No one slags off Vladimir... Opposition Leader Shot Dead.

Egginacup · 28-02-2015 05:30PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

Yeh, I'm not part of the baffling Putin love-in, but we don't actually know that he's responsible - even if it looks that way.

Thank you, Baby Jane.
A little bit of logic is a welcome thing here.

Gatling · 28-02-2015 05:32PM

Here we go again

Adamantium · 28-02-2015 05:39PM

Who knows what will happen next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 05:41PM

The timing of the killing in the run up to a pro Ukrainian protest is clearly to act as a warning to the opposition.

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 05:43PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Thank you, Baby Jane.
A little bit of logic is a welcome thing here.

Anything you say Egginacup I am inclined to believe the opposite. In fact you mirror the attitude exactly of your hero in this regard.

If he says he's not responsible for something, you know well he's responsible.

The Aussie · 28-02-2015 06:13PM

Well onemanonecup Egginacup has become a parody of him/her self itself...

Just here for entertainment value now.

Egginacup · 28-02-2015 06:39PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Putin throwing back Russia decades - he is slowly by surely getting more unpredictable... bullying to re-establish old USSR borders I fear is his ultimate aim.

Since he was part of a core who favoured detente, glasnost, perestroika and the dismantling of the Warsaw Pact, the reunification of East and West Germany and he also scuppered a plot by Central committee hardliners to preserve the Soviet union, what makes you say that he would want to resurrect it?

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 06:55PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Since he was part of a core who favoured detente, glasnost, perestroika and the dismantling of the Warsaw Pact, the reunification of East and West Germany and he also scuppered a plot by Central committee hardliners to preserve the Soviet union, what makes you say that he would want to resurrect it?

Because clearly he's had a change of heart and huge regrets about all that. He probably doesn't want a return to exactly the USSR. He does however want a return to an era when Russia was a big player on the world stage and people feared Russia and its government inside and outside the country. He probably thinks, wrongly, its difficult to keep a country like Russia together without some element of fear. In this he has succeeded.

Egginacup · 28-02-2015 07:17PM

myshirt wrote: »

Can I ask, has anyone here ever been to Russia? Ever have any hassle or encounter any corruption?

Particularly at the airport, usually involving your passport and $100 dollars.

B#stards. Was caught 4 times.

Nice made up story.

B_Wayne · 28-02-2015 07:24PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Nice made up story.

Hey, which part of this is made up?

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/russia

Egginacup · 28-02-2015 07:28PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Because clearly he's had a change of heart and huge regrets about all that. He probably doesn't want a return to exactly the USSR. He does however want a return to an era when Russia was a big player on the world stage and people feared Russia and its government inside and outside the country. He probably thinks, wrongly, its difficult to keep a country like Russia together without some element of fear. In this he has succeeded.

Then explain why he didn't invade and annexe Georgia, which would have been well within his rights, after Georgia attacked Abkhazia and South Ossetia? That button-eyed sock puppet, Shakaashvili, under the orders of Washington, started bombing the two aforementioned provinces. Putin crushed them in about 6 hours and left it at that. I would have flattened Georgia for that crime of western stoked aggression, hanged shakaashvili and called on the UN to sanction everyone who played a part in the attack.

Elmer Blooker · 28-02-2015 07:33PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The timing of the killing in the run up to a pro Ukrainian protest is clearly to act as a warning to the opposition.

Now let me see ........ there was going to be a pro ukraine march tomorrow which no one had heard about organised by a politician (or ex politician?) that hardly anyone has ever heard of, instead we will have tomorrow a memorial march for a martyr known all over the world, with of course the western media descending on it like a plague of locusts and exploiting it for all it's worth!
Interesting but not very clever move by Putin.

Gatling · 28-02-2015 07:53PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Then explain why he didn't invade and annexe Georgia, which would have been well within his rights, after Georgia attacked Abkhazia and South Ossetia

More bs

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 07:57PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Then explain why he didn't invade and annexe Georgia, which would have been well within his rights, after Georgia attacked Abkhazia and South Ossetia? That button-eyed sock puppet, Shakaashvili, under the orders of Washington, started bombing the two aforementioned provinces. Putin crushed them in about 6 hours and left it at that. I would have flattened Georgia for that crime of western stoked aggression, hanged shakaashvili and called on the UN to sanction everyone who played a part in the attack.

As The Aussie said, you really have become a parody of yourself.

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 07:59PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Now let me see ........ there was going to be a pro ukraine march tomorrow which no one had heard about organised by a politician (or ex politician?) that hardly anyone has ever heard of, instead we will have tomorrow a memorial march for a martyr known all over the world, with of course the western media descending on it like a plague of locusts and exploiting it for all it's worth!
Interesting but not very clever move by Putin.

He doesn't give a sh*t about what anyone else in the world thinks, hasn't that become clear to you already from the numerous other killings? He doesn't give a sh*t what anyone in Russia thinks either. And why should he? It's not like he's going to be arrested for this? Or brought before any court anywhere. His stock couldn't get any lower internationally. In fact its probably a good time for him to do some house cleaning.

Much like FF in the old days he's guaranteed high ratings from his core support regardless of what he does.

Egginacup · 28-02-2015 08:05PM

Lapin wrote: »

Bad shít this.

Seriously. Easy to laugh and joke, but this is very sinister.

It's only sinister because you've been led by the nose to that conclusion.

This guy could have been killed by a common thief, a jilted rent boy, a vengeful ex-employee, a husband/boyfriend whose wife/girlfriend he's been banging, a guy he has dirt on or owes money to, etc., etc., etc.
But the only thing was that he was a critic of Putin so then Putin was responsible.

If he was a critic of Ryanair would you be calling O'Leary "Hitler 3.0" or some other such crap.?

Eugene Norman · 28-02-2015 08:07PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Nice made up story.

Because nothing bad happens in Russia.

Nodin · 28-02-2015 08:09PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Because nothing bad happens in Russia.

...only when its somebody elses fault.

Eugene Norman · 28-02-2015 08:11PM

Egginacup wrote: »

It's only sinister because you've been led by the nose to that conclusion.

This guy could have been killed by a common thief, a jilted rent boy, a vengeful ex-employee, a husband/boyfriend whose wife/girlfriend he's been banging, a guy he has dirt on or owes money to, etc., etc., etc.
But the only thing was that he was a critic of Putin so then Putin was responsible.

If he was a critic of Ryanair would you be calling O'Leary "Hitler 3.0" or some other such crap.?

Talking of hitler were you around in 1934 you'd probably be dismissing the night of the long knives as a lovers tiff.

Eugene Norman · 28-02-2015 08:16PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Then explain why he didn't invade and annexe Georgia, which would have been well within his rights, after Georgia attacked Abkhazia and South Ossetia? That button-eyed sock puppet, Shakaashvili, under the orders of Washington, started bombing the two aforementioned provinces. Putin crushed them in about 6 hours and left it at that. I would have flattened Georgia for that crime of western stoked aggression, hanged shakaashvili and called on the UN to sanction everyone who played a part in the attack.

You have quite the imperialist hard on for Russia don't you. 11 time zones aren't enough for 100M people.

You remind me of some ultra Zionists who think israel are pushovers for not going into the Gaza strip full time, hanging the Palestinian leadership, and flattening the whole place for the crime of Iranian backed insurgency.

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 08:18PM

Egginacup wrote: »

It's only sinister because you've been led by the nose to that conclusion.

This guy could have been killed by a common thief, a jilted rent boy, a vengeful ex-employee, a husband/boyfriend whose wife/girlfriend he's been banging, a guy he has dirt on or owes money to, etc., etc., etc.
But the only thing was that he was a critic of Putin so then Putin was responsible.

If he was a critic of Ryanair would you be calling O'Leary "Hitler 3.0" or some other such crap.?

Even you don't believe the nonsense you spout, I'm sure of that. Your blind admiration for Putin knows no bounds, its getting laughable at this stage.

The guy can litteraly do no wrong in your eyes, always someone else to blame, the west, the cia.

Did O'Leary invade another soverign nation?

darkpagandeath · 28-02-2015 08:19PM

Is this not typical KGB dirty tricks bread and butter stuff ...

DeadHand · 28-02-2015 08:21PM

Still haven't seen any evidence that this killing was ordered by Putin.

Not that this will stop those in the increasingly feminized, suicidal West flapping their hands pathetically in a dishonest attempt to demonise Putin- One of the tragically few national leaders in the world today who actually leads his country and speaks sense on geopolitical issues.

Korat · 28-02-2015 08:22PM

Political assassinations are a sign of weakness. With the amount of control Putin has over the judiciary and the media it's pretty shocking that he had to resort to such a clumsy way of dealing with this problem.

There's always a risk of creating a martyr and while other political murders in Russia have been largely ignored by the general population that was when the economy was growing and the standard of living was rising. People are more easily agitated by these events where there are other problems affecting their lives too which might be caused by the government.

darkpagandeath · 28-02-2015 08:25PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Still haven't seen any evidence that this killing was ordered by Putin.

Not that this will stop those in the increasingly feminized, suicidal West flapping their hands pathetically in a dishonest attempt to demonise Putin- One of the tragically few national leaders in the world today who actually leads his country and speaks sense on geopolitical issues.

1/10 People may get a better reaction on Reddit for this kind of stuff. :pac::pac::pac:

Eugene Norman · 28-02-2015 08:26PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Still haven't seen any evidence that this killing was ordered by Putin.

Not that this will stop those in the increasingly feminized, suicidal West flapping their hands pathetically in a dishonest attempt to demonise Putin- One of the tragically few national leaders in the world today who actually leads his country and speaks sense on geopolitical issues.

There's the right wing nationalist. Strange alliances attach to Putinism

DeadHand · 28-02-2015 08:29PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1/10 People may get a better reaction on Reddit for this kind of stuff. :pac::pac::pac:

Was he right or wrong about Syria, for example?

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 08:30PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Still haven't seen any evidence that this killing was ordered by Putin.

Not that this will stop those in the increasingly feminized, suicidal West flapping their hands pathetically in a dishonest attempt to demonise Putin- One of the tragically few national leaders in the world today who actually leads his country and speaks sense on geopolitical issues.

Hard to find "evidence" when the main suspect is in charge of the investigation wouldn't you say.

With a credible investigation, perhaps. But no chance now.

If the leader of Fianna Fail was assasinated would it make sense for the leader of Fine Gael to "lead" the investigation?

Make your own mind up!

DeadHand · 28-02-2015 08:34PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Hard to find "evidence" when the main suspect is in charge of the investigation wouldn't you say.

With a credible investigation, perhaps. But no chance now.

If the leader of Fianna Fail was assasinated would it make sense for the leader of Fine Gael to "lead" the investigation?

Make your own mind up!

Well, when the people in the Czech Republic were murdered people were rapid to blame my beloved Islam.

Point being, the most usual suspect isn't always the guilty one.

Shurimgreat · 28-02-2015 08:35PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Was he right or wrong about Syria, for example?

Syria? hmm let me see. 10 million displaced, many never to return. 1/3rd of the country run by ISIS. All the major cities in ruins including Aleppo, the industrial heartland. 220,000 dead, 80,000 missing, 500,000 injured, whole populations ethnically cleansed.

That turned out brilliant for Assad and Putin. Not one serious UNSC resolution got through condemning Assad, all vetoed by Russia. And all Assad's weapons supplied by Russia, many of them ending up in ISIS hands.

No one slags off Vladimir... Opposition Leader Shot Dead.

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