn't mean it's the case always, but I was a bit taken aback by the suggestion that it may often the case by some. It's almost as if it was taken as a personal insult to all women everywhere.

    Sex drives. TBH, I don't think it's as simple as saying men have higher sex drives or not. Different would be a better description; after all, women are affected by hormonal cycles that men don't have and the whole 'girls who sleep around are bad, boys who do are studs' thing undoubtedly also plays a part.

    And due to various reasons women can get sex easier (please no one suggest that a man propositioning a woman for sex would get the same success rate as the reverse, that level of denial just isn't funny), it means there is not the same pressure to avail of opportunities that come along as there is with men.

    Indeed, if a man was propositioned and knew the sex would be terrible and he'd get only a small amount of pleasure, as one poster raised, he would still likely say yes, depending upon his age, the last time he had sex and whether he has access to sex otherwise. As Brendan Behan once wrote; "I never went to bed with an ugly woman, but I have woken up with a few".

    So even if women have the same sex drive as men (or not), they don't share men's urgency to attain it. Still, so what?

    And do women have an easier time with relationships than men? Maybe if there's a ring on their finger, otherwise absolutely not. Women may be the gatekeepers to sex, but men are the gatekeepers to relationships. Men may go to prostitutes for the former, but dating sites and agencies are jammed full of women looking for the latter.

    However, in this discussion, even if none of the posters identify as feminists, it's clear that misandrist feminist theories on male sexuality have made their mark on what they believe in. Likewise, some of the whackier misogynistic generalizations from the Red Pill brigade have also popped up a few times in discussion.

    So returning to the original post in this whole sorry thread:
    yumyum10 wrote: »
    Friend hires one a week. Says its cheaper than a girlfriend and isn't tied down. What's your views on people who hire them?
    The cheaper argument is in general and long term true. It's not a nice thing to say unfortunately and will immediately raise the ire of those who feel their own marriages have been insulted by the mere suggestion it is (or it hits a nerve because they're presently profiting from such an arrangement), but if you do the math, in many cases it does work out cheaper. Not all, but many.

    Tied down really depends on what you mean by tied down though. It's too subjective to suggest this claim is true. For some, who want to live their lives without having to worry about coordinating or being obliged to spend time with anyone else, then I suppose a relationship would tie them down. Same may well be the case with someone who travels 80%+ as part of their job. But for most I would doubt it, and if they do feel tied down by someone, they probably shouldn't be in a relationship with them in the first place.

    What are my views on people who hire them? Neutral. I'm aware that people do for numerous reasons. I'd feel pity for some because they're lonely or because they're trapped in a sexless marriage. Contempt for others because they're cheating on a partner that they are otherwise sexually satisfied with - they just want more. And for many others, I'd have no opinion either way, any more than I would of someone who goes to get a massage (without a 'happy finish') upon occasion, or even on a regular basis. I'd probably wonder why they don't just get s fùck-buddy, but then again, not everyone can and not everyone can all the time.

    But seriously, this entire thread has just degenerated into one big partisan gender war.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    ^^^Best post of the entire thread. Pretty much sums it up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 39 Ogniochialli


    I'm genuinely struggling to see how that addresses the issue some posters here have, that women seem to have an advantage when it comes to procuring sexual relief, over men who it seems are at a disadvantage when it comes to procuring sexual relief?

    Have you any suggestions as to what men who are aware of this disparity can do to address it?

    I was illustrating a difference in female and male sexuality.

    Men can solve their sexual frustrations by learning game. I used to be about average at seducing women now I seduce attractive women most nights I go out, I have game to thank for that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 79 ✭✭lavdad


    I'd actually go further and say that if the Pareto principle holds true and with sexual liberation were now seeing the effects today, an increase in lone parents and more single people in there thirties.

    Yes, monogamous sexual mores are the hallmark of a functional society. "Sexual liberation" is the hallmark of a highly decadent one. There's a reason humans haven't always had this delusional ideal of 'freedom of sexual choice' (i.e. women and alpha male's freedom of sexual choice) It creates total disorder in society, as does the breakdown of all traditional values. Ever wonder why so many people these days can't even get out of bed in the morning without popping pills?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 79 ✭✭lavdad


    I'd actually go further and say that if the Pareto principle holds true and with sexual liberation were now seeing the effects today, an increase in lone parents and more single people in there thirties.

    Yes, monogamous sexual mores are the hallmark of a functional society. "Sexual liberation" is the hallmark of a highly decadent one. There's a reason humans haven't always had this delusional ideal of 'freedom of sexual choice' (i.e. women and "alpha male"'s freedom of sexual choice) It creates total disorder in society, as does the breakdown of all traditional values. Ever wonder why so many people these days can't even get out of bed in the morning without popping pills?


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    One thing is certain, given this discussion has raged unabated over Friday night - Saturday morning, and beyond, no one here is having much sex, good or otherwise.

    Having stepped back from it for 24 hours, I'll have to say that it's gone into an incredible number of pointless tangents, largely fulled by the presumption that when someone says many men/women they mean all.

    Prostitutes are better at sex than non prostitutes. TBH, I don't know why this one dragged on so long. I would imagine an experienced gigolo is more than likely going to be better than me in the sack. It's his job, he wants the repeat business, of course he's going to be better, put in the effort, rather than 20 minutes of squelchy noises at the end of a hard working day, with the missus of twenty years.

    Of course, this doesn't mean it's the case always, but I was a bit taken aback by the suggestion that it may often the case by some. It's almost as if it was taken as a personal insult to all women everywhere.

    Sex drives. TBH, I don't think it's as simple as saying men have higher sex drives or not. Different would be a better description; after all, women are affected by hormonal cycles that men don't have and the whole 'girls who sleep around are bad, boys who do are studs' thing undoubtedly also plays a part.

    And due to various reasons women can get sex easier (please no one suggest that a man propositioning a woman for sex would get the same success rate as the reverse, that level of denial just isn't funny), it means there is not the same pressure to avail of opportunities that come along as there is with men.

    Indeed, if a man was propositioned and knew the sex would be terrible and he'd get only a small amount of pleasure, as one poster raised, he would still likely say yes, depending upon his age, the last time he had sex and whether he has access to sex otherwise. As Brendan Behan once wrote; "I never went to bed with an ugly woman, but I have woken up with a few".

    So even if women have the same sex drive as men (or not), they don't share men's urgency to attain it. Still, so what?

    And do women have an easier time with relationships than men? Maybe if there's a ring on their finger, otherwise absolutely not. Women may be the gatekeepers to sex, but men are the gatekeepers to relationships. Men may go to prostitutes for the former, but dating sites and agencies are jammed full of women looking for the latter.

    However, in this discussion, even if none of the posters identify as feminists, it's clear that misandrist feminist theories on male sexuality have made their mark on what they believe in. Likewise, some of the whackier misogynistic generalizations from the Red Pill brigade have also popped up a few times in discussion.

    So returning to the original post in this whole sorry thread:

    The cheaper argument is in general and long term true. It's not a nice thing to say unfortunately and will immediately raise the ire of those who feel their own marriages have been insulted by the mere suggestion it is (or it hits a nerve because they're presently profiting from such an arrangement), but if you do the math, in many cases it does work out cheaper. Not all, but many.

    Tied down really depends on what you mean by tied down though. It's too subjective to suggest this claim is true. For some, who want to live their lives without having to worry about coordinating or being obliged to spend time with anyone else, then I suppose a relationship would tie them down. Same may well be the case with someone who travels 80%+ as part of their job. But for most I would doubt it, and if they do feel tied down by someone, they probably shouldn't be in a relationship with them in the first place.

    What are my views on people who hire them? Neutral. I'm aware that people do for numerous reasons. I'd feel pity for some because they're lonely or because they're trapped in a sexless marriage. Contempt for others because they're cheating on a partner that they are otherwise sexually satisfied with - they just want more. And for many others, I'd have no opinion either way, any more than I would of someone who goes to get a massage (without a 'happy finish') upon occasion, or even on a regular basis. I'd probably wonder why they don't just get s fùck-buddy, but then again, not everyone can and not everyone can all the time.

    But seriously, this entire thread has just degenerated into one big partisan gender war.

    wow thanks for clearing it all up for us. It must have took you the 24 hours you 'stepped away' from the thread to write your closing speech or the last word, Corinthian :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 jbtarmac121


    Looking forward to a session with a stunning Hungarian escort tomorrow. Amazing woman, this is my second visit. Needless to say I was very satisfied with the first one two weeks ago. I feel sorry for the lads who remain sexless for months/years on end. Escorts should be legal across the world if you ask me. They provide a great service. I'll be staying in tonight to save my money for tomorrow afternoon. Why go out and pay for overpriced drinks/club entry/ taxi/messy kebab etc when I can have a nice quiet night with my Lost boxset and then get up after my nice lie in and go for an hour of bliss.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Looking forward to a session with a stunning Hungarian escort tomorrow. Amazing woman, this is my second visit. Needless to say I was very satisfied with the first one two weeks ago. I feel sorry for the lads who remain sexless for months/years on end. Escorts should be legal across the world if you ask me. They provide a great service. I'll be staying in tonight to save my money for tomorrow afternoon. Why go out and pay for overpriced drinks/club entry/ taxi/messy kebab etc when I can have a nice quiet night with my Lost boxset and then get up after my nice lie in and go for an hour of bliss.


    All they need to do is learn game, then they too can seduce attractive women!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Saralee4 wrote: »
    wow thanks for clearing it all up for us. It must have took you the 24 hours you 'stepped away' from the thread to write your closing speech or the last word, Corinthian :p

    Passive aggressive. That was actually a useful contribution as opposed to your effort here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    lavdad wrote: »
    Yes, monogamous sexual mores are the hallmark of a functional society. "Sexual liberation" is the hallmark of a highly decadent one. There's a reason humans haven't always had this delusional ideal of 'freedom of sexual choice' (i.e. women and "alpha male"'s freedom of sexual choice) It creates total disorder in society, as does the breakdown of all traditional values. Ever wonder why so many people these days can't even get out of bed in the morning without popping pills?

    Doesn't like the breakdown of society caused by sexual liberation.

    Hires prostitutes so he can have sex with women that are out of his league.

    Should you not be doing your bit by settling down with an ugly short woman to restore a bit of order? Or am I getting you mixed with someone else?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 39 jbtarmac121


    All they need to do is learn game, then they too can seduce attractive women!


    lol. learn "game". If by game you mean a Lefort 1 procedure coupled with a septoplasty and otoplasty then yes, if I got "game" I'd be able to seduce beautiful women. Unfortunately I have a craniofacial deformity at the moment which the government are going to be paying to fix.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 jbtarmac121


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Passive aggressive. That was actually a useful contribution as opposed to your effort here.

    Typical post you see from a lot of women on here. Sarcastic and belittling, passive aggressive. Those little posts/comments, that the mods allow, are catalysts for threads degrading.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Passive aggressive. That was actually a useful contribution as opposed to your effort here.

    I learnt how to do that from this thread. See Im learning :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭Colser


    Typical post you see from a lot of women on here. Sarcastic and belittling, passive aggressive. Those little posts/comments, that the mods allow, are catalysts for threads degrading.
    No problem with the lads saying that the hookers are much better in the leaba than other women?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 39 Ogniochialli


    Colser wrote: »
    No problem with the lads saying that the hookers are much better in the leaba than other women?

    Male prostitutes would be better too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Colser wrote: »
    No problem with the lads saying that the hookers are much better in the leaba than other women?
    Why not? I'm quite happy to admit that a gigolo is probably much better in the leaba than me. Or a porn actor is probably far better 'endowed' than I am. It makes sense they probably would be and I'd have to be a bit insecure to get upset over it, TBH.

    Still not sure why it even matters, for that matter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Colser wrote: »
    No problem with the lads saying that the hookers are much better in the leaba than other women?

    Or accusing other male posters of being gay because they have a different viewpoint, or calling women sexually delusional, or sluts and whores.

    Nope, it's only the 'typical' women on here who have issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    Colser wrote: »
    No problem with the lads saying that the hookers are much better in the leaba than other women?

    Ah so that's the gripe some posters have here...afraid they don't stack up or cut the mustard?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Nope, it's only the 'typical' women on here who have issues.
    TBH, there's delusions all over the place and in all camps in this thread. The whole who's better in bed tangent seems like a complete waste of time to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Looking forward to a session with a stunning Hungarian escort tomorrow. Amazing woman, this is my second visit. Needless to say I was very satisfied with the first one two weeks ago. I feel sorry for the lads who remain sexless for months/years on end. Escorts should be legal across the world if you ask me. They provide a great service. I'll be staying in tonight to save my money for tomorrow afternoon. Why go out and pay for overpriced drinks/club entry/ taxi/messy kebab etc when I can have a nice quiet night with my Lost boxset and then get up after my nice lie in and go for an hour of bliss.

    If only they had escorts on that fecking Island.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Or accusing other male posters of being gay because they have a different viewpoint, or calling women sexually delusional, or sluts and whores.

    Nope, it's only the 'typical' women on here who have issues.

    I'm not going to dig through the thread, but have posters actually said such things on this particular thread?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I'm not going to dig through the thread, but have posters actually said such things on this particular thread?
    Lazy bollocks :p

    The gay accusation, I believe took place, alright. The accusation of being sexually delusional is a bit disingenuous as, from what I've seen there's been accusations both ways that some of the sexual claims made were bordering on delusional. I've not seen anyone called a slut or whore, but maybe I missed it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    lol. learn "game". If by game you mean a Lefort 1 procedure coupled with a septoplasty and otoplasty then yes, if I got "game" I'd be able to seduce beautiful women. Unfortunately I have a craniofacial deformity at the moment which the government are going to be paying to fix.


    All joking aside jb, I wish you the best of luck with the procedure :)

    As for "game", yeah, I've already given my opinions on it.

    Though speaking as a middle aged, one eyed cripple, none of the former have ever been a barrier to my success with interpersonal relationships with the opposite sex. I didn't need "game" or any of the rest of that nonsense. Simply treating people with respect as human beings no different to myself, seems to have a much higher success rate than any silly "techniques"... :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 39 Ogniochialli


    All joking aside jb, I wish you the best of luck with the procedure :)

    As for "game", yeah, I've already given my opinions on it.

    Though speaking as a middle aged, one eyed cripple, none of the former have ever been a barrier to my success with interpersonal relationships with the opposite sex. I didn't need "game" or any of the rest of that nonsense. Simply treating people with respect as human beings no different to myself, seems to have a much higher success rate than any silly "techniques"... :rolleyes:

    Yea paying equal attention to all women ( and men)in a group is a silly game technique.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    TBH, there's delusions all over the place and in all camps in this thread.

    I wouldn't say delusions, as much as differing viewpoints. You or I might find certain opinions delusional, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid to the poster making them.

    I have a real problem with the phrase 'typical' female etc. It's a phrase used to dismiss an opinion based on gender and I would never use it to describe a man's opinion, whether I agreed with it or not. I could easily say "Oh Corinthian's posts are typical male rubbish" or whatever, but I wouldn't because it's a stupid thing to say and it's not true. It's a lazy, spiteful way of putting someone down and it irks me no end!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Male prostitutes would be better too.


    And you would know this how exactly? :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    TBH, there's delusions all over the place and in all camps in this thread. The whole who's better in bed tangent seems like a complete waste of time to me.

    in fairness a lot of threads contain delusions.

    a lot of threads have method. two or more people get into an argument, then go off on tangents, then start scrutinizing each others posts for silly vocabulary and "nonsensical" statements and then after a week or so the thread dies down because the people get tired of saying the same things.

    on a thread that has more than 40+ pages, you will see this


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 39 Ogniochialli


    And you would know this how exactly? :confused:

    It's an educated prediction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Lazy bollocks :p

    The gay accusation, I believe took place, alright. The accusation of being sexually delusional is a bit disingenuous as, from what I've seen there's been accusations both ways that some of the sexual claims made were bordering on delusional. I've not seen anyone called a slut or whore, but maybe I missed it.

    Post #714


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It's an educated prediction.


    Sounds more like an ill informed authoritative assertion to me tbh.

    Have it your way though.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement