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    #6092
    rolexeagle1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭rolexeagle1


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Full story here:

    http://mmajunkie.com/2014/12/ufc-partners-with-reebok-for-uniform-program-rankings-to-determine-fighter-pay

    This should be great for fighters going forward! 20% off apparel sales going to them, getting paid for wearing Reebok etc.

    I wonder what the base pay will be for an unranked fighter from July 2015...

    Although current sponsors will be looking to pay less now considering there will be no official "UFC" airtime of there products. They are going to have to branch out into different advertising mediums. Will probably move towards the endorsement type of deal rather than sponsorship going forward


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    #6093
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Thats going to put alot of MMA clothing companies out of business imo, I know theres all sorts of other organisations were fighters can wear there gear but nothing compares to the UFC as it is promotionally. It has its pros and cons obviously but meh it doesnt effect me so im not fussed atall!


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    #6094
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Josh Koscheck v Jake Ellenberger fighting at UFC 184. Great card for that so far.

    Weidman v Belfort, Rousey v Zingano, Bigfoot v Mir, Ronaldo Souza v Yoel Romero and now Koscheck v Ellenberger.

    Best looking card of 2015 yet imo.


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    #6095
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    Josh Koscheck v Jake Ellenberger fighting at UFC 184. Great card for that so far.

    Weidman v Belfort, Rousey v Zingano, Bigfoot v Mir, Ronaldo Souza v Yoel Romero and now Koscheck v Ellenberger.

    Best looking card of 2015 yet imo.

    Looks almost too good. Any of those last 3 fights would usually headline a fight night card


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    #6096
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Kos Vs Ellenberger could a P45 match


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    #6097
    Mean Laqueefa
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Mean Laqueefa


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Kos Vs Ellenberger could a P45 match

    Kos maybe , i thought jake only signed a new contract ?


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    #6098
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    Does the Reebok deal seem relatively small to anyone else? A six year deal for 560 fighters at $70 million dollars overall. It seems small for exclusive advertising rights during fight week and in the octagon.


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    #6099
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Thinking about UFC fighters is all well and good, but surely a lot of apparel companies sponsor up and coming fighters with the possibility of them fighting in the UFC in mind? Getting in there before they reach the big stage? That won't be the case anymore.


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    #6100
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,105 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    Does the Reebok deal seem relatively small to anyone else? A six year deal for 560 fighters at $70 million dollars overall. It seems small for exclusive advertising rights during fight week and in the octagon.
    Have official figures been released yet?
    I only heard 8-figures per year.
    In terms of annual broadcast hours, and viewership the UFC is quite a way behind other mainstream sports.

    $72 million works out at $24k per fight, average. Or 250-300k per card. Hardly record breaking, but still a decent splash of cash from Reebok.
    I think the quiet, low ranked, up and comers are doing a lot better out of this. The higher ranked guys will be looking at more and more out-of-octagon deals.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Thinking about UFC fighters is all well and good, but surely a lot of apparel companies sponsor up and coming fighters with the possibility of them fighting in the UFC in mind? Getting in there before they reach the big stage?
    Sponsorship outside of the UFC is terrible really. Basically I don't think the bolded bit happens, at least not in a "Getting in before the big stage" kinda of way. Any sponsors that fighters outside can secure is probably just fight by fight and no apparel companies are giving out deals to lock themselves in once a fighter is UFC signed. Perfect example is McGregor. His UFC signing was always imminent after the 145 title. He had no sponsors for his 155 title fight, was wearing part of Bad Boy vale tudo shorts, but I imagine they were just shorts he owned.


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    #6101
    Cyber Ghost
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Kos Vs Ellenberger could a P45 match

    Thought Cockcheck retired already?

    Anyway don't see why that fight is news.

    Two of them have completely lost it. The last six fights or so involving those guys have been shocking


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    #6102
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    Mellor wrote: »
    Have official figures been released yet?
    I only heard 8-figures per year.
    In terms of annual broadcast hours, and viewership the UFC is quite a way behind other mainstream sports.

    Just saw the figures discussed in this article which are speculative, but probably close to the correct figure.
    http://fw.to/2XObugV

    24k per event isn't that large though. If you consider each fighter from the undercard up will be wearing Reebok during fight week, in interviews and then in the Octagon, that's not a lot to pay. For example the adverts on the octagon or that Mike Goldberg announces during fights certainly cost more than 24k per event. According to Forbes, the UFC is the tenth largest sports brand in the world. Even given a discount for a consistent payment over 6 years, 24k per event seems incredibly low. Especially for a sports brand that stages events globally and has continued to grow year on year in different markets.


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    #6103
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,512 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Was also convinced Kos retired. Pretty sure Dana mentioned it in the post fight presser after the Woodley fight.


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    #6104
    Cyber Ghost
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    I remeber those halycon days when the likes of Mark Coleman ran out into the ring in a pair or Reebok runners in Pride!


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    #6105
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    the deal will help the ufc more then fighters in my opinion, but it was probably made with that in mind, It's also going to damage mma clothing companies. There's just no plus to this


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    #6106
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    the deal will help the ufc more then fighters in my opinion, but it was probably made with that in mind, It's also going to damage mma clothing companies. There's just no plus to this

    The consistency of income is the big plus that baited the UFC I'd imagine. How many fighters, especially emerging ones, often struggle to get enough sponsors etc. It's a guaranteed income with an established brand for 6 years.


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    #6107
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Anyone know what time our time is the Invicta Event on Fight Pass on Friday and if it can be watched straight away the next day as perhaps staying up for that and UFC the following night might not be on the cards :rolleyes:


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    #6108
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Anyone know what time our time is the Invicta Event on Fight Pass on Friday and if it can be watched straight away the next day as perhaps staying up for that and UFC the following night might not be on the cards :rolleyes:

    3am Saturday morning our time. I know events can be watched on jailbroken devices the next day on fightpass, but legitimately I don't know.


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    #6109
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    24k per event isn't that large though.

    Mellor (assuming he's right) said 24k per fight, not per event.

    24k per fight isn't bad, although considering that it will be weighted depending on fighter rank, We don't know what the exact split will be.


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    #6110
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,105 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    Just saw the figures discussed in this article which are speculative, but probably close to the correct figure.
    http://fw.to/2XObugV

    24k per event isn't that large though. If you consider each fighter from the undercard up will be wearing Reebok during fight week, in interviews and then in the Octagon, that's not a lot to pay. For example the adverts on the octagon or that Mike Goldberg announces during fights certainly cost more than 24k per event.
    The 24k was for each fight. I estimated per event at 250-300k. That sounds a lot better right? I imagine that's comparable with the feature PPV sponsors, although they are a lot more prominent and once off, so might be higher. And importantly, the Reebok deal applies to Fight Night, TUF finale cards and PPVs equally.
    According to Forbes, the UFC is the tenth largest sports brand in the world. Even given a discount for a consistent payment over 6 years, 24k per event seems incredibly low. Especially for a sports brand that stages events globally and has continued to grow year on year in different markets.
    Forbes ranked the UFC at 10th largest brand it's category (Businesses), not overall. Some of the big hitters in US sports are in other categories.
    They estimated that the NFL’s Superbowl is the most valuable event, and that one day event is worth more than an entire year for the UFC.
    The most valuable NFL team is the Dallas Cowboys, who have a total est. value twice that of the UFC. The UFC is worth around the same as an average NFL team, but there’s 32 teams in the whole league. The NFL-Reebok deal from 2002-2012 was $25 million per year.
    So if the UFC-Reebok deal is about 12 million per year now, its sound about right to me considering the size difference.
    Last year Nike made a massive new deal with the NFL, which is essentially what I think the UFC’s long term plan is here. For the next 6 years this deal won’t make them a penny, all the profits go to the fighters. Then in 2020 they strike a bigger deal with whoever and then they a share.


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    #6111
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Mellor (assuming he's right) said 24k per fight, not per event.

    24k per fight isn't bad, although considering that it will be weighted depending on fighter rank, We don't know what the exact split will be.

    I misread that initially. In retrospect 300k, roughly, is actually a decent amount per event. I'll be gracious and say, f*ck you Mellor you're right.


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    #6112
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Just rewatched 166, man what an event. The main card was magical. Sanchez v Gil is defo up there with the best fights of all time.


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    #6113
    Cyber Ghost
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    Man, Joanne Calderwood is such a sweetheart


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    #6114
    Cyber Ghost
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    ASOT wrote: »
    Just rewatched 166, man what an event. The main card was magical. Sanchez v Gil is defo up there with the best fights of all time.

    If you liked that, asot, then you'll love this onePride 21 Demolition - Don Frye vs Yoshihiro Takay…: http://youtu.be/dapfW9AkfsQ


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    #6115
    Cyber Ghost
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    Anyone know why Cathal Pendred's wikipedia page isn't back?

    I remember he had one but it was voted to take it down as he wasn't notable enough cause he wasn't in the UFC.

    Now he's been on TUF and has had two UFC victories so you'd imagine it would be back up by now.


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    #6116
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Cyber Ghost wrote: »
    If you liked that, asot, then you'll love this onePride 21 Demolition - Don Frye vs Yoshihiro Takay…: http://youtu.be/dapfW9AkfsQ

    Cheers il give it a watch now!! Been watching all the old Pride events on Fight Pass there have been some absolute wars.


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    #6117
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    Cyber Ghost wrote: »
    Anyone know why Cathal Pendred's wikipedia page isn't back?

    I remember he had one but it was voted to take it down as he wasn't notable enough cause he wasn't in the UFC.

    Now he's been on TUF and has had two UFC victories so you'd imagine it would be back up by now.

    You have to have at least three fights in UFC, Bellator or Shooto I think. Four specific organisations. Joseph Duffy had a fairly extensive page on there too but they took it down.

    Shame really, I often wonder what motivates these wikipedia deleters. Like when they deleted all the UFC event pages for a couple of years there. It's not as if these pages take up a giant amount of space and people went to the bother of making them.

    In other news, Masvidal pulled out of the fight with Norman Parke and Gleison Tibau has stepped in. Decent replacement I think, if Parke is strong enough to push him up againt the cage for the first then Tibau could possibly wilt like he does. Interesting fight and I think Parke has a decent chance.


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    #6118
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Norman Parke has a new opponent for 180


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    #6119
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Cung Le wants to be released, i doubt they will let him go hes 100% going to jump ship to Belator.

    http://whoatv.com/cung-le-requests-a-release-saying-i-got-a-bad-taste-in-my-mouth-with-the-ufc/

    Also fields signs with BAMMA, wish him all the best hes alot sounder than Pendred.

    http://whoatv.com/chris-fields-signs-with-bamma/


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    #6120
    califano
    Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    That Chris Fields Interview is over a year old i think.


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    #6121
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    califano wrote: »
    That Chris Fields Interview is over a year old i think.

    Well it does say

    "Check out this Close Up Interview we did with Chris prior to him entering the TUF house."


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