Clare Daly TD

RobertKK wrote: »

Clare Daly only sees one side of the argument.

I have a close relation and she had a difficult pregnancy, she was told her baby would not live beyond 40 hours, a nurse in a Dublin hospital hinted she could go abroad and have an abortion. The person in question would not support such a decision..........

This diagnosis came from the top maternity hospital in the country. So I can't support a bill as if fatal fetal abnormalities are straight forward to diagnose.
This is how it is portrayed to the public.

I'm with you on this, if a doctor told me that my child would only have 40 hours to live then I would feel strongly about giving my baby every chance of doing so and I'd also hope that the medical attention was sufficient to make it so.

But no-one is arguing that a baby with a good chance of living 40 hours shourld not be given the chance to live longer. We all want to see that tiny baby survive, it's within our nature to see the underdog succeed and I truly hope success is in your relations future.

But that's not what this Bill by Clare Daly was about. The bill asked to change the law so women would have a choice of what they themselves wanted to do having considered their own individual circumstances, finances and their own annial incomes ability to finance the circa €250,000 it costs to raise a kid in modern day Ireland, in 2015 onwards.

conorh91 wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Clare Daly but I don't doubt her bona fides on this matter.

It's not clear why the Government won't release the AG's advice. Perhaps they are concerned about undermining the authority of the office of the AG.

If the advice were published, it could be open season on her Office. Presumably, an RTE producer would immediately field a team of former AGs or eminent senior counsel to discredit the opinion, resulting in increased pressure on the Government to legislate, or for the AG to resign.

v.good analysis in fairness Conor. Agree with you that it seems FG/Lab are protecting the integrity of the AG's office, she will weather this storm but will have to face a ton of comparisons where the AG's advice was questioned/not followed in years gone past.

Godge wrote: »

Bit strange to blame it all on FG. Only 20 voted in favour of the bill.

Only three FF TDs voted in favour - Billy Kelleher, Robert Troy and Niall Collins.
Only one Labour TD voted in favour - Anne Ferris
SF hid behind an abstention vote for fear of splits.
Clare Daly, Roisin Shortall, Mick Wallace, Ruth Coppinger, Maureen O'Sullivan, Catherine Murphy, Joan Collins, Joe Higgins, SBB would all have voted in favour, that takes us up to 13. Who are the other 7?

Noel Grealish, Michael Fitzmaurice, Michael Healy-Rae and Michael Lowry voted against. What about the other independents? Where was Lucinda? What did Shane Ross do? Stephen Donnelly? Finian McGrath? Peter Mathews? the bould Mattie McGrath? Tommy Broughan? Denis Naughten? Thomas Pringle? Billy Timmins?

Questions for all the political parties.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/d%C3%A1il-defeats-clare-daly-s-abortion-bill-1.2098098

Questions also for Clare. If so many are in favour of the principle (as I am), does the lack of support show that more believed the AG's advice? Was it all then a publicity stunt?

That list of abstentions is unreal. If anything it shows that FF-FG-Lab and SF are not in tune with 81% of the voting Irish public, this has been a bad day for anyone in Ireland who wishes to see progress beyond the barbaric situation that Irish couples are forced to go through right now. The state literally tells couples who are having baby that is going to die that they should still have it and go through the agony of everyone they know congratulating them on it before all the same people console them at the funeral. It is barbaric to put families through that and not give them a choice of what they wanted to do, that's what 104 TDs voted down today

super_furry wrote: »

Weasle tactics from Sinn Fein. Not even bothering to show up to abstain.

Not sure of which was the wind is blowing so they keep the head down and do nothing.

The Shinners are looking the exact same as all the other establishment parties on this topic. Its a real eye opener because I thought they knew which way the wind is blowing but it appears they're just as out of touch with what people want as FF/FG/Lab on this issue

K4t wrote: »

I simply had to laugh at that gormless senator's remark about how "life is full of suffering" in the clip before Daly and Pat Rabitte spoke on primetime tonight. The spirit of Mother Theresa lives on in this backward bastion of catholicism we call a republic.

I think that is Senator Fidelma Healy Eames you're talking about, the same one who didn't pay for her train ticket nor her motor tax. Not to menation that she was involved in a legal battle with a plumber who did a lot of work but his pay was disputed. Make up your own mind on Fidelma Healy Eames and her position to be commenting on moral choices in society.

Godge wrote: »

I don't actually believe this.

I believe she is actually so naive that she thought the bill had a chance, that the constitution didn't matter, that it could be ignored, that the Dail could give two fingers to the Constitution and dare the President to refer it and the Courts to shoot it down cueing outrage at judges and the President. That is actually a more dangerous way of thinking.

I dunno, we have spent way more than €290 million on tribunals, which benfitted no one expect the legal classes who then sunk their new found wealth into property disasters such as Custom House Capital, judges, barristers solicitors, many of the so called cleverst people in Ireland got fooled into 'mezzanine finance' and the FF/PD govt of the day funded their folly back in 2006 by believing that investing in 50,000sqm Ukrainian Shopping centers was the way to go.

So the moral of the story is that lawyers aren't as smart as what they would lead you to believe themselves. The vast majority of lawyers who have connections to the FF/PD/Green govt got caught with their pants down, no doubt about it, even the eejits in the Law Society thought that they were property developers and behaved as such during the Celtic Tiger with their land punts which went awkwardly sour. In short, Irish lawyers who work around the fringes of government are NOT the smartest lawyers on the block,much from this bunch of not too smart lawyers might emerge our Attorney General of the Day. This latest decision by the AG, going against the opinion of the previous AG and another 42 lawyers who have supported the billl, would appear to be more folly that will end up costing the taxpayer more lolly, yet again

Godge wrote: »

When was the last time AG's advice was published?

Cabinet Confidentiality is the answer.

I'm not sure of the exact year but Clre Daly said earlier that the AG has published their advice several times before, the precedent of it has already been set more than 30 years ago, during the 1970's, which I thin k most people would agree would have been a quite repressive time.

Yet here we are in 2o14 and Enda Kenny is refusing to let the people of Ireland listen to the advice that their taxes have paid for. The arrogance of this government is astoinishing at this stage, they're behaving as our 'betters', no doubt about it Godge