Clare Daly TD

Muahahaha

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

There is a huge difference between facts and conspiracy theories. There is no excuse for breaking the law; if these elected representatives have an issue with the use of this facility as a stopping point for US aircraft (for which they have zero proof of any wrongdoing) then they should make use of the appropriate channels.

You'd be pretty naive to believe that the US isnt using the airport to transport weapons given recent events in the Middle East where they are now fighting wars and proxy wars on multiple fronts. Do you think American weapons are showing up in Libya, Stria et al by magic or something? We already had evidence that they were transporting 'special renditions' through Shannon , i.e people destined for torture yet the Irish govt preferred to whitewash the issue and pretend it wasn't happening despite concrete evidence of CIA rented planes stopping there. The TDs in question did use the appropriate channels and got ignored by Alan Shatter.

The real issue here is the Irish govts constant refusal to check the planes. If theres nothing to hide then whats the problem? Thing is they know theres plenty to hide and they'd prefer not know. As always with FF/FG our sovereignty is for sale to whoever is willing to pay a pittance for it.

Somehow I doubt if the US would have any qualms about checking the planes of other nations as they saw fit. Double standards are applying here and its obvious for everyone to see. You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to question that but some people will always prefer to have their head stuck in the sand because they already know the truth and dont want to face it.

Muahahaha

mynamejeff wrote: »

for the third time (without you responding ) ill point out that there was a doctor and possibly a solicitor present and well as possibly other persons who weren't gardai in the station who could have "leeked "

I think its fairly clear your paranoia with regard to political policing . In no way have wallace , daly or paul murphy been subject to political policing . They have all been arrested for committing offences that would have resulted in the arrest of any one else . in fact wallace has used political influence to get out of a public order arrest in 2002 when he was still a non tax paying developer.


If you are going to ignore the facts and contuine on with your ill informed bashing of anyone but you fav criminals indymedia is thata way

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I'll refer you to my response to blackwhite when that poster also tried to claim that it was unlikely the Gardai leaked the information of her arrest

the Gardai are literally the most leaky public body there is in Ireland, and by a huge factor. In fact I cant think of one other single public body that leaks as much private information into the public domain as the Gardai do. You only have to open the pages of the Sunday World and Sindo every week, entire forests are cut down to make enough paper to print leaks from the Gardai and several crime journalists in Ireland literally make a living off it. In fact the Gardai are so leaky that during the recent Graham Dwyer murder trial a detective from Blackrock told the judge how he was furious about the amount of leaks made to the media. Luckily what was leaked by the Gardai didnt mean a mistrial was called but nonetheless it seems some members of the Gardai were more interested in making a quick few quid from a journo than they were in seeing a violent murderer locked up. Thats how bad Garda leaking is in this country.

So when the public see that Clare Daly was arrested and the information leaked to the media it comes as no surprise than an already cynical public think that the Gardai were responsible for it. Its not like they havent got form in this regard.

As I said above the Gardai are literally the most leaky public body in Ireland and by a long, long shot. No other public body comes close to them when it comes to leaks, they would even put a murder investigation in jeopardy in order to secure a couple of quid from journalists. If they'd do that you'd be pretty naive to believe that they weren't willing to leak information about a left wing TD who at the time along with whistelblowers had uncovered the biggest ever scandal in the Gardas history.

The reason I ignored your suggestion that it wasnt the Gardai but actually the solicitor or the doctor is because I didn't feel it even warranted dealing with, its just more whataboutery from you. Clare Daly earns a TDs wage and therefore doesnt qualify for free legal aid. Any solicitor present would have been her own and given how she has taken on the organs of the State I'd be shocked if she doesnt have one. Are you really suggesting that her own solicitor ratted her out? FruedianSlippers will soon be along to protect the remaining integrity of the legal proession I'm sure but the one thing I would say about solicitors and malpractice in Ireland is that when they do it they do it in spectactular fashion- fraud in the millions and stealing money from client accounts would be what I would associate with solicitors and malpractice in this country, I've never once heard of a solicitor ratting out their own client so your suggestion of it here is pretty preposterous, even more so given the solicitor would likely have been in the pay of Clare Daly and is also likely a left leaning character him or herself.

As for the doctor, a GP who operates from Kilmainham Garda station, probably gets around 20 call outs a week, the gig is likely worth at least €50,000 a year to him, especially with all the unsocial hours. But somehow you think it is more likely that the doctor put that nice easy salary at risk so he could take a few quid from a journo to rat out a TD he didn't like?

So if you want to carry on believing that it was the doctor or the solicitor that leaked it then go right ahead. But don't be surprised when an already cynical public who know well the tendency of An Garda Siochana to leak to the media see two and two and add them up to arrive at four.

blackwhite

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'll refer you to my response to blackwhite when that poster also tried to claim that it was unlikely the Gardai leaked the information of her arrest



As I said above the Gardai are literally the most leaky public body in Ireland and by a long, long shot. No other public body comes close to them when it comes to leaks, they would even put a murder investigation in jeopardy in order to secure a couple of quid from journalists. If they'd do that you'd be pretty naive to believe that they weren't willing to leak information about a left wing TD who at the time along with whistelblowers had uncovered the biggest ever scandal in the Gardas history.

The reason I ignored your suggestion that it wasnt the Gardai but actually the solicitor or the doctor is because I didn't feel it even warranted dealing with, its just more whataboutery from you. Clare Daly earns a TDs wage and therefore doesnt qualify for free legal aid. Any solicitor present would have been her own and given how she has taken on the organs of the State I'd be shocked if she doesnt have one. Are you really suggesting that her own solicitor ratted her out? FruedianSlippers will soon be along to protect the remaining integrity of the legal proession I'm sure but the one thing I would say about solicitors and malpractice in Ireland is that when they do it they do it in spectactular fashion- fraud in the millions and stealing money from client accounts would be what I would associate with solicitors and malpractice in this country, I've never once heard of a solicitor ratting out their own client so your suggestion of it here is pretty preposterous, even more so given the solicitor would likely have been in the pay of Clare Daly and is also likely a left leaning character him or herself.

As for the doctor, a GP who operates from Kilmainham Garda station, probably gets around 20 call outs a week, the gig is likely worth at least €50,000 a year to him, especially with all the unsocial hours. But somehow you think it is more likely that the doctor put that nice easy salary at risk so he could take a few quid from a journo to rat out a TD he didn't like?

So if you want to carry on believing that it was the doctor or the solicitor that leaked it then go right ahead. But don't be surprised when an already cynical public who know well the tendency of An Garda Siochana to leak to the media see two and two and add them up to arrive at four.

Loosely translated as........

It doesn't suit the agenda, so I'm going to ignore that there's a possibility that it might be what happened, and claim that my version of events is the only one even remotely possible.

Not a whole lot of point debating with anyone who lets their agenda and bias cloud everything

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'll refer you to my response to blackwhite when that poster also tried to claim that it was unlikely the Gardai leaked the information of her arrest



As I said above the Gardai are literally the most leaky public body in Ireland and by a long, long shot. No other public body comes close to them when it comes to leaks, they would even put a murder investigation in jeopardy in order to secure a couple of quid from journalists. If they'd do that you'd be pretty naive to believe that they weren't willing to leak information about a left wing TD who at the time along with whistelblowers had uncovered the biggest ever scandal in the Gardas history.

The reason I ignored your suggestion that it wasnt the Gardai but actually the solicitor or the doctor is because I didn't feel it even warranted dealing with, its just more whataboutery from you. Clare Daly earns a TDs wage and therefore doesnt qualify for free legal aid. Any solicitor present would have been her own and given how she has taken on the organs of the State I'd be shocked if she doesnt have one. Are you really suggesting that her own solicitor ratted her out? FruedianSlippers will soon be along to protect the remaining integrity of the legal proession I'm sure but the one thing I would say about solicitors and malpractice in Ireland is that when they do it they do it in spectactular fashion- fraud in the millions and stealing money from client accounts would be what I would associate with solicitors and malpractice in this country, I've never once heard of a solicitor ratting out their own client so your suggestion of it here is pretty preposterous, even more so given the solicitor would likely have been in the pay of Clare Daly and is also likely a left leaning character him or herself.

As for the doctor, a GP who operates from Kilmainham Garda station, probably gets around 20 call outs a week, the gig is likely worth at least €50,000 a year to him, especially with all the unsocial hours. But somehow you think it is more likely that the doctor put that nice easy salary at risk so he could take a few quid from a journo to rat out a TD he didn't like?

So if you want to carry on believing that it was the doctor or the solicitor that leaked it then go right ahead. But don't be surprised when an already cynical public who know well the tendency of An Garda Siochana to leak to the media see two and two and add them up to arrive at four.

I mean, if we are making accusations based on form, Clare Daly has quite the form for getting her name in the paper for anything and everything.

mynamejeff

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'll refer you to my response to blackwhite when that poster also tried to claim that it was unlikely the Gardai leaked the information of her arrest



As I said above the Gardai are literally the most leaky public body in Ireland and by a long, long shot. No other public body comes close to them when it comes to leaks, they would even put a murder investigation in jeopardy in order to secure a couple of quid from journalists. If they'd do that you'd be pretty naive to believe that they weren't willing to leak information about a left wing TD who at the time along with whistelblowers had uncovered the biggest ever scandal in the Gardas history.

The reason I ignored your suggestion that it wasnt the Gardai but actually the solicitor or the doctor is because I didn't feel it even warranted dealing with, its just more whataboutery from you. Clare Daly earns a TDs wage and therefore doesnt qualify for free legal aid. Any solicitor present would have been her own and given how she has taken on the organs of the State I'd be shocked if she doesnt have one. Are you really suggesting that her own solicitor ratted her out? FruedianSlippers will soon be along to protect the remaining integrity of the legal proession I'm sure but the one thing I would say about solicitors and malpractice in Ireland is that when they do it they do it in spectactular fashion- fraud in the millions and stealing money from client accounts would be what I would associate with solicitors and malpractice in this country, I've never once heard of a solicitor ratting out their own client so your suggestion of it here is pretty preposterous, even more so given the solicitor would likely have been in the pay of Clare Daly and is also likely a left leaning character him or herself.

As for the doctor, a GP who operates from Kilmainham Garda station, probably gets around 20 call outs a week, the gig is likely worth at least €50,000 a year to him, especially with all the unsocial hours. But somehow you think it is more likely that the doctor put that nice easy salary at risk so he could take a few quid from a journo to rat out a TD he didn't like?

So if you want to carry on believing that it was the doctor or the solicitor that leaked it then go right ahead. But don't be surprised when an already cynical public who know well the tendency of An Garda Siochana to leak to the media see two and two and add them up to arrive at four.

I think your laboring under some misconceptions with this whole thing.
1. that gardai would risk their jobs for a few quid from a journ, a garda can be fired and or jailed for speaking to the media in any way . (An garda siochana Act 2005)
2. the average garda doesnt care that much about whistle blowers because most of what they are highlighting relates to senior management not the garda on the street.
3, any solicitor may have been contacted not just her own.
4. the facilities for doctors are based on the caredoc system and not one single doctor. most of these doctors are non nationals and only get paid by the company they work for.
5.when wallace tried to allege that gardai werent cooperation with her complaint about the arrest he was proved to be telling lies to stoke up some media attention for daly. ever consider that she "leaked " the story her self for the attention ?

Muahahaha

blackwhite wrote: »

Loosely translated as........

It doesn't suit the agenda, so I'm going to ignore that there's a possibility that it might be what happened, and claim that my version of events is the only one even remotely possible.

Not a whole lot of point debating with anyone who lets their agenda and bias cloud everything

I never claimed it not to be remotely possible, only that it is highly unlikely that Clare Dalys own solicitor or the GP leaked it. In the face of the most leak prone organisation in the entire State if you were asking Paddy Power for odds who leaked it the Gardai would be unbackable. An organisation who leaks dozens of crime stories on a weekly basis is obviously the prime suspect here, even if your blinkers prevent you from seeing it

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I mean, if we are making accusations based on form, Clare Daly has quite the form for getting her name in the paper for anything and everything.

Well you're a Garda and one of the tools of your trade when identifying suspects is to use past performance to partially form an opinion of likelihoods of 'who done it'. Its not the only tool of the trade but it does play a part in any investigation of a suspect, a tendency to commit a crime in the past makes one more likely to do so in the future. Both of us know that the allegations of the Garda leaking her arrest are never going to be proven for or against so all we can do on a public discussion board is examine what is more likely. I'm claiming that given how leaky an organisation AGS is then it follows logically that it is way, way more likely that the Gardai leaked it and can now hide behind journalist privledge of protecting their sources if need be, i.e they cant be caught. The leaks came from somewhere Little CuChullain, where do you think it is most likely they came from?

mynamejeff wrote: »

I think your laboring under some misconceptions with this whole thing.
1. that gardai would risk their jobs for a few quid from a journ, a garda can be fired and or jailed for speaking to the media in any way . (An garda siochana Act 2005)
Gardai 'risk their jobs' everyday of the week leaking to the media, entire journalists careers are based on it so some Gardai must be 'risking their jobs' to do so.
2. the average garda doesnt care that much about whistle blowers because most of what they are highlighting relates to senior management not the garda on the street. Not true, some members of AGS have seen fit to intimidate Garda Maurice McCabe, they pinned a rat to his door and also tried to set him up with a child pornography allegation
3, any solicitor may have been contacted not just her own. true but you get a phone call so shes hardly going to ask for the Golden Pages rather than contacting her own solicitor, someone who she knows and trusts
4. the facilities for doctors are based on the caredoc system and not one single doctor. most of these doctors are non nationals and only get paid by the company they work for. A non national doctor is a lot less likely to even know that Clare Daly is a TD compared to an Irish doctor, making your theory even more remote than it was before
5.when wallace tried to allege that gardai werent cooperation with her complaint about the arrest he was proved to be telling lies to stoke up some media attention Link?for daly. ever consider that she "leaked " the story her self for the attention ? How would her being accused of drink driving and all the negative connotations associated with drink driving be for her own benefit? You're clutching at straws now and missing them

mynamejeff

not really much point in trying to converse with someone who has made up his mind in advance.

in future you should look at the evidence and see what is proved and what isnt before you make you mind up.

it will save you from looking so silly in the future

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well you're a Garda and one of the tools of your trade when identifying suspects is to use past performance to partially form an opinion of likelihoods of 'who done it'. Its not the only tool of the trade but it does play a part in any investigation of a suspect, a tendency to commit a crime in the past makes one more likely to do so in the future.

Let's get something straight here, you are the one that made the accusation based on historic events. I just followed your example.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Both of us know that the allegations of the Garda leaking her arrest are never going to be proven for or against so all we can do on a public discussion board is examine what is more likely. I'm claiming that given how leaky an organisation AGS is then it follows logically that it is way, way more likely that the Gardai leaked it and can now hide behind journalist privledge of protecting their sources if need be, i.e they cant be caught. The leaks came from somewhere Little CuChullain, where do you think it is most likely they came from?

Given that she was under the limit and Gardaí are very adept at making assessments of how intoxicated a person is, I would imagine by the time she gave the sample it would have been obvious that she would likely have come back under the limit. So I fail to see what benefit it would be to leak it. It would hardly blacken her name that she came back under the limit.

Even if they assumed she was over the limit, court prosecutions are in public. Her crime would have been known anyway. What would be the point in leaking it a few weeks early?

See I know what the problem is. You are probably one of these people, like Daly and Ming, who thing their actions have sent shockwaves through the force and Gardaí do nothing but fume about penalty points and whistleblowers dreaming about the good old days. The fact is most Gardaí don't care. They weren't around for those days. Their feelings towards Daly border on the indifferent. The only effect these things have had on the vast amount Gardaí is extra paperwork and red tape. Gardaí don't sit around thinking about how great it would be to get Daly, they just laugh about her and Wallace making a fool of themselves, like with their recent claims, made under Dáil privilege of course.

There is just no motive for a Garda to leak her info. There is no gain that would be worth the risk. And it would be a risk because a leak that close to the event could only have come from a small number of Gardaí. Easily traceable.

Arsemageddon

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

There is a huge difference between facts and conspiracy theories. There is no excuse for breaking the law; if these elected representatives have an issue with the use of this facility as a stopping point for US aircraft (for which they have zero proof of any wrongdoing) then they should make use of the appropriate channels.

The trouble with the idea that the appropriate channels be used is that Ireland had adopted a policy of looking the other way with regard to US military and intelligence services planes using Shannon. Planes have not been inspected at all. This is frequently mentioned in the WikiLeaks US embassy cables.

There is extensive evidence for rendition flights using Shannon...
http://www.therenditionproject.org.uk/global-rendition/the-flights/index.html

European Parliament report in 2007 points out the failings in the Irish monitoring of such flights...
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+IM-PRESS+20070209IPR02947+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

Irish Human Rights Commission report on rendition flights here...
http://www.ihrec.ie/download/pdf/ihrc_rendition_report_final.pdf



There is also the blatant case of an AC-130 openly displaying weaponry at Shannon...
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/30mm-cannon-on-us-plane-at-shannon-246773.html

FreudianSlippers

Arsemageddon wrote: »

The trouble with the idea that the appropriate channels be used is that Ireland had adopted a policy of looking the other way with regard to US military and intelligence services planes using Shannon. Planes have not been inspected at all. This is frequently mentioned in the WikiLeaks US embassy cables.

There is extensive evidence for rendition flights using Shannon...
http://www.therenditionproject.org.uk/global-rendition/the-flights/index.html

European Parliament report in 2007 points out the failings in the Irish monitoring of such flights...
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+IM-PRESS+20070209IPR02947+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

Irish Human Rights Commission report on rendition flights here...
http://www.ihrec.ie/download/pdf/ihrc_rendition_report_final.pdf



There is also the blatant case of an AC-130 openly displaying weaponry at Shannon...
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/30mm-cannon-on-us-plane-at-shannon-246773.html

The correct thing to do is to sue Ireland then, not break into a secure area at an airport. The fact that crime is so frequently justified by people in this country because it doesn't impact them personally is a scary reality.

davycc

Muahahaha wrote: »

You'd be pretty naive to believe that the US isnt using the airport to transport weapons given recent events in the Middle East where they are now fighting wars and proxy wars on multiple fronts. Do you think American weapons are showing up in Libya, Stria et al by magic or something? We already had evidence that they were transporting 'special renditions' through Shannon , i.e people destined for torture yet the Irish govt preferred to whitewash the issue and pretend it wasn't happening despite concrete evidence of CIA rented planes stopping there. The TDs in question did use the appropriate channels and got ignored by Alan Shatter.

The real issue here is the Irish govts constant refusal to check the planes. If theres nothing to hide then whats the problem? Thing is they know theres plenty to hide and they'd prefer not know. As always with FF/FG our sovereignty is for sale to whoever is willing to pay a pittance for it.

Somehow I doubt if the US would have any qualms about checking the planes of other nations as they saw fit. Double standards are applying here and its obvious for everyone to see. You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to question that but some people will always prefer to have their head stuck in the sand because they already know the truth and dont want to face it.

great post spot on:) im only catching up with the rest of this thread now

Muahahaha

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Even if they assumed she was over the limit, court prosecutions are in public. Her crime would have been known anyway. What would be the point in leaking it a few weeks early?

Because mud sticks and Clare Daly had by that stage already damaged the reputation of AGS. A bit like Mick Wallace and him driving whilst talking on the phone- what was the point in such a minor incident making its way from a uniformed member of AGS all the way up to the Commissioner to the Minister for Justice? It was done because AGS and the Minister thought they could throw a bit of mud to see would it stick. In Wallaces case it backfired in a spectacular fashion, in Dalys case her reputation was clearly on the line with the allegation as we all know there are negative connotations associated with being found guilty of drink driving.

See I know what the problem is. You are probably one of these people, like Daly and Ming, who thing their actions have sent shockwaves through the force and Gardaí do nothing but fume about penalty points and whistleblowers dreaming about the good old days. The fact is most Gardaí don't care. They weren't around for those days. Their feelings towards Daly border on the indifferent. The only effect these things have had on the vast amount Gardaí is extra paperwork and red tape. Gardaí don't sit around thinking about how great it would be to get Daly, they just laugh about her and Wallace making a fool of themselves, like with their recent claims, made under Dáil privilege of course.

There is just no motive for a Garda to leak her info. There is no gain that would be worth the risk. And it would be a risk because a leak that close to the event could only have come from a small number of Gardaí. Easily traceable.

'One of these people' lol, the main thing I have in common with Daly is that I want to see a fully functioning AGS where citizens can be assured of getting justice for crimes committed, which at the moment is seriously in question due to malpractice, corruption and incompetence within the ranks of AGS. My opinions are shared by the vast, vast majority of people in this country so if I am 'one of these people' according to you then I'm proud to have stood up for what is right and moral unlike some people on this thread who go to extraordinary lengths to bury their head in the sand and claim that all is a-okay with AGS and sure Clare Daly is just a left wing looper.

The events of the last 18 months clearly show that Clare Daly is on to something here and now this week she is managing to STILL be a major thorn in the side of AGS with the latest allegation that a member of AGS murdered a civilian which was then covered up. So if this latest allegation is true and if the Garda who blew the whistle turns out to be credible we now have a situation whereby the Gardai are willing to murder civilians and then deny them justice. These are very serious matters indeed and I for one applaud TDs like Clare Daly for ensuring that they don't get away with it.

In any case you never answered my question regarding the leak of her drink driving arrest. Who do you think was more likely that leaked the information of her arrest on drink driving
1) A member(s) of the Gardai
2) The GP
3) Her own solicitor

THE GARDA COMMISSIONER has said she is not aware of any incident in which a member of the force witnessed a colleague shooting a civilian dead.
The alleged incident was raised by Independent TD Clare Daly who said the garda said to have witnessed the murder was told by his superiors to say he wasn’t present.
She said this garda wrote a letter to the Taoiseach about the case last year and it was passed on to a review panel to examine 300 claims of corruption in the force.

http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-clare-daly-2073542-Apr2015/

Muahahaha

mynamejeff wrote: »

not really much point in trying to converse with someone who has made up his mind in advance.

in future you should look at the evidence and see what is proved and what isnt before you make you mind up.

it will save you from looking so silly in the future

I addressed all of your points and this was your comeback which smacks of a meek defeat. If you cant debate or don't know how to I'm not sure what you're even doing on a discussion board in the first place. I'd suggest you're the one looking silly now- no-where did I say the AGS leaked the Daly info for 100% certain- I only ever spoke of what who is the most likely leaker. You seem to have your head in the sand and are engaging in tactics of whataboutery- 'hey everyone-look over there- it was probably the GP or her own solicitor!' but you have nothing to back this up with. You went on to tell me how the GP was likely a non-national and I responded to say then that makes your theory of the GP leaking even more remote than it was before. I demonstrated how AGS is the most leaky public body on this entire island and you have zero response to that, most likely because you know full well that I am right and doing so would only serve to make you look even more silly on this thread than you do at the moment.

mynamejeff

Muahahaha wrote: »

I addressed all of your points and this was your comeback which smacks of a meek defeat. If you cant debate or don't know how to I'm not sure what you're even doing on a discussion board in the first place. I'd suggest you're the one looking silly now- no-where did I say the AGS leaked the Daly info for 100% certain- I only ever spoke of what who is the most likely leaker. You seem to have your head in the sand and are engaging in tactics of whataboutery- 'hey everyone-look over there- it was probably the GP or her own solicitor!' but you have nothing to back this up with. You went on to tell me how the GP was likely a non-national and I responded to say then that makes your theory of the GP leaking even more remote than it was before. I demonstrated how AGS is the most leaky public body on this entire island and you have zero response to that, most likely because you know full well that I am right and doing so would only serve to make you look even more silly on this thread than you do at the moment.

tell you what ? lets see one shred of proof, evidence or even fact to back up dalys wild claims. about leaking information or murders by the gardai and ill think about reengaging with you on you blind crusade to glorify the militant left.
so far all she has done is shout across the dail floor and talk to journalists without producing the proof she claims to have.

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Because mud sticks and Clare Daly had by that stage already damaged the reputation of AGS. A bit like Mick Wallace and him driving whilst talking on the phone- what was the point in such a minor incident making its way from a uniformed member of AGS all the way up to the Commissioner to the Minister for Justice? It was done because AGS and the Minister thought they could throw a bit of mud to see would it stick. In Wallaces case it backfired in a spectacular fashion, in Dalys case her reputation was clearly on the line with the allegation as we all know there are negative connotations associated with being found guilty of drink driving. /

You only quoted a single line and ignored the rest of my post in order to argue against that single line. Like I said, I fail to see what benefit it would have to leak her arrest if she was under the limit or even if she was over. Mud may stick but Daly wasn't drink driving so what stuck exactly?

Muahahaha wrote: »

'One of these people' lol, the main thing I have in common with Daly is that I want to see a fully functioning AGS where citizens can be assured of getting justice for crimes committed, which at the moment is seriously in question due to malpractice, corruption and incompetence within the ranks of AGS. My opinions are shared by the vast, vast majority of people in this country so if I am 'one of these people' according to you then I'm proud to have stood up for what is right and moral unlike some people on this thread who go to extraordinary lengths to bury their head in the sand and claim that all is a-okay with AGS and sure Clare Daly is just a left wing looper. /

None of this relates in any way to what I said.

Muahahaha wrote: »

The events of the last 18 months clearly show that Clare Daly is on to something here and now this week she is managing to STILL be a major thorn in the side of AGS with the latest allegation that a member of AGS murdered a civilian which was then covered up. So if this latest allegation is true and if the Garda who blew the whistle turns out to be credible we now have a situation whereby the Gardai are willing to murder civilians and then deny them justice. These are very serious matters indeed and I for one applaud TDs like Clare Daly for ensuring that they don't get away with it.

In any case you never answered my question regarding the leak of her drink driving arrest. Who do you think was more likely that leaked the information of her arrest on drink driving
1) A member(s) of the Gardai
2) The GP
3) Her own solicitor




http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-clare-daly-2073542-Apr2015/

It seems fairly obvious that nobody has a notion what Daly is talking about. And Daly doesn't seem to want to fill anyone in either. So until she produces something a little more solid, I doubt there will be much movement on this issue. Why doesn't she report it to GSOC? They are the ones to investigate these allegations. Why is she trying to get politicians and the commissioner involved? Is political interference in a serious investigation not something she is against?

Muahahaha

mynamejeff wrote: »

tell you what ? lets see one shred of proof, evidence or even fact to back up dalys wild claims. about leaking information or murders by the gardai and ill think about reengaging with you on you blind crusade to glorify the militant left.
so far all she has done is shout across the dail floor and talk to journalists without producing the proof she claims to have.

Spoken like a true Fine Gaeler :rolleyes:

Carry on hoping and praying that it was the non-national GP who leaked it to the media, or her own solicitor, whatever floats your boat. The more you dig the more daft you're looking on here because anyone who follows any recent issues with AGS knows full well how much they leak to the media, the Sunday World wouldnt exist without their leaks, they couldnt even keep their gobs shut to ensure the Graham Dwyer murder triel went ahead without being put in jeopardy by Gardai leaking to the media. Yet you expect people here to believe that it was more likely that it was the GP or her own solicitor that leaked it. Thats a fair hole you've dug yourself into there, well done on that.

Muahahaha

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You only quoted a single line and ignored the rest of my post in order to argue against that single line. Like I said, I fail to see what benefit it would have to leak her arrest if she was under the limit or even if she was over. Mud may stick but Daly wasn't drink driving so what stuck exactly?

Glad to see you agree that I'm right when I said mud sticks, which was the entire point of the exercise- to blacken her name. Her name was blackened in the media for several weeks until the test results came back negative. So mud was thrown and mud sticked, she has a defamation case ongoing now to that effect.

It seems fairly obvious that nobody has a notion what Daly is talking about. And Daly doesn't seem to want to fill anyone in either. So until she produces something a little more solid, I doubt there will be much movement on this issue. Why doesn't she report it to GSOC? They are the ones to investigate these allegations. Why is she trying to get politicians and the commissioner involved? Is political interference in a serious investigation not something she is against?

The Garda whistleblower who reported the cover up of the murder clearly has an allegation to make and he made it more than 12 months ago yet the powers that be have yet to investigate it properly. She used her Dail privledge to fire a shot across the bows of the DoJ that this whistleblower hasnt been forgotten about.
The very fact Noirin O'Sullivan is claiming that she hasnt got a clue about this case is beginning to show her as being either not up to the job as Commissioner or else asleep at the wheel. A murder allegation is pretty serious and a murder committed by a Garda on a civilian and then covered up is about as serious as it gets. The fact that this has been reported through the right channels (i.e. a TD) and nothing has been done about it seems to suggest that AGS and the DoJ are far from reforming themselves, despite the obvious need to do so. If the public can't trust AGS I really don't know where we are at.

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Spoken like a true Fine Gaeler :rolleyes:

Spoken like someone who has nothing of worth to say. :rolleyes:

Muahahaha wrote: »

Glad to see you agree that I'm right when I said mud sticks, which was the entire point of the exercise- to blacken her name. Her name was blackened in the media for several weeks until the test results came back negative. So mud was thrown and mud sticked, she has a defamation case ongoing now to that effect.

Aye, mud sticks. It's a tactic Daly and Wallace regularly use. I doubt she has a defamation case. You can't defame someone with the truth. She has a complaint with the data commissioner and GSOC though.

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Garda whistleblower who reported the cover up of the murder clearly has an allegation to make and he made it more than 12 months ago yet the powers that be have yet to investigate it properly. She used her Dail privledge to fire a shot across the bows of the DoJ that this whistleblower hasnt been forgotten about.
The very fact Noirin O'Sullivan is claiming that she hasnt got a clue about this case is beginning to show her as being either not up to the job as Commissioner or else asleep at the wheel. A murder allegation is pretty serious and a murder committed by a Garda on a civilian and then covered up is about as serious as it gets. The fact that this has been reported through the right channels (i.e. a TD) and nothing has been done about it seems to suggest that AGS and the DoJ are far from reforming themselves, despite the obvious need to do so. If the public can't trust AGS I really don't know where we are at.

But it wasn't reported to the commissioner, or to the minister for justice. It was allegedly put in a letter to the Taoiseach along with many other allegations, all of which were passed to a third party to be analysed, not investigated. It hasn't actually been reported to any investigative body.

So I'll ask you, if there was a serious allegation, why was it not reported to GSOC, the organisation tasked with investigating Garda misconduct, either by Daly or the Garda? Why is Daly using it as a political football instead of bringing it to the correct authority?

Muahahaha

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Aye, mud sticks. It's a tactic Daly and Wallace regularly use. I doubt she has a defamation case. You can't defame someone with the truth. She has a complaint with the data commissioner and GSOC though.

Nice to see you agree I was right. Not sure what you mean about Daly and Wallace using it as a tactic, they having been running rings around AGS for over 18 months now, they're the ones who have exposed certain members of the force as incompetent & corrupt. We even see PJ Stone moaning today about how Daly is "sullying the good name of the Gardai" which is pretty laughable- you need to have a good name to begin with and clearly AGS do not have that in this country. Need we go back all the way to them planting bombs and weapons and attempting to frame Frank McBrearty for murder. So perhaps in PJ Stones deluded mind AGS have a good name but the public at large know better- not because we're a bunch of conspiracy theorists but because of years of concrete evidence of Garda malpractice and corruption, that much is obvious.

But it wasn't reported to the commissioner, or to the minister for justice. It was allegedly put in a letter to the Taoiseach along with many other allegations, all of which were passed to a third party to be analysed, not investigated. It hasn't actually been reported to any investigative body.

So I'll ask you, if there was a serious allegation, why was it not reported to GSOC, the organisation tasked with investigating Garda misconduct, either by Daly or the Garda? Why is Daly using it as a political football instead of bringing it to the correct authority?

Says who? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Daly has knowledge of a murder by a Garda and didnt forward it to the appropiate channels? Also you clearly have a deficit of knowledge of the Garda Act in respect of whistleblowers- the Garda did the correct thing reporting it to a TD and that facility is specifically in the Garda Act- Michael McDowell said he put it there literally because he couldn't trust the Gardai and had to find a way for Garda whistleblowers to blow the whistle without fear of a cover up. As it is it seems we have yet another cover up on the go here and the DoJ and Commissioner are at sixes and sevens yet again. Its a very serious allegation a Garda murdering a civilian so it needs to be taken seriously, yet your default position on here is trying to sleight Clare Daly. Why aren't you calling for the allegation to be investigated? Surely if a Garda has murdered someone then it warrants investigation yet you seem to be more interested in attacking the messenger.

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Nice to see you agree I was right. Not sure what you mean about Daly and Wallace using it as a tactic, they having been running rings around AGS for over 18 months now, they're the ones who have exposed certain members of the force as incompetent & corrupt. We even see PJ Stone moaning today about how Daly is "sullying the good name of the Gardai" which is pretty laughable- you need to have a good name to begin with and clearly AGS do not have that in this country. Need we go back all the way to them planting bombs and weapons and attempting to frame Frank McBrearty for murder. So perhaps in PJ Stones deluded mind AGS have a good name but the public at large know better- not because we're a bunch of conspiracy theorists but because of years of concrete evidence of Garda malpractice and corruption, that much is obvious.

I'd say h was referring to the antics of the pair last week. Presenting a two year old letter as a current issue.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Says who? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Daly has knowledge of a murder by a Garda and didnt forward it to the appropiate channels? Also you clearly have a deficit of knowledge of the Garda Act in respect of whistleblowers- the Garda did the correct thing reporting it to a TD and that facility is specifically in the Garda Act- Michael McDowell said he put it there literally because he couldn't trust the Gardai and had to find a way for Garda whistleblowers to blow the whistle without fear of a cover up. As it is it seems we have yet another cover up on the go here and the DoJ and Commissioner are at sixes and sevens yet again. Its a very serious allegation a Garda murdering a civilian so it needs to be taken seriously, yet your default position on here is trying to sleight Clare Daly. Why aren't you calling for the allegation to be investigated? Surely if a Garda has murdered someone then it warrants investigation yet you seem to be more interested in attacking the messenger.

The Act has been amended to allow Gardaí to report issues to GSOC and to provide GSOC with more investigative powers. They are responsible for investigating Garda misconduct. The reason I am slating Daly is because I think she is a liar who will say whatever she can to make a headline. I'm prepared to reassess that position of she produces anything of substance.

Muahahaha

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'd say h was referring to the antics of the pair last week. Presenting a two year old letter as a current issue.



The Act has been amended to allow Gardaí to report issues to GSOC and to provide GSOC with more investigative powers. They are responsible for investigating Garda misconduct. The reason I am slating Daly is because I think she is a liar who will say whatever she can to make a headline. I'm prepared to reassess that position of she produces anything of substance.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. For what its worth I'm doubting a Garda has just made up spurious allegations that he witnessed one of his colleagues killing a civilian. It might transpire in time that it wasnt murder but manslaughter but irrespective of that I believe someone is dead here which in itself deserves investigation. The allegation was contained in the tranche of 300 separate allegations delivered to the DoJ so it seems surprising to say the least that it wasn't fast tracked for investigation given the seriousness of the matter. In any case time will tell.

mynamejeff

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. For what its worth I'm doubting a Garda has just made up spurious allegations that he witnessed one of his colleagues killing a civilian. It might transpire in time that it wasnt murder but manslaughter but irrespective of that I believe someone is dead here which in itself deserves investigation. The allegation was contained in the tranche of 300 separate allegations delivered to the DoJ so it seems surprising to say the least that it wasn't fast tracked for investigation given the seriousness of the matter. In any case time will tell.

you seem to have no problem believing the gardai to be liar thief's and murders but doubt thy could make up a story for daly to get her name in the papers again for a day ?

still no proof of evidence surfacing by the way .......

Santa Cruz

Where did Daly get that accent? Perhaps she could tell RTE so th ey could send some of the Fair City crowd trying to be Dublin working class for lessons

davycc

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Where did Daly get that accent? Perhaps she could tell RTE so th ey could send some of the Fair City crowd trying to be Dublin working class for lessons

such blatant and idiotic snobbery :rolleyes: is that you joan bruton

Seth Brundle

davycc wrote: »

such blatant and idiotic snobbery :rolleyes: is that you joan bruton

If you are going to try and get a dig at Joan Burton, at least get her name correct!

davycc

kbannon wrote: »

If you are going to try and get a dig at Joan Burton, at least get her name correct!

meh speeeelingr not my srtong point:rolleyes:
why are you so touchy about that thatcherite witch?

FreudianSlippers

davycc wrote: »

meh speeeelingr not my srtong point:rolleyes:
why are you so touchy about that thatcherite witch?

Burton is in the Labour party; how could she be at all considered Thatcherite?

I'm a Thatcherite in terms of political views... I'd never vote for that clown Burton.

Seth Brundle

davycc wrote: »

meh speeeelingr not my srtong point:rolleyes:
why are you so touchy about that thatcherite witch?

Touchy? I merely pointed out an error.
However, I guess I'm fed up with so many online nay-sayers who bitch and moan but never put forward any realistic alternatives. In this instance, Joan had nothing to do with the conversation but someone who has a gripe with the current administration felt the need to make it known in a thread about Clare Daly; it gets tiring rather quickly.

johnnyskeleton

davycc wrote: »

meh speeeelingr not my srtong point:rolleyes:
why are you so touchy about that thatcherite witch?

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