Clare Daly TD

Baggy Trousers

Roselyn Flat Curve wrote: »

No...I just hope she doesn't pay and gets locked up in clover hill for 30 days.

Well it will certainly increase her chances of re-election, that's for sure.

blackwhite

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

BS and you know it. Did you even read the statement. It was political policing and selective treatment.
The Garda Ombudsman is investigating this matter.

Political policing would be allowing her to drive off after failing to provide a sample, or allowing her to continue on her way after making an illegal turn.

Are you another of those who believes that opposition TDs should be above the law, just because they are "standing up to de establishment"?

Baggy Trousers

blackwhite wrote: »

Political policing would be allowing her to drive off after failing to provide a sample, or allowing her to continue on her way after making an illegal turn.

Are you another of those who believes that opposition TDs should be above the law, just because they are "standing up to de establishment"?

Nein, they wouldn't dare do what they did to Daly to any FF/FG/Lab or SF TD.
They went after her because she was defending the whistleblowers.

mynamejeff

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Nein, they wouldn't dare do what they did to Daly to any FF/FG/Lab or SF TD.
They went after her because she was defending the whistleblowers.

Jim Mcdaid FF pat buckley sinn fein pj sheehen FG to name a few would seem to prove you wrong there.


might just be that she was in the wrong and shouldn't have committed a road traffic offence (Uturn)

Baggy Trousers

mynamejeff wrote: »

Jim Mcdaid FF pat buckley sinn fein pj sheehen FG to name a few would seem to prove you wrong there.


might just be that she was in the wrong and shouldn't have committed a road traffic offence (Uturn)

Were they breathalysed? Were they handcuffed within 300m of a Garda station? Were they told to "come back when you are sober"?

blackwhite

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Nein, they wouldn't dare do what they did to Daly to any FF/FG/Lab or SF TD.
They went after her because she was defending the whistleblowers.

In this case I assume you can point us to the Garda who force fed her a hot whiskey, and then tricked her into making an illegal turn.


And BTW, a 30 second google can turn up the following list from when FF were in power; all arrested and charged for drink driving:
GV Wright
Jim McDaid
Christy O'Sullivan
Liam Lawlor :eek: (this was in 1999, before he was forced out of the party)

mynamejeff

ya they most likely were , why is it so hard for you to say your wrong ?
you know if your so worried about the leak to the press did you ever think that the doc who took the sample might not have liked her and made a phone call.

Baggy Trousers

Were they breathalysed (with no result) and then handcuffed within 300m of a Garda station? Were they then placed in a cell? Were they told to ‘come back when you are sober’?

blackwhite

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Were they breathalysed and then handcuffed within 300m of a Garda station? Were they placed in a cell? Were they told to ‘come back when you are sober’?

For the bits in bold, almost certainly yes - although unlike Daly they didn't feel the need to regale the world with every detail of their incarceration. All are standard procedure for when someone is suspected of drink driving, and then fails a roadside test (and not providing an adequate sample is considered to be a roadside fail).

As for what Daly alleges was said to her - unprofessional if true, but unproven - but then again we've no idea what was, or wasn't said to the other TDs who've fallen foul of our drink-driving laws. They rest actually showed a little bit of shame about the fact that they'd broken the law.

Baggy Trousers

blackwhite wrote: »

For the bits in bold, almost certainly yes - although unlike Daly they didn't feel the need to regale the world with every detail of their incarceration. All are standard procedure for when someone is suspected of drink driving, and then fails a roadside test (and not providing an adequate sample is considered to be a roadside fail).

As for what Daly alleges was said to her - unprofessional if true, but unproven - but then again we've no idea what was, or wasn't said to the other TDs who've fallen foul of our drink-driving laws. They rest actually showed a little bit of shame about the fact that they'd broken the law.

Nonsense, you would be seething if you were treated like Clare Daly for doing an illegal U-turn in Dublin. The breathalyser didn't even register a result. It wasn't like she would skip the country or couldn't be found (clue: the Dáil) - she was/is a TD. She could have driven her car 300m to the station. Why were the handcuffs needed? The Gardaí were after her and you know bloody well they were. Cop yourself on and let's see what the Ombudsman says.

Phoebas

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Nonsense, you would be seething if you were treated like Clare Daly for doing an illegal U-turn in Dublin. The breathalyser didn't even register a result. It wasn't like she would skip the country or couldn't be found (clue: the Dáil) - she was/is a TD. She could have driven her car 300m to the station. Why were the handcuffs needed? The Gardaí were after her and you know bloody well they were. Cop yourself on and let's see what the Ombudsman says.

Somebody suspected of drink driving should have been allowed drive to the station??? :eek:

Baggy Trousers

Phoebas wrote: »

Somebody suspected of drink driving should have been allowed drive to the station??? :eek:

She was stopped for a U-turn. The breathalyser did not register any alcohol.

mynamejeff

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Nonsense, you would be seething if you were treated like Clare Daly for doing an illegal U-turn in Dublin. The breathalyser didn't even register a result. It wasn't like she would skip the country or couldn't be found (clue: the Dáil) - she was/is a TD. She could have driven her car 300m to the station. Why were the handcuffs needed? The Gardaí were after her and you know bloody well they were. Cop yourself on and let's see what the Ombudsman says.

even after pointing out a number of holes in your argument you still blank the facts , clearly your not capable of looking at the facts without your own slant on it. Or is it that you dont think she should have to abide b the laws like every one else ?
Daley admitted to doing an illegal u turn and according to the 2010 RTA she can (and technically must ) be breathalyzed,
the device didnt register a zero result, it gave a no reading (Which can happen when the person still has alcohol or some other substance in their mouth)
Accordingly and in line with both the law and procedure she was arrested and brought to a station to obtain a proper sample .
anyone who is arrested is generally handcuffed , how can you know what some one you suspect to be under the influence of and intoxicant will do?

Baggy Trousers

mynamejeff wrote: »

even after pointing out a number of holes in your argument you still blank the facts , clearly your not capable of looking at the facts without your own slant on it. Or is it that you dont think she should have to abide b the laws like every one else ?
Daley admitted to doing an illegal u turn and according to the 2010 RTA she can (and technically must ) be breathalyzed,
the device didnt register a zero result, it gave a no reading (Which can happen when the person still has alcohol or some other substance in their mouth)
Accordingly and in line with both the law and procedure she was arrested and brought to a station to obtain a proper sample .
anyone who is arrested is generally handcuffed , how can you know what some one you suspect to be under the influence of and intoxicant will do?

Would Shatter have been treated that way?

A GARDA report filed on the incident in which Alan Shatter was stopped at a drink-drive checkpoint has gone missing, the Irish Independent has learnt.

An informed source has revealed the garda who stopped Mr Shatter felt he was not fully co-operative.

She was also asked by the then Fine Gael frontbench spokesman: "Don't you know who I am?"

Mr Shatter faces a motion of no confidence in the Dail this evening.

New evidence has emerged that apparently shows Mr Shatter, contrary to his claim, did not say he was asthmatic and was therefore unable to complete the breath test.

Information made available to the Irish Independent about the incident about five years ago appears to contradict Mr Shatter's version of events.

Informed sources familiar with the case say that the now Justice Minister:

* Said nothing about being asthmatic, preventing him completing the test.

* Intimated to the garda that it was unconstitutional to stop him as he was coming from the Dail and said: "Check your law book."

* Appeared not to make a sufficient effort to complete the breath test.

* Drove off without being waved on by the officer.

Phoebas

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

She was stopped for a U-turn. The breathalyser did not register any alcohol.

She was suspected of drink driving. The breathalyser was inconclusive (it didn't register a nil reading; it failed to register any reading) so she was brought to the station for a proper alcohol test.
The idea that she should have been allowed to drive to the station in these circumstances is ludicrous. You must know this.

mynamejeff

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Would Shatter have been treated that way?

ya , your obviously not attached to reality at all so bye bye now and enjoy the protest circuit

marienbad

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Nonsense, you would be seething if you were treated like Clare Daly for doing an illegal U-turn in Dublin. The breathalyser didn't even register a result. It wasn't like she would skip the country or couldn't be found (clue: the Dáil) - she was/is a TD. She could have driven her car 300m to the station. Why were the handcuffs needed? The Gardaí were after her and you know bloody well they were. Cop yourself on and let's see what the Ombudsman says.

Lets see what the ombudsman says , a bit of advice you could take yourself -no ?

blackwhite

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

She was stopped for a U-turn. The breathalyser did not register any alcohol.

Less of the lies.

She didn't register a sufficient sample to allow the breathalyser register a reading.

Claiming it "did not register any alcohol" is a barefaced lie, and you know it.

Failing to continue blowing for long enough to register any reading is a well-known tactic used by people who are have taken a drink in order to delay their initial test until hey get to the station, in the hope that the extra time will get some more alcohol out of their system.

But of course, seeing as it's a politician that you like, she should be allowed drive off without question.

FreudianSlippers

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace will be spending 30 days in prison shortly enough if they refuse to pay the fine handed down for breaching security at Shannon airport. Which will make them the first TDs to be imprisoned on a matter of conscience in a long, long time.

It's not a matter of conscience, they unlawfully entered a secure section of an airport. There's no excuse for that.

blackwhite

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's not a matter of conscience, they unlawfully entered a secure section of an airport. There's no excuse for that.

If they end up going to jail for refusing to pay the fine (and it's still a big IF - I wouldn't be surprised if an "anonymous" benefactor emerged to pay the fine for Mick and Clare - allowing them to save face and avoid jail), it will be refreshing to see Wallace finally see some type of punishment for refusing to pay the State what he owes (ironically, the jail time will be for a much smaller amount than the time he got away with).

Muahahaha

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Would Shatter have been treated that way?

mynamejeff wrote: »

ya , your obviously not attached to reality at all so bye bye now and enjoy the protest circuit

When Shatter was stopped for drink driving he refused to do the test and he got away with it so I'd suggest that you're the one not attached to reality at all. The facts speak for themselves- Clare Daly did the test, Alan Shatter refused to and the Gardai did nothing about it

Muahahaha

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's not a matter of conscience, they unlawfully entered a secure section of an airport. There's no excuse for that.

For them it clearly was a matter of conscience- they believe that they US miliary is transporting weapons to war zones, using neutral Ireland as a stopping point. It's their conscience they are acting on, not yours or mine

FreudianSlippers

Muahahaha wrote: »

For them it clearly was a matter of conscience- they believe that they US miliary is transporting weapons to war zones, using neutral Ireland as a stopping point. It's their conscience they are acting on, not yours or mine

Oh I see so it's acceptable to break the law of you feel you should be able to. Makes total sense.

:rolleyes:

Muahahaha

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Oh I see so it's acceptable to break the law of you feel you should be able to. Makes total sense.

:rolleyes:

If you look back on history laws generally only get changed when enough people break them. By your logic slavery and apartheid would still be legal

mynamejeff

Muahahaha wrote: »

When Shatter was stopped for drink driving he refused to do the test and he got away with it so I'd suggest that you're the one not attached to reality at all. The facts speak for themselves- Clare Daly did the test, Alan Shatter refused to and the Gardai did nothing about it

the more time i spend on this site the more i find people who defend the indefensible and ignore the facts in favor of political agendas .
shatter is a odious little turd but daly s equally offensive abet for in a different context.
But both are and should be subject to the laws of Ireland regardless of politics.

as an aside i would be strongly in favor of politicians being vetted and disqualification of any one with a criminal conviction from public representation.

blackwhite

Muahahaha wrote: »

When Shatter was stopped for drink driving he refused to do the test and he got away with it so I'd suggest that you're the one not attached to reality at all. The facts speak for themselves- Clare Daly did the test, Alan Shatter refused to and the Gardai did nothing about it

Shatter was travelling from the Dáil - the Constitution prevents the Gardai from doing anything about it.
Clare Daly was travelling from a private residence to her own home, so the Constitutional exemption didn't apply.

But let me guess, you think the Constitution of Ireland shouldn't apply to politicians you don't like?

Muahahaha

blackwhite wrote: »

Shatter was travelling from the Dáil - the Constitution prevents the Gardai from doing anything about it.
Clare Daly was travelling from a private residence to her own home, so the Constitutional exemption didn't apply.

But let me guess, you think the Constitution of Ireland shouldn't apply to politicians you don't like?

The same Constitution you're talking about states that all citizens are to be treated equally, so why not politicians?
Furthermore if Shatter was sober why would he have a problem being breathlysed? You'd only want to get out of it if you know you're over the limit.
Finally the only person saying Shatter was coming from the Dail was Shatter himself. There is nothing out there proving he actually was.

Do you think our Constitution should be used by politicians to drink drive? What if they kill someone, should that be legal too under the Constitution?

Muahahaha

mynamejeff wrote: »

the more time i spend on this site the more i find people who defend the indefensible and ignore the facts in favor of political agendas .
shatter is a odious little turd but daly s equally offensive abet for in a different context.
But both are and should be subject to the laws of Ireland regardless of politics.

as an aside i would be strongly in favor of politicians being vetted and disqualification of any one with a criminal conviction from public representation.

If Daly was guilty of drink driving then no way would I back her. She was innocent of the offence yet still had Gardai leak out details of her arrest, there is something very wrong about that, people have a right to their good name, which is a phrase we hear from Shatter pretty often even though it was he who refused to do the breathlyser test in the first place. He can hardly be surprised if people draw inferences by his refusal to do it.

FreudianSlippers

Muahahaha wrote: »

If you look back on history laws generally only get changed when enough people break them. By your logic slavery and apartheid would still be legal

You're seriously comparing airport security laws to slavery? :rolleyes:

blackwhite

Muahahaha wrote: »

The same Constitution you're talking about states that all citizens are to be treated equally, so why not politicians?
Furthermore if Shatter was sober why would he have a problem being breathlysed? You'd only want to get out of it if you know you're over the limit.
Finally the only person saying Shatter was coming from the Dail was Shatter himself. There is nothing out there proving he actually was.

Do you think our Constitution should be used by politicians to drink drive? What if they kill someone, should that be legal too under the Constitution?

Way to twist what I posted to try and make it seem like something else - it shows exactly how much honesty you put into your arguments on here.

Both Politicians were treated exactly as the law dictates, and exactly the way any other person would be in the same circumstances.

The Constitutional provision that prevents TDs from being arrested on their way to/from the Dail is out-dated and IMO should be repealed, but as long as it exists on the books there's nothing that the gardai can do about it. If a TD makes the claim, then the Garda risks being held in breach of the Constitution if they attempt to detail them (BTW - I don't recall you getting outraged when Ming used the same Constitutional provision to have penalty points wiped - but I guess it's ok when it's a politician that you like :rolleyes:)

Anyway, it's clear from how keen you are to misrepresent people's post that you have no interest in actually having an honest debate - so feel free to rant all you want without having facts or any other inconveniences get in your way