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The Bike Scheme thread

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  • #352
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    yer man! wrote: »
    Tried to use this today and the bike got stuck coming out of the stand and wouldn't release, system kept thinking I had one on loan and kept charging me. Called the company and they hadn't a clue what to do and don't know if I'll be refunded, FFS!

    You will be refunded. Under the consumer act of 1980 you are entitled to a full refund if the product or service was not as advertised, this includes services that were non functional. I'd advise you call them back, remind them of legislation and say you'll take a refund. They may offer to credit that amount to your account which you can accept at your discretion.


  • #353
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Used it today a couple of times.
    City Centre roads today were clogged/choking/infested etc with cars so was handy bypassing all the traffic.
    The bikes handle beautifully and the hub gearing was really great - so seamless!


  • #354
    yer man!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭yer man!


    cgcsb wrote: »
    You will be refunded. Under the consumer act of 1980 you are entitled to a full refund if the product or service was not as advertised, this includes services that were non functional. I'd advise you call them back, remind them of legislation and say you'll take a refund. They may offer to credit that amount to your account which you can accept at your discretion.

    I eventually got it sorted, took 30 minutes to unwedge the dock connection on the bike, it was misaligned so brute force got it out. The people at bikeshare said there's no cover at the weekend so if something happens, you're on your own. She said it was a bit ridiculous but there was nothing she could do. Other than that mishap, I found the thing pretty good, got around the centre really quickly, lots of people asking questions when I went to dock.


  • #355
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    what_traffic wrote: »
    The bikes handle beautifully and the hub gearing was really great - so seamless!


    The best feature of the bikes, imo.

    I heard about the NuVinci several years ago, but this is the first time I've had a chance to actually use the technology.

    Very expensive, according the An Rothar Nua, but perhaps the advantage for them is low or no maintenance. I'd say there's a bit of weight involved, but perhaps that's not an issue with the CZ bikes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNcok8KdNE


    http://www.nuvinci.info/

    http://www.fallbrooktech.com/nuvinci-technology


  • #356
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Ah... I have cycled electric bikes I've tried with those -- I was thinking it was an electric function but it was just the gearing working well with the electric boost.


  • #357
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    And they're off.... (the councillors that is!!) :

    http://connachttribune.ie/public-bike-scheme-a-complete-hames-555/


    I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.


  • #358
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    A Labour Councillor jumping up and down about a few car-parking spaces.

    How things change: http://killercoke.org/nl060407.php#7


  • #359
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    I emailed the Bike Share guys about the Fr Burke Road stand and they got back very quickly. They said "This station will be available to use in the next 5 - 10 days if all goes well.".

    It looks ready to go but they must be waiting for data/power cable connections or something.


  • #360
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    ratracer wrote: »
    And they're off.... (the councillors that is!!) :

    http://connachttribune.ie/public-bike-scheme-a-complete-hames-555/

    I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.
    The Connacht Tribune wrote:
    City councillor Billy Cameron ... claim[ed] that ‘Dublin 4’ engineers hadn’t a clue about the lay-of-the-land locally when they attempted to roll-out docking stations for the bike scheme.
    The "them above in Dublin" argument.:rolleyes:

    However, the point about the distance is valid. Two more points:

    1. There should be a stand in the hospital (UHG). Would be great for staff and visitors. Considering that the hospital employs so many people and that both its staff and visitors car parks are often over-flowing, it would seem an ideal solution.

    2. There is a separate bike scheme opearting in NUIG. Given that there must be over 15,000 there between staff and students, are there any plans to merge them? And if not, why not? (One answer might be that the college has already signed a contract)

    As with the hospital, the staff car-parks in NUIG are over-flowing to such an extent that they have a massive Park n Ride in Dangan. Staff and students could take public transport to Eyre Square and then hop on a bike to the college.


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  • #361
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    The bike scheme in NUIG only lasted a few weeks. I believe the parent company went bust rather than any fault with that specific scheme.

    There was to be a stand on University Road just opposite UCHG but the residents kicked up a fuss that 3 or 4 car parking spaces would be lost so they're not going ahead with that after most of the construction was done. I don't know if they've selected an alternative site yet. There's plenty of room on the bend directly opposite the junction from the hospital for a stand.


  • #362
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    ratracer wrote: »
    I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.

    Is there a "phase two" even being planned yet? There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!


  • #363
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    J o e wrote: »
    Is there a "phase two" even being planned yet? There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!


    I don't know tbh, but if BikeShare/ City Co had any interest in ensuring the long term operation of the scheme, surely they should be researching future potential growth. AFAIK the Dublin scheme also started small but had grown as the it has proven to be so successful. I would hope our scheme in Galway will be given every chance to be as successful, but I feel even at this early stage possible expansion and site locations should be openly discussed so the public can have some input into it.


  • #364
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    ratracer wrote: »
    I don't know tbh, but if BikeShare/ City Co had any interest in ensuring the long term operation of the scheme, surely they should be researching future potential growth. AFAIK the Dublin scheme also started small but had grown as the it has proven to be so successful. I would hope our scheme in Galway will be given every chance to be as successful, but I feel even at this early stage possible expansion and site locations should be openly discussed so the public can have some input into it.

    It was not as small as Galway though in terms of number of stations and geographical locations.
    I would have the same fear as "J O E" has outlined.
    There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!

    Another thing to note - the Council have done nothing about the One Way street situation in the city - even though in the Jacob's Executive Summary report noted it as something to be tackled if the GalwayBikes (also applies to CorkBikes and LimerickBikes) BikeScheme was to be successful.

    Recommendations are made on the complementary measures which would be needed as a new scheme is introduced. Perhaps the most important one would be an increase in permeability for cycle traffic in the city centres through the provision of two-way cycling on one-way streets, and by opening up pedestrianised areas to cycling where conditions allow.



  • #365
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Here is the PDF of the Jacobs Executive Report.


  • #366
    Amik
    Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Amik


    inisboffin wrote: »
    :)
    Ok I'll be more specific - do they request your bank to place a hold (like airlines do) on the amount of money so it no longer is counted as part of your balance. And I'm asking re a visa debt.

    I'd like to know the answer to this too, as I may dip below 150 this month on my current account. :P No reply from BikeShare to date.


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  • #367
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Amik wrote: »
    I'd like to know the answer to this too, as I may dip below 150 this month on my current account. :P No reply from BikeShare to date.

    See this post
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93253436&postcount=222
    it might answer your query?


  • #368
    Amik
    Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Amik


    what_traffic wrote: »
    See this post
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93253436&postcount=222
    it might answer your query?

    OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.


  • #369
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    what_traffic wrote: »
    Another thing to note - the Council have done nothing about the One Way street situation in the city - even though in the Jacob's Executive Summary report noted it as something to be tackled if the GalwayBikes (also applies to CorkBikes and LimerickBikes) BikeScheme was to be successful.


    I had a little experience of Galway City Council's cycle-hostile one-way system today.

    On the plus side, using a CZ bike was really handy. I was in the city for an appointment, and had parked the car in a municipal Pay & Display area. Because I only had a short interval between my appointment and the school pick-up, and needed to get to the Library in St Augustine Street, I decided it would be a good opportunity to use the CZ bikes.

    I walked to the bike station opposite the Fire Station, cycled to the Library and raced back to the docking station, all in less than ten minutes. Driving would have been a hassle, and walking would have taken a lot longer.

    However, my time constraints and the one-way system around St Augustine Street and Quay Street resulted in my having to walk for two sections of the journey, because it would have taken longer (as well as being just stupid) to cycle all the way to the library and back to Fr Griffin Road. Walking was therefore a disproportionately large part of my very brief "cycle" trip, slowing me up unnecessarily. I'm pretty sure that people in City Hall (and elsewhere) really do not understand the implications of that basic point in terms of successfully promoting utility cycling in Galway.

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  • #370
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Amik wrote: »
    OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.

    Ya that's how I read it as well. That leaflet in the photo came with the GalwayBikes starter pack


  • #371
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Amik wrote: »
    OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.

    Yes. I emailed them about this today and they got back to me pretty quickly. Basically, for the year long subscription it's a pre-authorisation and no money is taken, for the 3 day pass they take the €150 and them refund it after the 3 day period is over.


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  • #372
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    ratracer wrote: »
    Yes. I emailed them about this today and they got back to me pretty quickly. Basically, for the year long subscription it's a pre-authorisation and no money is taken, for the 3 day pass they take the €150 and them refund it after the 3 day period is over.

    Ok. It's the term 'pre-authorisation' that sometimes means two things. I am aware that for this 'type' of stipulation that they 'don't take the money out' in either instance, but for some cases that amount remains un-useable within the account, but is still part of the balance, and in others it is just an initial check to see if you have that amount, then it's grand.
    I've been stung by airlines in the past 'pre-authorising' a large price ticket and doing it twice, which put me in overdraft. I know the 150 is smaller but sometimes it is enough that if someone is close to the line with a minimum balance, fees could kick in. Still no response from my asking.


  • #373
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    It's been answered a few times on this thread. You authorize them to take payment but they neither take payment nor freeze the security deposit value on your account. It doesn't affect your "available balance". I signed up with a Visa Debit card btw.


  • #374
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Met two of them last night cycling up Shop Street. In fairness they were going slow. But the glare off the front lights was crazy.
    I honestly think if we were driving the shine off them would temporally blind me.


  • #375
    dloob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    I was looking at the bikes at the end of Eyre square, would have taken one for a spin if I could have remembered the pin code.
    I was thinking that if you took one of those bike onto the road next to the docking station, then to get to Spanish arch you would have to cycle up around prospect hill, then around the bottom of the square and along the docks.
    That's if you want to do it legally the whole way on the bike at least.
    Of course you could walk across the road to the Meyrick with the bike first, but that's cheating.


  • #376
    ceatharloch
    Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭ceatharloch


    As regards the new public bike scheme.

    Let the current usage of the scheme be X (e.g. number of bikes rented per day).

    I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT
    LEAST 2X.


  • #377
    deisedude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭deisedude


    ceatharloch wrote: »
    As regards the new public bike scheme.

    Let the current usage of the scheme be X (e.g. number of bikes rented per day).

    I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT
    LEAST 2X.

    Its beyond stupid there isn't one there. Probably the most obvious place to put a station and they don't put one there. I live in Salthill and there is no way I'd sign up for the scheme when I have to walk most of the way home if I was to park the bike in the GTI you might aswell walk the full way


  • #378
    death1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭death1234567


    ceatharloch wrote: »
    I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT LEAST 2X.
    How much do you charge for this insightful analysis of public works projects?

    Everyone knows that they need to expand the scheme to the suburbs but the scheme is only just opened. Give them a chance to get it up and running first and then expansion can follow.


  • #379
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Yep, in fairness it took them a while to expand in Dublin as well.
    But one would have thought that there were some "obvious" hot spots that would have been worth putting a stand at in the initial phase.


  • #380
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    One in Salthill would need to be the length of the prom in Summer (exaggeration) with a couple of vans servicing it.


  • #381
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The distance between Salthill and the rest of the stations is far too great. Stations cannot be isolated.


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  • #382
    Barginhunter01
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Barginhunter01


    There needs to be one at the hospital as well as the galway shopping centre


  • #383
    Julabo
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Julabo


    Barginhunter01 wrote: »
    There needs to be one at the hospital as well as the galway shopping centre

    GMIT, Sportsground,


  • #384
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    A City Tribune reporter has a good go at the shared bikes, and at cyclists, in today's paper.

    Apart from slating the management of the project, he says the CZ bikes represent "196 new hazards" on the city's road network.

    Apparently cyclists are -- collectively -- a contrary bunch who'd pick a fight with their own toenails and who make up the rules as they go along.


  • #385
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    A City Tribune reporter has a good go at the shared bikes, and at cyclists, in today's paper.
    Is there any online link to that article? Looked for it but couldn't find one.

    Or maybe you could post a line or two from it here?


  • #386
    deisedude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    A City Tribune reporter has a good go at the shared bikes, and at cyclists, in today's paper.

    Apart from slating the management of the project, he says the CZ bikes represent "196 new hazards" on the city's road network.

    Apparently cyclists are -- collectively -- a contrary bunch who'd pick a fight with their own toenails and who make up the rules as they go along.

    Speaking as someone who cycles and drives there are plenty of pr1cks using each mode of transport.

    To collectively tar all cyclists with one brush is the kind of lazy journalism you'd expect of someone writing for a paper that nobody reads


  • #387
    jkforde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭jkforde


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Apparently cyclists are -- collectively -- a contrary bunch who'd pick a fight with their own toenails and who make up the rules as they go along.

    most cyclists I see or encounter, regardless of age, dress code, sex etc are indifferent, even hostile to the rules of the road, they're just a hindrance that have to be obeyed by everyone else. convinced it's the juvenile Irish attitude of "don't you tell tell me what to do"

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️

    "Since I no longer expect anything from mankind except madness, meanness, and mendacity; egotism, cowardice, and self-delusion, I have stopped being a misanthrope." Irving Layton



  • #388
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    There's possibly a common denominator among people who are indifferent or hostile to the RoTR, but I doubt it's the mode of transport.


  • #389
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    There's possibly a common denominator among people who are indifferent or hostile to the RoTR, but I doubt it's the mode of transport.

    Yes. To say that 'most cyclists one sees or encounters' are one way or another does smack a little of the 'most children I hear are noisy' syndrome. IE the troublesome members of a certain collective are the ones that are remembered and the 'nicer' ones go ignored and unobserved, thus skewing the perspective.


  • #390
    pleasant Co.
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    group hug?.... :)


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  • #391
    inisboffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    pleasant Co. wrote: »
    group hug?.... :)

    Only if we're stopped at a light!


  • #392
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    jkforde wrote: »
    most cyclists I see or encounter, regardless of age, dress code, sex etc are indifferent, even hostile to the rules of the road, they're just a hindrance that have to be obeyed by everyone else. convinced it's the juvenile Irish attitude of "don't you tell tell me what to do"

    Yawn!!!! Next


  • #393
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    jkforde wrote: »
    most cyclists I see or encounter, regardless of age, dress code, sex etc are indifferent, even hostile to the rules of the road, they're just a hindrance that have to be obeyed by everyone else. convinced it's the juvenile Irish attitude of "don't you tell tell me what to do"

    Yes to an extent but.....

    Respect for the law and respect for state authority work in both directions. In this city, as others, the city executive and police have acted with contempt for the needs of cyclists to the point that law breaking is actively encouraged and even imposed. Typical examples are traffic lights that will not change for people on bikes.

    Likewise you cannot have a situation where the police decline to enforce speed limits and then be surprised if people cycle on footpaths. Indeed I have heard a Garda express the view that cyclists should be put up on the footpaths.

    The Jacobs report is not the first source to point out that what is now the "pedestrian" zone should be open to cyclists. At the time Shop Street was closed to cyclists, the Cycling Campaign pointed out to the city executive that it was a key cross city cycling route with no reasonable alternatives. It was also pointed out that there was guidance stating that cyclists should be incorporated into such zones.

    I would argue that the organs of the state, the police, local government, act with an attitude of apparent contempt for the idea that citizens should be enabled to go about their reasonable daily business in a lawful manner.

    In that case it is difficult to expect respect for the law from citizens. (Although I continue to work towards that)

    @mods feel free to move to cycling in the city.


  • #394
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    At the time Shop Street was closed to cyclists

    Is this not still the case?


  • #395
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    J o e wrote: »
    Is this not still the case?

    Meant in the sense of "back when x happened " as opposed to "in that time ..."


  • #396
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    So any sign of the Bike Stations at City Hall, Galway City Library, GTI and Spanish Arch been completed yet?


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  • #397
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    what_traffic wrote: »
    So any sign of the Bike Stations at City Hall, Galway City Library, GTI and Spanish Arch been completed yet?

    When I passed back GTI on Sunday it looked ready to open, stands fully in place, card reader/ computer was in place. Just the fences were still around the site.


  • #398
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    what_traffic wrote: »
    So any sign of the Bike Stations at City Hall, Galway City Library, GTI and Spanish Arch been completed yet?

    A well placed source said on Friday that the one by the library is to be removed due to residents complaints. Sounds nuts to me, and I'm a resident.


  • #399
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    A well placed source said on Friday that the one by the library is to be removed due to residents complaints. Sounds nuts to me, and I'm a resident.

    Do we have any more information about the nature of the complaint?


  • #400
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    A well placed source said on Friday that the one by the library is to be removed due to residents complaints. Sounds nuts to me, and I'm a resident.

    Thats strange. Station is were double yellow lines were so its not car parking that is being removed.


  • #401
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    what_traffic wrote: »
    Thats strange. Station is were double yellow lines were so its not car parking that is being removed.

    Might be useful if we could get a photo of what was put in? Reason might become obvious.


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