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The Bike Scheme thread

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FYI
http://www.nationaltransport.ie/citybikes.html

The Galway meeting is taking place:
Tuesday, November 15 10.30am – 1.30pm Galway Siobhan McKenna Theatre, Arts Millennium Building, NUI Galway, University Road, Galway

Bike Schemes in Regional Cities

Introducing Public Bike Schemes in Regional Cities

Alan Kelly TD, Minister for Public and Commuter Transport is holding a series of symposiums to explore the potential for delivering effective public bikes schemes – similar to the internationally acclaimed and successful “dublinbikes” scheme – in the cities of Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford.
The purpose of each symposium will be to inform and involve local stakeholders, communicating the issues involved, facilitating debate and providing a defined channel which interested parties can avail of to discuss engagement with the scheme publicly or in commercial confidence.

These symposiums are taking place as follows:
Monday, November 7 10.30am – 1.30pm Cork The Millennium Hall, City Hall, Anglesea St, Cork

Wednesday, November 9 10.30am – 1.30pm Waterford The Large Room, City Hall, The Mall, Waterford

Monday, November 14 10.30am – 1.30pm Limerick Limerick City Gallery of Art, Carnegie Building, Pery Square, Limerick

Tuesday, November 15 10.30am – 1.30pm Galway Siobhan McKenna Theatre, Arts Millennium Building, NUI Galway, University Road, Galway

On the Minister’s request, the National Transport Authority commissioned analyses of the feasibility of such schemes, looking at the potential scope and of schemes in each city (technical report) and funding, cost and revenue analysis and options (commercial report). These are published here, and will underpin and inform the symposium discussions.
Reports:
Summary of Commercial Report
Summary of Technical Report
Commercial Report
Technical Report
If you are interested in attending a symposium, please let us know: bikeschemes@nationaltransport.ie
If you have any comments to make on the proposals contained in the reports, please let us know, before November 20th: bikeschemes@nationaltransport.ie

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Thargor

One in Salthill would need to be the length of the prom in Summer (exaggeration) with a couple of vans servicing it.

kippy

Yep, in fairness it took them a while to expand in Dublin as well.
But one would have thought that there were some "obvious" hot spots that would have been worth putting a stand at in the initial phase.

death1234567

ceatharloch wrote: »

I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT LEAST 2X.

How much do you charge for this insightful analysis of public works projects?

Everyone knows that they need to expand the scheme to the suburbs but the scheme is only just opened. Give them a chance to get it up and running first and then expansion can follow.

deisedude

ceatharloch wrote: »

As regards the new public bike scheme.

Let the current usage of the scheme be X (e.g. number of bikes rented per day).

I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT
LEAST 2X.

Its beyond stupid there isn't one there. Probably the most obvious place to put a station and they don't put one there. I live in Salthill and there is no way I'd sign up for the scheme when I have to walk most of the way home if I was to park the bike in the GTI you might aswell walk the full way

ceatharloch

As regards the new public bike scheme.

Let the current usage of the scheme be X (e.g. number of bikes rented per day).

I predict that if a station is installed in Salthill, the usage would rise to AT
LEAST 2X.

dloob

I was looking at the bikes at the end of Eyre square, would have taken one for a spin if I could have remembered the pin code.
I was thinking that if you took one of those bike onto the road next to the docking station, then to get to Spanish arch you would have to cycle up around prospect hill, then around the bottom of the square and along the docks.
That's if you want to do it legally the whole way on the bike at least.
Of course you could walk across the road to the Meyrick with the bike first, but that's cheating.

thesandeman

Met two of them last night cycling up Shop Street. In fairness they were going slow. But the glare off the front lights was crazy.
I honestly think if we were driving the shine off them would temporally blind me.

joeKel73

It's been answered a few times on this thread. You authorize them to take payment but they neither take payment nor freeze the security deposit value on your account. It doesn't affect your "available balance". I signed up with a Visa Debit card btw.

inisboffin

ratracer wrote: »

Yes. I emailed them about this today and they got back to me pretty quickly. Basically, for the year long subscription it's a pre-authorisation and no money is taken, for the 3 day pass they take the €150 and them refund it after the 3 day period is over.

Ok. It's the term 'pre-authorisation' that sometimes means two things. I am aware that for this 'type' of stipulation that they 'don't take the money out' in either instance, but for some cases that amount remains un-useable within the account, but is still part of the balance, and in others it is just an initial check to see if you have that amount, then it's grand.
I've been stung by airlines in the past 'pre-authorising' a large price ticket and doing it twice, which put me in overdraft. I know the 150 is smaller but sometimes it is enough that if someone is close to the line with a minimum balance, fees could kick in. Still no response from my asking.

ratracer

Amik wrote: »

OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.

Yes. I emailed them about this today and they got back to me pretty quickly. Basically, for the year long subscription it's a pre-authorisation and no money is taken, for the 3 day pass they take the €150 and them refund it after the 3 day period is over.

what_traffic

Amik wrote: »

OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.

Ya that's how I read it as well. That leaflet in the photo came with the GalwayBikes starter pack

Iwannahurl

what_traffic wrote: »

Another thing to note - the Council have done nothing about the One Way street situation in the city - even though in the Jacob's Executive Summary report noted it as something to be tackled if the GalwayBikes (also applies to CorkBikes and LimerickBikes) BikeScheme was to be successful.

I had a little experience of Galway City Council's cycle-hostile one-way system today.

On the plus side, using a CZ bike was really handy. I was in the city for an appointment, and had parked the car in a municipal Pay & Display area. Because I only had a short interval between my appointment and the school pick-up, and needed to get to the Library in St Augustine Street, I decided it would be a good opportunity to use the CZ bikes.

I walked to the bike station opposite the Fire Station, cycled to the Library and raced back to the docking station, all in less than ten minutes. Driving would have been a hassle, and walking would have taken a lot longer.

However, my time constraints and the one-way system around St Augustine Street and Quay Street resulted in my having to walk for two sections of the journey, because it would have taken longer (as well as being just stupid) to cycle all the way to the library and back to Fr Griffin Road. Walking was therefore a disproportionately large part of my very brief "cycle" trip, slowing me up unnecessarily. I'm pretty sure that people in City Hall (and elsewhere) really do not understand the implications of that basic point in terms of successfully promoting utility cycling in Galway.

Amik

what_traffic wrote: »

See this post
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93253436&postcount=222
it might answer your query?

OK. So it's treated like a e.g. pre-authorized electricty bill debit? Not frozen, they just take it if a loss/theft/damage occurs.

what_traffic

Amik wrote: »

I'd like to know the answer to this too, as I may dip below 150 this month on my current account. :P No reply from BikeShare to date.

See this post
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93253436&postcount=222
it might answer your query?

Amik

inisboffin wrote: »

Ok I'll be more specific - do they request your bank to place a hold (like airlines do) on the amount of money so it no longer is counted as part of your balance. And I'm asking re a visa debt.

I'd like to know the answer to this too, as I may dip below 150 this month on my current account. :P No reply from BikeShare to date.

what_traffic

Here is the PDF of the Jacobs Executive Report.

what_traffic

ratracer wrote: »

I don't know tbh, but if BikeShare/ City Co had any interest in ensuring the long term operation of the scheme, surely they should be researching future potential growth. AFAIK the Dublin scheme also started small but had grown as the it has proven to be so successful. I would hope our scheme in Galway will be given every chance to be as successful, but I feel even at this early stage possible expansion and site locations should be openly discussed so the public can have some input into it.

It was not as small as Galway though in terms of number of stations and geographical locations.
I would have the same fear as "J O E" has outlined.

There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!

Another thing to note - the Council have done nothing about the One Way street situation in the city - even though in the Jacob's Executive Summary report noted it as something to be tackled if the GalwayBikes (also applies to CorkBikes and LimerickBikes) BikeScheme was to be successful.

Recommendations are made on the complementary measures which would be needed as a new scheme is introduced. Perhaps the most important one would be an increase in permeability for cycle traffic in the city centres through the provision of two-way cycling on one-way streets, and by opening up pedestrianised areas to cycling where conditions allow.

ratracer

J o e wrote: »

Is there a "phase two" even being planned yet? There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!

I don't know tbh, but if BikeShare/ City Co had any interest in ensuring the long term operation of the scheme, surely they should be researching future potential growth. AFAIK the Dublin scheme also started small but had grown as the it has proven to be so successful. I would hope our scheme in Galway will be given every chance to be as successful, but I feel even at this early stage possible expansion and site locations should be openly discussed so the public can have some input into it.

joeKel73

ratracer wrote: »

I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.

Is there a "phase two" even being planned yet? There's a risk that it will not happen if "phase one" doesn't prove a success, which it might not due to the lack of "phase two" locations!

joeKel73

The bike scheme in NUIG only lasted a few weeks. I believe the parent company went bust rather than any fault with that specific scheme.

There was to be a stand on University Road just opposite UCHG but the residents kicked up a fuss that 3 or 4 car parking spaces would be lost so they're not going ahead with that after most of the construction was done. I don't know if they've selected an alternative site yet. There's plenty of room on the bend directly opposite the junction from the hospital for a stand.

serfboard

ratracer wrote: »

And they're off.... (the councillors that is!!) :

http://connachttribune.ie/public-bike-scheme-a-complete-hames-555/

I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.

The Connacht Tribune wrote:

City councillor Billy Cameron ... claim[ed] that ‘Dublin 4’ engineers hadn’t a clue about the lay-of-the-land locally when they attempted to roll-out docking stations for the bike scheme.

The "them above in Dublin" argument.:rolleyes:

However, the point about the distance is valid. Two more points:

1. There should be a stand in the hospital (UHG). Would be great for staff and visitors. Considering that the hospital employs so many people and that both its staff and visitors car parks are often over-flowing, it would seem an ideal solution.

2. There is a separate bike scheme opearting in NUIG. Given that there must be over 15,000 there between staff and students, are there any plans to merge them? And if not, why not? (One answer might be that the college has already signed a contract)

As with the hospital, the staff car-parks in NUIG are over-flowing to such an extent that they have a massive Park n Ride in Dangan. Staff and students could take public transport to Eyre Square and then hop on a bike to the college.

joeKel73

I emailed the Bike Share guys about the Fr Burke Road stand and they got back very quickly. They said "This station will be available to use in the next 5 - 10 days if all goes well.".

It looks ready to go but they must be waiting for data/power cable connections or something.

Iwannahurl

A Labour Councillor jumping up and down about a few car-parking spaces.

How things change: http://killercoke.org/nl060407.php#7

ratracer

And they're off.... (the councillors that is!!) :

http://connachttribune.ie/public-bike-scheme-a-complete-hames-555/

I think though that an awful lot of the negative reaction/criticism of the scheme could be put to bed if BikeShare or the City Council would give an outline of 'potential site' for phase two of the scheme.

monument

Ah... I have cycled electric bikes I've tried with those -- I was thinking it was an electric function but it was just the gearing working well with the electric boost.

Iwannahurl

what_traffic wrote: »

The bikes handle beautifully and the hub gearing was really great - so seamless!

The best feature of the bikes, imo.

I heard about the NuVinci several years ago, but this is the first time I've had a chance to actually use the technology.

Very expensive, according the An Rothar Nua, but perhaps the advantage for them is low or no maintenance. I'd say there's a bit of weight involved, but perhaps that's not an issue with the CZ bikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNcok8KdNE

http://www.nuvinci.info/

http://www.fallbrooktech.com/nuvinci-technology

yer man!

cgcsb wrote: »

You will be refunded. Under the consumer act of 1980 you are entitled to a full refund if the product or service was not as advertised, this includes services that were non functional. I'd advise you call them back, remind them of legislation and say you'll take a refund. They may offer to credit that amount to your account which you can accept at your discretion.

I eventually got it sorted, took 30 minutes to unwedge the dock connection on the bike, it was misaligned so brute force got it out. The people at bikeshare said there's no cover at the weekend so if something happens, you're on your own. She said it was a bit ridiculous but there was nothing she could do. Other than that mishap, I found the thing pretty good, got around the centre really quickly, lots of people asking questions when I went to dock.

what_traffic

Used it today a couple of times.
City Centre roads today were clogged/choking/infested etc with cars so was handy bypassing all the traffic.
The bikes handle beautifully and the hub gearing was really great - so seamless!

cgcsb

yer man! wrote: »

Tried to use this today and the bike got stuck coming out of the stand and wouldn't release, system kept thinking I had one on loan and kept charging me. Called the company and they hadn't a clue what to do and don't know if I'll be refunded, FFS!

You will be refunded. Under the consumer act of 1980 you are entitled to a full refund if the product or service was not as advertised, this includes services that were non functional. I'd advise you call them back, remind them of legislation and say you'll take a refund. They may offer to credit that amount to your account which you can accept at your discretion.

cgcsb

The €150 will not be frozen in your account. However they may charge the 150 to your account should the bike go missing