Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

homewardbound11 · 10-02-2015 10:18PM

I hadn't tallied up the wides but it was 15. I say 6 were give me points. So that had to be taken into account. I look back at the 20 12 game against Tyrone and remember it took us 35 mins before we cracked them. The problem with the last day was Tyrone didn't need to push the game as they were always ahead . So they relied only on their counter attacking. Something we need to be wary of with 2 more similar northern teams coming up. I just wonder if we had managed to go in half time 2 to 3 up and Tyrone had yo push for the points.
I guess a little more tact for future games needed. I wasn't overally concerned about the loss or of our forward play . An off game is no harm this time of year. The bit that annoyed me was that 4 or 5 of their scores were all but in contested.

Referee wasn't our reason for the loss but it's time for 2 referees on the pitch. Black cards should be dished out this time of year as a deterrent to players but that's not happening.

Onwards from here.

Gary Neville · 10-02-2015 11:52PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Exactly. Mayo (both the team and management) were simply unprepared on Sunday. Over the years we've had mixed results playing against blanket defences, Sunday was probably the worst one we've had in a while.

Tactically and fitness wise we were far behind where we can expect to be come the summer time. Go back every year since Horan came on board and I can think of at least one game where we were badly roasted in the league. We've got two points out of two games so far which is better than where we were this time last year. Mayo fans have a habit of coming out with the same old cliches every time we ship a loss, no tactical awareness, no forwards etc. C&H have a tough job between trying new players and tactics and keeping our Div 1 status but it's early days yet, let's save the panic for if or when we are staring into the Division 2 abyss.

Sunday was a bad day at the office but at least there are green shoots - Kevin Keane's emergence as a force in FB and the performances of the younger lads are encouraging. We played lousy but we still only lost by 4 points in the end.

I can't undertand this - Mayo were the most impressive team in the 1st round, Tyrone were the worst. It was the complete reversal in the 2nd round.

Mayo lost by 4 but the goal was the most blatant square goal I've seen in ages - In reality they lost 1-11 to 0-7 - that's double scores.

Mayo have shown that they can deal with a massed defence - 2013 v Donegal.

It could be a blip or it could be a sign that the Mayo system is now obsolete - Mayo Management will be concerned.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 11-02-2015 12:16AM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I can't undertand this - Mayo were the most impressive team in the 1st round, Tyrone were the worst. It was the complete reversal in the 2nd round.

Mayo lost by 4 but the goal was the most blatant square goal I've seen in ages - In reality they lost 1-11 to 0-7 - that's double scores.

Mayo have shown that they can deal with a massed defence - 2013 v Donegal.

It could be a blip or it could be a sign that the Mayo system is now obsolete - Mayo Management will be concerned.

Mayo had a few decisions go against them as well. The poor refereeing cut both ways. In 'reality' the result was reflective of the game. Mayo were up against a well organised Tyrone team who had it all to prove after the drubbing they got the week before. Maybe there was a complacency in the set up.

The 2013 game against Donegal isn't relevant, Mayo were at the peak of their game against a tired Donegal team. Sunday we saw an experimental team with a management who are two games into their tenure. It's too early to predict how the season is going to pan out.

crusier · 11-02-2015 12:27PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I can't undertand this - Mayo were the most impressive team in the 1st round, Tyrone were the worst. It was the complete reversal in the 2nd round.

Mayo lost by 4 but the goal was the most blatant square goal I've seen in ages - In reality they lost 1-11 to 0-7 - that's double scores.

Mayo have shown that they can deal with a massed defence - 2013 v Donegal.

It could be a blip or it could be a sign that the Mayo system is now obsolete - Mayo Management will be concerned.

Maybe if the gooch and o Donoghue were playing they might not have been so impressive!

ColeTrain · 11-02-2015 12:35PM

crusier wrote: »

Maybe if the gooch and o Donoghue were playing they might not have been so impressive!

Mayo were missing Cillian O'Connor and other regulars if you're gonna play that game!

Shurimgreat · 11-02-2015 03:07PM

It's nonsense to say Mayo have gone backwards. Look at their players. Easily the best defensive 6 in the country, usually a solid midfield pairing, and some very good forwards who on their day can trouble any team and run up a high score.

The team were excellent against an admittedly weakened Kerry team. You don't become a bad team overnight.

It was the Tyrone tactics that did for Mayo, completely negating their usual running with that ball style. Yes the Mayo management team struggled to come up with a plan to break down Tyrone. But it just proves that a team of relatively limited individuals which Tyrone are at the moment can with a system beat a team of talented individuals.

So tactics definitely trumped individual skill. It doesn't bode well for the future of the game. I'd rather see Gooch, O'Donohue, Cillian O'Connor, Bernard Brogan allowed to be skillful than be swarmed by four hatchet men everytime they get the ball.

keane2097 · 11-02-2015 03:34PM

"Easily the best defensive six in the country" is a serious stretch. Most of them are at least slightly suspect when it comes to defending.

crusier · 11-02-2015 03:42PM

keane2097 wrote: »

"Easily the best defensive six in the country" is a serious stretch. Most of them are at least slightly suspect when it comes to defending.

Its generally been early defensive errors that's have cost mayo on all Ireland final day!

davegrohl48 · 11-02-2015 04:29PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

It's nonsense to say Mayo have gone backwards. Look at their players. Easily the best defensive 6 in the country, usually a solid midfield pairing, and some very good forwards who on their day can trouble any team and run up a high score.

The team were excellent against an admittedly weakened Kerry team. You don't become a bad team overnight.

It was the Tyrone tactics that did for Mayo, completely negating their usual running with that ball style. Yes the Mayo management team struggled to come up with a plan to break down Tyrone. But it just proves that a team of relatively limited individuals which Tyrone are at the moment can with a system beat a team of talented individuals.

So tactics definitely trumped individual skill. It doesn't bode well for the future of the game. I'd rather see Gooch, O'Donohue, Cillian O'Connor, Bernard Brogan allowed to be skillful than be swarmed by four hatchet men everytime they get the ball.

Quality defending a part of the game I love is also now almost non-existant. If a Keith Higgins or Mark O'Se shadows someone and stands their ground the forward just runs straight at their outstretched arm, holds the ball on the other side and pumps their legs till they get a free. No attempt to solo, minimum six steps taken and if you read the GAA rule book deliberately running at a player standing their ground is barging.
However more commonly if the tables are turned and it's two defenders tackling aggressively, the referee will generally blow for overcarrying. The man in posession has literally no option but to just let go of the ball. Their arms are trapped to their sides with two or three tacklers.
You hear glib comments about "They should teach proper tackling".
Let's be logical by the time someone has got to inter county level they know how to tackle an open ball in a one on one if required to do so. You still see the odd steal.
Today I read the gigantic problem that was ballboys has been dealt with!! I wasn't aware that ballboys were having a negative influence on our enjoyment of the game as players/supporters. Now it will take even longer for the goalies to kick the ball out.
There's another aspect of the sport that is rarely brought up as it's somehow unmanly to mention it. The sport has become too physical. Actually it's not meant to be an overly physical sport to begin with.
- Fair shoulder charge only deliberate physical contact allowed.
With even most club players now being 6 foot, fast and well built it's about time the game was really root and branch redesigned. It's a game for amateur players with jobs to go to on a Monday morning.
The amount of contact injuries from games/training games can be massively reduced while at the same time having a better game to watch.
Another aspect of the game you don't see is forwards trying to sell dummies or evade. Even in a one on one the defender is getting away with a lot of contact that by the rule book should be a free. Very common is where the forward gets past put they are pulled back by a tug of their shoulder rather than jersey. Hence forwards/defenders are locked into this no win situation of the forward just wrapping the ball up and driving at the defender.
The game should be a lot different than it is, we've grown accustomed to the very physical aspect.

Shurimgreat · 11-02-2015 06:15PM

I just don't get the ballboy issue, although having said that I never really noticed them in games. Goalies usually have a spare ball behind or beside the goal. Unless the ball goes along way wide and they have to retrieve it after kicking out the other ball.

If a ball goes over the sideline and down along the line, now the player has to retrieve it, leading to time wasting.

The whole point of ballboys in any sport is to save time wasting, either deliberately or unintentionally.

So I don't understand the reasons for removing them. They are a part of every major sport.

As for the ultra blanket, are Tyrone and Donegal due to meet this year? If so expect a dour low scoring encounter so beloved of Ulster football tacticians and hated by everyone else.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 16-02-2015 02:10PM

Mayo played Clare in a challenge game yesterday. Gavin Duffy has finally made an appearance for Mayo. Looked like an experimental team in the vein of what was tried out in the FBD league. No links except for a comment on the Mayo GAA Blog: http://mayogaablog.com/?p=16108#comment-64432

washman3 · 17-02-2015 01:57AM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Mayo played Clare in a challenge game yesterday. Gavin Duffy has finally made an appearance for Mayo. Looked like an experimental team in the vein of what was tried out in the FBD league. No links except for a comment on the Mayo GAA Blog: http://mayogaablog.com/?p=16108#comment-64432

Definitely an experimental team if Gavin Duffy was playing.
He's hardly good enough to make a good club team, actually I doubt if he would make any of the 4 teams that played in the A.I. club semis over the weekend.
Said it all when Horan went to see him playing a club game last year and left at half time. He's hardly improved that much since...!!

Kristopherus · 17-02-2015 02:01AM

washman3 wrote: »

Definitely an experimental team if Gavin Duffy was playing.
He's hardly good enough to make a good club team, actually I doubt if he would make any of the 4 teams that played in the A.I. club semis over the weekend.
Said it all when Horan went to see him playing a club game last year and left at half time. He's hardly improved that much since...!!

And I hope thats where the experiment ends. Its a daft idea to bring Duffy in.:(

washman3 · 17-02-2015 02:24AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

And I hope thats where the experiment ends. Its a daft idea to bring Duffy in.:(

Unless, on the outside chance that he could prevent Donaghy catching a high ball near the goal, something the '6 best defenders in the country' failed miserably to do last year.:(

Kristopherus · 17-02-2015 02:32AM

The Northern boy looked after Donaghy yesterday, even though it took a peno to keep him out. He was very quiet in the 2nd half.

washman3 · 17-02-2015 03:10AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

The Northern boy looked after Donaghy yesterday, even though it took a peno to keep him out. He was very quiet in the 2nd half.

He spent most of the second half outfield, even in his own half backline at times. Won 2 penalties, that number 6 was very lucky to escape a black card for the second penalty and turned out the same player had a blinder in the second half. But as a neutral, I was delighted the Derrymen won it.

davegrohl48 · 17-02-2015 08:06AM

washman3 wrote: »

Definitely an experimental team if Gavin Duffy was playing.
He's hardly good enough to make a good club team, actually I doubt if he would make any of the 4 teams that played in the A.I. club semis over the weekend.
Said it all when Horan went to see him playing a club game last year and left at half time. He's hardly improved that much since...!!

Apparently he did fine according to the person who was actually at the match. He couldn't play for Mayo because of paperwork.

davegrohl48 · 17-02-2015 08:07AM

washman3 wrote: »

Definitely an experimental team if Gavin Duffy was playing.
He's hardly good enough to make a good club team, actually I doubt if he would make any of the 4 teams that played in the A.I. club semis over the weekend.
Said it all when Horan went to see him playing a club game last year and left at half time. He's hardly improved that much since...!!

Apparently he did fine according to the person who was actually at the match. He couldn't play for Mayo because of paperwork.

KMFCross · 19-02-2015 11:33AM

Gavin Duffy has not made the Panel according to the last post on this thread:

http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=0&TopicID=91504

Always_Running · 20-02-2015 04:00PM

Ya dropped http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gavin-duffy-dropped-from-mayo-panel-having-not-played-a-competitive-game-1.2111128

Ascii · 23-02-2015 09:08PM

http://www.mayogaa.com/news/353111/Update_Mayo_Senior_Football_Panel

Can't say I am upset or surprised about Varley. IMO he was always hanging on by his finger tips. Never thought he brought much too the setup. A little surprised with Coen. Would have liked to seen a little more of him.

naughto · 23-02-2015 09:29PM

Agree with varley being dropped he didn't bring any thing to the team

MaroonAndGreen · 23-02-2015 09:58PM

That's two forwards from last year's Championship 26 out (Coen & Varley)

Management must have high hopes for Diarmuid O'Connor, Mark Ronaldson etc

MaroonAndGreen · 23-02-2015 10:10PM

Surprised to see Adam Gallagher gone too

Cosmo Kramer · 23-02-2015 10:12PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Surprised to see Adam Gallagher gone too

Just to the Under 21s though so he might be back?

MaroonAndGreen · 23-02-2015 10:14PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Just to the Under 21s though so he might be back?

Yeah true!

Panrich · 23-02-2015 10:17PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Just to the Under 21s though so he might be back?

Not too sure. Stephen Coen , O Connor, Hall and Durcan are all u21 too.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 23-02-2015 10:38PM

Varley had been floating around the previous two years, thought his best performances were in 2012 where he gave a good account of himself against Dublin and Donegal. Hadn't made a huge impact since. I think it's brave of C&H to wield the axe in relation in to Duffy, I'm disappointed I didn't get to see him in action and thought he could have brought some strength to the team but no point stringing him along if the management don't feel he has a place in the team.

I doubt Gallagher has been permanently cut from the team. I would say that C&H think he needs a bit more development at underage level. Bit more strength and conditioning. Based on his performances last year alone he won't be away for too long.

MaroonAndGreen · 23-02-2015 11:04PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Varley had been floating around the previous two years, thought his best performances were in 2012 where he gave a good account of himself against Dublin and Donegal. Hadn't made a huge impact since. I think it's brave of C&H to wield the axe in relation in to Duffy, I'm disappointed I didn't get to see him in action and thought he could have brought some strength to the team but no point stringing him along if the management don't feel he has a place in the team.

I doubt Gallagher has been permanently cut from the team. I would say that C&H think he needs a bit more development at underage level. Bit more strength and conditioning. Based on his performances last year alone he won't be away for too long.

I would have thought he'd be one of the easier players to drop considering he hasn't made a championship appearance or been involved that much?

Defiler Of The Coffin · 23-02-2015 11:15PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I would have thought he'd be one of the easier players to drop considering he hasn't made a championship appearance or been involved that much?

Given all the hype that surrounded him they could have procrastinated and given him a few appearances in the league, or at least *one* competitive outing at least. It wouldn't have been an unpopular choice. At least they are showing decisiveness, that much is encouraging.

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