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The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2014

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    A true Legend of the blue and gold,best of luck to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    A serious serious competitor. No matter what sport he played he had an unsatible desire to lead, and to win. Hopefully Eoin can offer something to Tipperary hurling in a coaching capacity in the future. With O'Shea stepping down after 2015, it could be a good opportunity to bring Eoin into the setup in order to get him drilled on the cut and thrust of management.
    I echo your sentiments on all but getting Eoin into management so soon. If he was to become part of coaching team at inter county level surely it would be better to see what he is like coaching a club side first? Don't put him in at top level first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Eoin Kelly was born five days after John O'Brien, Eoin Kelly retires from inter-county hurling five days after John O'Brien


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Eoin Kelly, DJ Carey and Paul Flynn - the best inside forwards I've seen (Joe Deane is unlucky here...) - Maybe Seamus Callinan might have a hope here if reproduces four more seasons close to what he did last year

    half forward line - Ben O'Connor, Shefflin, Tommy Dunne (Jamsie O'Connor didn't score enough goals- Martin Story and JOhnny Dooley were fantastic too)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    First time I saw Kelly he was playing for Kierans and I was never as sickened to hear he was from Tipp.

    A class act who carried Tipp during the 00's and I'd imagine we don't know the half of his back/ hamstring troubles. Gave everything to the cause.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    I know Henry and Tommy gets a hell of a lot of plaudits - deservedly so - but for me, this man was the best of the Kilkenny bunch - magnificent wing back then went and solved their full back problems -

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkenny-legend-jj-delaney-announces-his-retirement-from-intercounty-hurling-30801290.html


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    I echo your sentiments on all but getting Eoin into management so soon. If he was to become part of coaching team at inter county level surely it would be better to see what he is like coaching a club side first? Don't put him in at top level first.


    From the point of view that Eoin is familiar with the preparation of an intercounty team and is a born leader then i would suggest that he could adapt quickly to a county set up but perhaps working his way up would be a better option for now.


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    I know Henry and Tommy gets a hell of a lot of plaudits - deservedly so - but for me, this man was the best of the Kilkenny bunch - magnificent wing back then went and solved their full back problems -

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkenny-legend-jj-delaney-announces-his-retirement-from-intercounty-hurling-30801290.html


    Agreed 100% ET. For me he was the best. He excelled in two very different positions in the backline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    From the point of view that Eoin is familiar with the preparation of an intercounty team and is a born leader then i would suggest that he could adapt quickly to a county set up but perhaps working his way up would be a better option for now.
    He is familiar from the playing side but why not see what he's like as a coach first? If he's any good bring him up to inter county level and if he isn't he isn't.


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    He is familiar from the playing side but why not see what he's like as a coach first? If he's any good bring him up to inter county level and if he isn't he isn't.


    True. I think Eoin would be ideally suited to coaching personally. As for personality type he fits the bill perfectly. Great leadership qualities, determined to win, Popular in the dressing room. Tactical and coaching knowledge yet to be established but id have faith there that he can go on and be a good coach if he chooses to be.


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    Skoda are gone as our sponsors by the way. Was actually announced Thursday or Friday evening.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/tipp-looking-for-sponsor-after-skoda-deal-finishes-30797438.html


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Skoda are gone as our sponsors by the way. Was actually announced Thursday or Friday evening.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/tipp-looking-for-sponsor-after-skoda-deal-finishes-30797438.html

    Probably a good thing in monetary terms. With the footballers becoming more and more competitive the sponsor has better exposure opportunities. We should be looking to hit the €1.5m mark at least.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Probably a good thing in monetary terms. With the footballers becoming more and more competitive the sponsor has better exposure opportunities. We should be looking to hit the €1.5m mark at least.


    Here's hoping we get a hefty sum but what we get will depend on any recent success and population.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Russian Oligarch would be nice...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Agreed 100% ET. For me he was the best. He excelled in two very different positions in the backline.

    Couldn't agree with ye there lads...
    When young lads are pucking about in kilkenny, I imagine most of them wanna be Henry shefflin, Richie hogan, etc.... Dunno if too many wanna be jj or Jackie.

    Not saying jj wasn't great, but I think when you think of real stars of hurling, and maybe it's the "glory" thing but I'd have higher regard for the "constructiveness" , creativity and pure genius of shefflin and eoin.

    I think et put eoin on a par with a few others but while it's completely subjective there's nobody close to his sheer greatness bar shefflin. And callinan most certainly never will.

    It's such a pity that when his teammates finally became a force in 2009 eoin was past his best. Jesus we'd have been completely humiliated only for him during the 00's. They were baren enough despite his best efforts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Russian Oligarch would be nice...

    Fly Emirates


    Russian oligarchs tend to fall foul of Putin or their wives;)


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    digzy wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with ye there lads...
    When young lads are pucking about in kilkenny, I imagine most of them wanna be Henry shefflin, Richie hogan, etc.... Dunno if too many wanna be jj or Jackie.

    Not saying jj wasn't great, but I think when you think of real stars of hurling, and maybe it's the "glory" thing but I'd have higher regard for the "constructiveness" , creativity and pure genius of shefflin and eoin.

    I think et put eoin on a par with a few others but while it's completely subjective there's nobody close to his sheer greatness bar shefflin. And callinan most certainly never will.

    It's such a pity that when his teammates finally became a force in 2009 eoin was past his best. Jesus we'd have been completely humiliated only for him during the 00's. They were baren enough despite his best efforts.


    I agree with you 100% on the superstar thing. For example, Tipp were a rock at the back in 2010 but Larry who touched the ball a total of 6 times during the match was the name on everyones lips.

    But im a firm believer in the old american adage, defense always wins and attack decides by how much. At the end of the day, backs do what they have to do to get the ball away from the area whereas forwards love being on the ball. I would say though that Delaney was the bedrock of many superb Kilkenny performances over the years.


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    digzy wrote: »
    Fly Emirates


    Russian oligarchs tend to fall foul of Putin or their wives;)


    Maybe Usmanov will come on board since he isnt getting a word in at Arsenal


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    digzy wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with ye there lads...
    When young lads are pucking about in kilkenny, I imagine most of them wanna be Henry shefflin, Richie hogan, etc.... Dunno if too many wanna be jj or Jackie.

    Not saying jj wasn't great, but I think when you think of real stars of hurling, and maybe it's the "glory" thing but I'd have higher regard for the "constructiveness" , creativity and pure genius of shefflin and eoin.

    I think et put eoin on a par with a few others but while it's completely subjective there's nobody close to his sheer greatness bar shefflin. And callinan most certainly never will.

    It's such a pity that when his teammates finally became a force in 2009 eoin was past his best. Jesus we'd have been completely humiliated only for him during the 00's. They were baren enough despite his best efforts.


    The game that stands out for me the most was Tipp v Waterford in 2004. Waterford were on a high having thrashed Clare by 19 pts the previous game and Dan had scored another goal in this match on the banks of the lee. They were 8 points ahead and it only looked like it could get worse, but our EK was having none of it and gave an arc de triumph. We actually could have won that game only for a last minute winner by Paul O'Brien but in all reality, if Tipp were missing Eoin Kelly that day we would have been humiliated beyond belief.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    All good and fair points - hard to argue with it!

    My reasons for JJ would be similar to the Gunner. I just think probably a bit more consistent than Henry and Tommy over the last few years - performance didn't drop as much. Okay Seamie went well on him in the finals - but, Seamie was red hot this year. Seamie would need five more years of what he done this year to get into the great league.

    Forwards have an end product - scores on the board - whereas the high catch, hook, blocking, body on the line defending - bottling up a forward without touching the ball - doesn't have that. Scores capture the imagination and glory...

    I think JJ is as good as Eoin and Henry... - I think Brian Corcoran, Brian Whelehan, and Ken McGrath were as good as anyone ...

    What do people think of Eamon Corcoran's standing in the game...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All good and fair points - hard to argue with it!

    My reasons for JJ would be similar to the Gunner. I just think probably a bit more consistent than Henry and Tommy over the last few years - performance didn't drop as much. Okay Seamie went well on him in the finals - but, Seamie was red hot this year. Seamie would need five more years of what he done this year to get into the great league.

    Forwards have an end product - scores on the board - whereas the high catch, hook, blocking, body on the line defending - bottling up a forward without touching the ball - doesn't have that. Scores capture the imagination and glory...

    I think JJ is as good as Eoin and Henry... - I think Brian Corcoran, Brian Whelehan, and Ken McGrath were as good as anyone ...

    What do people think of Eamon Corcoran's standing in the game...

    Eamon was a very very consistent player and certainly deserved more Munster and all ireland medals then he won. Like Kelly he was consistent with an awful Tipp team. Personally when he lretired in 2008 i thought we would suffer but luckily Padraic and Brendan Maher emerged.
    Corcoran is basically a victim of Tipp's mediocrity in the noughties overall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    In 1999 and 2000 he won back-to-back Fitzgibbon Cup. Corcoran was named the player of the tournament in both Fitzgibbon Cup tournaments...

    I know Shefflin thinks very highly of him


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    Skoda are gone as our sponsors by the way. Was actually announced Thursday or Friday evening.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/tipp-looking-for-sponsor-after-skoda-deal-finishes-30797438.html

    Managers in Business as well as in sport get it wrong from time to time. Tipperary gave a lot of exposure to the Skoda brand name and I am surprised that they could not negotiate another deal. Tipp footballers alone may prove them wrong with a possible promotion to Division 2. Oh, and by the way the Skoda Dealer in Clonmel, namely Ryan Motor Power did a lot to enhance the brand but maybe Skoda did not have such a good dealership anywhere else in the county.

    The Forum on Spirituality has been closed for years. Please bring it back, there are lots of Spiritual people in Ireland and elsewhere.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Skoda aren't gone yet.


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    glued wrote: »
    Skoda aren't gone yet.


    Could you expand further on that please Glued?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    According to the Co board they are still in negotiations with Skoda about future sponsorship.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Could you expand further on that please Glued?

    The contract has run out but both parties want to do a deal. Skoda may not be the jersey sponsor but may stay on in another capacity.

    There isn't much information going around but the board were concerned about losing Skoda considering that some players got great use out of the cars especially the dublin based players. However, the cars had to be returned once they hit a certain KM.

    A couple of weeks ago I heard that Coolmore have outbid Skoda but I'm not sure why Magnier would want to help Tipperary GAA. I know they give some money to Fethard and Killenaule but he supports GAA in Cork and Limerick too. Skoda are definitely still at the table and no decision has been made yet. I do know that the decision was to be made before Christmas so hopefully it's finalised before then.

    There will be a lot of disappointed players if we lose Skoda and that may be the only thing keeping their bid alive.


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    glued wrote: »
    The contract has run out but both parties want to do a deal. Skoda may not be the jersey sponsor but may stay on in another capacity.

    There isn't much information going around but the board were concerned about losing Skoda considering that some players got great use out of the cars especially the dublin based players. However, the cars had to be returned once they hit a certain KM.

    A couple of weeks ago I heard that Coolmore have outbid Skoda but I'm not sure why Magnier would want to help Tipperary GAA. I know they give some money to Fethard and Killenaule but he supports GAA in Cork and Limerick too. Skoda are definitely still at the table and no decision has been made yet. I do know that the decision was to be made before Christmas so hopefully it's finalised before then.

    There will be a lot of disappointed players if we lose Skoda and that may be the only thing keeping their bid alive.


    Coolmore would actually look class on the Tipp shirt. Fair play to them if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is and they are indeed brilliant to sponsor local teams. Think they sponsor Fethard Rugby too.

    Its JP McManus (who is involved with Coolmore) who actually sponsors Limerick himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Coolmore would actually look class on the Tipp shirt. Fair play to them if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is and they are indeed brilliant to sponsor local teams. Think they sponsor Fethard Rugby too.

    Its JP McManus (who is involved with Coolmore) who actually sponsors Limerick himself.

    Is it not john Magnier who owns coolmore?

    Don't know if farmers trying to buy land around south/west tipp are too enthusiastic about coolmore. They're buying up everything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    digzy wrote: »
    Is it not john Magnier who owns coolmore?

    Don't know if farmers trying to buy land around south/west tipp are too enthusiastic about coolmore. They're buying up everything.
    It is Magnier.
    Coolmore would actually look class on the Tipp shirt. Fair play to them if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is and they are indeed brilliant to sponsor local teams. Think they sponsor Fethard Rugby too.

    Its JP McManus (who is involved with Coolmore) who actually sponsors Limerick himself.
    They do sponsor the rugby club. Magnier helped the club with funding when they started up and provided half the funds for their dressing rooms and to get some extra land for training
    Its only Magnier actually involved with Coolmore. McManus isn't directly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Two clubs call for an end to championship replays...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057119924&page=64


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary




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    Two clubs call for an end to championship replays...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057119924&page=64


    Fair enough on the basis that the All ireland replay disrupted the whole club championship in both codes but i personally think the happy medium to be found is perhaps to have extra time the first day out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    eoin kelly on newstalk now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy



    such a pity his 'peak' years coincided with the carnage around him. Greatest hurler I've ever seen


  • Site Banned Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Spirit of 67


    County Senior Football Final on Sunday , looking forward to it . Loughmore going for 2 in a row up against Cahir who surprisingly have only ever won it once , would like to see Cahir win it !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary




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    Tense final today i believe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭chocaholic04


    Trialling of new penalty puck in to start in the pre season provincial championships. Only the goalie may stand in the goal.

    http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2212141618-gaa-media-release/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    Trialling of new penalty puck in to start in the pre season provincial championships. Only the goalie may stand in the goal.

    http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2212141618-gaa-media-release/
    Going to be interesting to see how that goes,I hope it succeeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    tippspur wrote: »
    Going to be interesting to see how that goes,I hope it succeeds.
    How will its success or failure be measured though? if every penalty is scored during this trial period will it then be deemed a success or failure?

    The only way I can see a penalty being missed is if the taker misses the target or miss hits his shot. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by the way, just wondering what criteria the powers that be will use to gauge its success or failure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    I suppose like in any sport the GAA is in the business of bums on seats - goals and excitement will ensure more tickets are sold (win more supporters) or not. NOthing like goals for excitement. I'd imagine the GAA also want to reward the forward and cut out cynical play. Through making goals easier to score on penalties it makes giving away penalties will result in a more likelihood of goals rather than a more difficult chance.

    It's a preventive which will result in more goals from play or more dramatic play such as saves or wides. I think they should also introduce stricter rules for dragging the man down or giving away a peno when a player is through - in any sport - such as giving the player a final warning or sin bin for such professional fouls.

    So it will be judged as a success if it cuts out cynical play - meaning more goals from play, if the penalties are more scorable ensuring the fouled team profits, and if the supporters react well to it... it is a business after all.

    There are anomalies with every new rule so we'll see what this throws up - but that happens with most rules in sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    I suppose like in any sport the GAA is in the business of bums on seats - goals and excitement will ensure more tickets are sold (win more supporters) or not. NOthing like goals for excitement. I'd imagine the GAA also want to reward the forward and cut out cynical play. Through making goals easier to score on penalties it makes giving away penalties will result in a more likelihood of goals rather than a more difficult chance.

    It's a preventive which will result in more goals from play or more dramatic play such as saves or wides. I think they should also introduce stricter rules for dragging the man down or giving away a peno when a player is through - in any sport - such as giving the player a final warning or sin bin for such professional fouls.

    So it will be judged as a success if it cuts out cynical play - meaning more goals from play, if the penalties are more scorable ensuring the fouled team profits, and if the supporters react well to it... it is a business after all.

    There are anomalies with every new rule so we'll see what this throws up - but that happens with most rules in sport.

    Won't suit the kilkenny crowd;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    digzy wrote: »
    Won't suit the kilkenny crowd;)

    We've had the Nash rule - will this be called the Callinan rule i.e. make it easier to score? ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    they should have split the difference an had the goalie and one defender would have been the fairest way imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭GerB40


    buggy beag wrote: »
    they should have split the difference an had the goalie and one defender would have been the fairest way imo

    I reckon that's the long term plan. After the 'Nash rule' there was a serious goal drought that definitely influenced the result of matches. The 1 striker, 1 keeper rule (or the Callinan rule, I like the sound of that) will have the opposite effect. Goals will be pretty much guaranteed from penalties so having two lads defend a penalty will be a very diplomatic middle ground...


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  • Site Banned Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Spirit of 67


    Congrats to Loughmore on winning the County SFC , their first 2 in a row and to Neighbours Drom and Inch , County IFC winners , Drom now a dual Senior Club !


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