[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Tiriel · 27-01-2015 12:30PM

Mod note: Posts from Upcoming Fights thread merged here.

SHOVELLER · 28-01-2015 05:17AM

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

Henno30 · 28-01-2015 10:34AM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

That's crazy. First time they've ever met alright. Although Floyd was ringside shouting for Manny during Pac-Morales II.

Diddley Squat · 29-01-2015 12:01AM

Sceptical me says that this was a staged stunt........

which could mean that there's actually something happening behind the scenes and not just a load of media waffle

For me I say -either fight each other or both retire !

yabadabado · 29-01-2015 12:11AM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

Surely they have met before.PAC fought on a Mayweather undercard .

kryogen · 29-01-2015 01:35AM

Wouldn't necessarily mean they have met, but I did think it was a bit far fetched that they have just met now, for the first time ever. Mayweather has been to Pacman fights

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 10:09AM

yabadabado wrote: »

Surely they have met before.PAC fought on a Mayweather undercard .

They hadn't. They spoke briefly on the phone once in 2012. That was it.

ThunderCat · 29-01-2015 11:18AM

Diddley Squat wrote: »

Sceptical me says that this was a staged stunt........

which could mean that there's actually something happening behind the scenes and not just a load of media waffle

For me I say -either fight each other or both retire !

Not sure it was staged because apparently Manny was only there because his flight back to New York was cancelled due to the snow. But you never know.
I want to believe that the fight is going to happen but I'm sceptical due to the Canelo v Cotto fight falling through. That makes me think Floyd will fight Cotto again.
Another theory I read online was that the only reason that Floyd went over to Manny at the basketball game is because that fight with Cotto is already a done deal and he is trying to portray himself in a positive light
by speaking with Manny and when the fight falls through he can say "not my fault it didn't happen, you all saw me talk to him". Yet another theory is that the fight will go through and will be announced as a commercial during the superbowl. We'll know soon enough one way or another.

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 01:06PM

How many times have they led us up the garden path before?

All these antics should be ignored as the PR stunts they are. Never before have two fighters gotten so much mileage out of a non-existent rivalry.

None of this stuff should be treated as sincere because neither party deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Until they sign the contracts, this is just promotion for Mayweather-Cotto 2 and Pacquiao-Vargas, or whatever other bull**** fights they make after not being able to reach an agreement despite "doing all that they could."

buggy beag · 29-01-2015 05:25PM

your probaly right my friend

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 08:43PM

buggy beag wrote: »

your probaly right my friend

I hope I'm not. I hope they finally do it.

But as I said, after five years of this circus they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They might look on the point of signing the fight today, and then tomorrow decide that some trivial issue is 'insurmountable' and move onto different opponents.

buggy beag · 29-01-2015 09:55PM

see one of them fight khan if they didnt only upside, would prefer khan v mayweather would be the better fight imo

Diddley Squat · 03-02-2015 10:50PM

yes .

Kirby · 04-02-2015 12:29AM

buggy beag wrote: »

see one of them fight khan if they didnt only upside, would prefer khan v mayweather would be the better fight imo

Khan can beat Mayweather. He can't beat pacquiao.

There is a reason he's been angling for Floyd and its not just the payday. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Khan so Khan can get on his bike and use his lighting, pitter patter punches to win an ugly fight on points versus Floyd. He cant do that against Pacquiao. Pacquiao will catch him and hurt him.

buggy beag · 04-02-2015 10:32AM

yeppa fully agree my friend

walshb · 04-02-2015 10:40AM

Kirby wrote: »

Khan can beat Mayweather. He can't beat pacquiao.

There is a reason he's been angling for Floyd and its not just the payday. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Khan so Khan can get on his bike and use his lighting, pitter patter punches to win an ugly fight on points versus Floyd. He cant do that against Pacquiao. Pacquiao will catch him and hurt him.

I agree, but still think he could win on points against Manny. Manny's only chance here is the stoppage, and can he get it against a bigger and faster and rangier man?

FTA69 · 04-02-2015 05:07PM

Of course Floyd can hurt Khan. Khan took a clean shot from blown-up lightweight Diaz and was doing the funky chicken around the ring for the better part of the round. If Floyd lands a hard counter-right on Khan's chin he'll definitely feel it. Mayweather doesn't have concussive one-punch power but he's well able to hurt people and throw a punch. Hatton was a tough fighter and Floyd KO'd him.

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

walshb · 04-02-2015 05:21PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

I wouldn't dismiss the threat, but Floyd just doesn't seem to have that power (at this stage in his career) that I think will KO or TKO Khan, weak chin or not. I could be wrong, because Khan can be vulnerable, but I think it's a points fight, and a Khan win. Can't believe I am saying that.

Kirby · 04-02-2015 06:43PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Of course Floyd can hurt Khan. Khan took a clean shot from blown-up lightweight Diaz and was doing the funky chicken around the ring for the better part of the round. If Floyd lands a hard counter-right on Khan's chin he'll definitely feel it. Mayweather doesn't have concussive one-punch power but he's well able to hurt people and throw a punch. Hatton was a tough fighter and Floyd KO'd him.

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

Floyd hasn't knocked anybody out in donkeys years. Hatton was a long time ago and even then, it was the turnbuckle that finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it and never recovered. The button hook that precipitated it wasn't that devastating at all.

FTA69 · 05-02-2015 12:41PM

Kirby wrote: »

He went headfirst into it and never recovered. The button hook that precipitated it wasn't that devastating at all.

One of the best shots I've ever seen thrown I'd say.

The point I made above still stands, Mayweather isn't a feather-fisted fighter. He has the ability to hurt people. Getting countered when you don't expect it is worse than taking your average shot. Khan has one of the weakest chins at this level and he'd be up against a man who counters and throws a straight right with more accuracy than anyone else in the sport. As such, Khan would be perpetually in real danger of getting hurt.

Edit,

it was the turnbuckle that finished Hatton

Also this is b*llocks. He took a shot clean flush on the jaw, that's what stunned him. Not bumping the top of his head against a heavily padded corner; banging your head off the "turnbuckle" would do f*ck all. It isn't WWE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq7rmZGmLG0

walshb · 05-02-2015 01:03PM

Floyd will need to put a lot more effort into his offensive power/delivery than he did against Maidana. That offensive display was poor. Weak punches, short punches, glancing punches and stale punches.

Henno30 · 07-02-2015 09:40PM

I imagine the Cotto rematch is more likely than Khan. Cotto's a diva and difficult to negotiate with, but he needs an opponent after Canelo giving up on him, and Floyd would jump at the chance to make some fake history.

Pighead · 08-02-2015 01:06AM

Henno30 wrote: »

I imagine the Cotto rematch is more likely than Khan. Cotto's a diva and difficult to negotiate with, but he needs an opponent after Canelo giving up on him, and Floyd would jump at the chance to make some fake history.

I think it's got to the stage now where if Floyd fights anyone bar Manny the fight will be ignored by the masses and be a flop. There will be a reaction from fight fans if the Manny fight doesn't come through.

Talib Fiasco · 08-02-2015 01:17AM

I think Floyd will fight Kahn and not Cotto. I fully expect Cotto to hold out to fight the winner of Lee/Quillin in the summer.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 02:03AM

Pighead wrote: »

I think it's got to the stage now where if Floyd fights anyone bar Manny the fight will be ignored by the masses and be a flop. There will be a reaction from fight fans if the Manny fight doesn't come through.

You'd like to think so but I'm not so sure. These high profile 'negotiations' have never hurt either of them before in terms of PPV sales and gates.

It does at this point look like the fight's not happening anyway, which is the outcome most of us would have expected.

Heard an interview with Dan Rafael today where he more or less acknowledged this. He said that both sides had been making progress, and that Pac had agreed to all terms and the deal looked to be on. And then Floyd got personally involved in the negotiations.

Since then things have gone backwards according to Rafael, with Floyd making more demands on top of what had been agreed and trying to control more and more aspects of the event.

It's the same old pattern really. Mayweather always comes up with a new sticking point every time a deal looks close.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 04:48PM

Interview with Rafael - https://m.soundcloud.com/hardindr/steven-a-smith-show-dan-rafael-interview-2015-02-03

He says that Pac's side agreed to the offer that came back from the Mayweather team nearly a month ago.

But every time they agree to something Mayweather's camp keeps coming back with new demands. And if Pac's team agrees to those then Mayweather wants more changes.

Pighead · 08-02-2015 09:04PM

Henno30 wrote: »

It does at this point look like the fight's not happening anyway, which is the outcome most of us would have expected.

I'm of the opposite view. I think everything is pointing towards the fight happening. Floyd seems to be making the right noises and Manny seems willing to accept Floyd's terms just to get it on. The current posturing seems to be Floyd looking to get even more money for himself but given Manny's desire to get the fight on I think they'll get past that stumbling block.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 09:39PM

Pighead wrote: »

I'm of the opposite view. I think everything is pointing towards the fight happening. Floyd seems to be making the right noises and Manny seems willing to accept Floyd's terms just to get it on. The current posturing seems to be Floyd looking to get even more money for himself but given Manny's desire to get the fight on I think they'll get past that stumbling block.

If they're going to announce it they need to get their skates on.

Floyd's latest stunt seems to be all about diverting blame rather than moving towards a deal as well. Secretly recording what was supposed to be a private discussion, then releasing clips of it online is more likely to sabotage a fight than make it happen.

walshb · 08-02-2015 10:04PM

If all this posturing and delaying is about money and squeezing for the extra dollar then it's a disgusting black mark on them both.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 10:11PM

walshb wrote: »

If all this posturing and delaying is about money and squeezing for the extra dollar then it's a disgusting black mark on them both.

Don't think it is. Pac's side agreed to a deal that that was offered by the Mayweather team last month. When Arum and Koncz started publicly stating that a deal was close, Floyd perked up and started demanding changes to the deal that had been agreed. If Dan Rafael is to be believed, the biggest obstacle at this point is Floyd's narcissism, not any major financial issue.

Normally all this stuff serves as great promotion for the fights they actually do make, that's almost the entire point. But it'll be interesting to see if there's a backlash against Floyd if it doesn't happen this time.

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