Cork GAA Discussion Thread

They had no programmes but I do my best with the players I know la touché wing back with colm Carroll in the center Lyons midfield Coates Nash and Nicholas half forward and Dwyer hourigan full forward
Colmans. Vernier ricken
Leary Walsh
Saiche ahearn
Hammond o Leary
Two linehans and kinehely
Don't know anymore

Just found out the midelton team and from what I heard if that was the team they picked the wrong wrong team imo no balance

Full back line of course it leaked three goals.
Ed leahy plain as dawn breaks day should started in the corner

Half back line of leahy, smith and o connor. Was incorrect for this game should been beusang, smith and mcdonnell not at half forward.Half forward and full forward line was not correct but mcdonnell is not a half forward in my opinion much better at half back.
Landers. Leahy, beusang would had better balance.
I didn't think landers was available for the game but shows further no need mcdonnell at elven then.
Beusang and looney and dunne three potent forwards which no need to play as a unit, as nit all three get regular supply so you play beusang outside garan may not been available fair enough but landers would sorted that.
Imagine your a back, or midfielder who do I give a pass to, looney, beusang, or dunne.
There is such a thing as over talent in a line and that creates confusion and indecisive action imo in a team.

Hurling is a simple game yet im truly truly amazed people over complicate things
I rate midelton coaches but imo picked the wrong team with lads out of position with no balance at half back. Or half forward in could been better and also corner back while cashman is okay leahy one best corner backs in harty imo.

Today ag got match ups spot on with lee and Aherne at half forward helped and gunning sweeper behind Murphy helped and the that's why they won management picked best team. HOWEVER I will say more later. In my more detailed account but Murphy wasn't man marked by gunning and he should been and got a goal and around five points from play
Murphy got ist three points doon two from play very early yet they left gunning on Joe longergan good player but no where near Murphy class.
You see great management will realise could lost this game and must change for quatre final there approach.
Imo some one like donal og grady with the stats for them surely he should had word and say after ten minutes, Murphy is doing untold damage.
This naivety from side line today worries me hugely and I rate to be fair lordan and shorten but they must see what's in front of them
Today it's stood out like a sore thumb.

Gunning was awesome today and if he stayed on Murphy game would been over sooner.
Yes he wouldn't been everywhere then but he didn't need to be once Murphy was held

I said they relied on him heavily
The lad marked Murphy is good hurler but good won't hold the exceptional Murphy you must have intercounty quality on him


Imo sullivan could swept ball and gunning man marked Murphy.
Match ups up front were spot on credit due but defence they were not
Callaghan on Ryan had a superb game yes.
Lads hurling is not rocket science you must pick players suited strength and weakness of their opponents.
It's a simple simple game once you keep it simple.
Games will be won and lost on the side line from here on in.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/it-carlow-ucc-1813093-Dec2014/

A surprise but its only the league.

I was at the UCC game today. Carlow looked the hungrier of the two sides today. Kavanagh ran the show in midfield. UCC looked cocky and it showed plenty of short puckouts that didn't work. What ever happened to the old fashioned lump down the field. O'Donnell very over rated and didn't do much.

Hartnett got a good goal but then went off with a hand,arm injury. He was down a few times before going off the field.

Hallisey had a mare for the goals but still made a smart few saves during the game.

I'll be throwing a few quid on Carlow for the fitz after watching them today.

UCC had a team bonding weekend last week ahead of the final. Probably A reason for the loss.

I was at the UCC game today. Carlow looked the hungrier of the two sides today. Kavanagh ran the show in midfield. UCC looked cocky and it showed plenty of short puckouts that didn't work. What ever happened to the old fashioned lump down the field. O'Donnell very over rated and didn't do much.

Hartnett got a good goal but then went off with a hand,arm injury. He was down a few times before going off the field.

Hallisey had a mare for the goals but still made a smart few saves during the game.

I'll be throwing a few quid on Carlow for the fitz after watching them today.

UCC had a team bonding weekend last week ahead of the final. Probably A reason for the loss.

I was at the UCC game today. Carlow looked the hungrier of the two sides today. Kavanagh ran the show in midfield. UCC looked cocky and it showed plenty of short puckouts that didn't work. What ever happened to the old fashioned lump down the field. O'Donnell very over rated and didn't do much.

Hartnett got a good goal but then went off with a hand,arm injury. He was down a few times before going off the field.

Hallisey had a mare for the goals but still made a smart few saves during the game.

I'll be throwing a few quid on Carlow for the fitz after watching them today.

UCC had a team bonding weekend last week ahead of the final. Probably A reason for the loss.

Mhuire ag
Darren O connell na piarssigh
Eddie gunning na piarssigh
Colin o sullivan na piarssigh
Robert O meara na piarssigh
Aileann bhreaththnch na piarssigh
Brian callaghan na piarssigh
Adam O Donovan glen
Eddie laoire na piarssigh
Liam coughlan glen
Paul white glen
Dayne lee na piarssigh
Killian aherne na piarssigh
Evan sheehan na piarssigh
Dan gunning na piarssigh
Ciaran hannafin na piarssigh
Subs

Conor o brien carig na bhfear
Conor Buckley na piarssigh
Cathal o cuileann glen
Craig hanafinn na piarssigh
Adam sullivan glen
Jamie o morrisey na piarssigh
Cian mac giolla na piarssigh
David bhraham glen
Sean o meara na piarssigh
Eoin o Neill glen
Craig connelly na piarssigh
Jamie mcgrath na piarssigh


Doon
Ryan renehahan cappawhite
David longergan Cappamore
Brian Macpartland doon
Mike o brien doon
Brian Mccarthy pallasgreen
Shane O connell doon
Robbie Quirke cappawhite
Jack Cummins doon
Anthony foley Cappamore
Colin Ryan pallasgreen
Barry Murphy doon
Matt feehan Sean Tracey
Mark Coleman doon
Mike feehan Sean Tracey
Joe longergan Cappamore
Subs
Sean mcmahon Cappamore
Alan cosgrave pallasgreen
Jason fitzginbon Cappamore
Dylan o connor hospital herbestown darragh clancy cappawhite
Eoin o malley Cappamore
Dylan dwyer doon
Tadhg whelan doon
Jordan Hayes eire og Annacarthy
John Richardson murrohe Boher
Paduric Ryan doon
Fiacthra Hogan Cappamore
Joe keough pallasgreen
Kevin mcmahon pallasgreen
Padraigh Fitzgerald Cappamore


Thus was a dry day and ground was hard and it was cold and crisp on lovely ptich in Mallow.
No wind which is unusual for the mallow ptich.
Today mhuire ag won their game of chess against the grandmasters at the sweeper and more so with Brendan bulger coaching them, there not at grandmaster level yet but the cork schools are certainly on the right path and today wasn't a game of hurling in freestyle but today hugely significant in evolution and development of the team the coaches and cork hurling in these lads won a dogfight, a battle,a war of attrition in exactly like I predicted the game would be, a dour struggle but a thriller in its own sense I said in my preview.
I was bang on.
The cork side showed composure, heart,brave heart warrior courage of lions, a steel raw courage and survival instinct like Eskimos in the Antarctic, a ruthless conviction to when the game was in greatest moment to get the last two scores and and face challenge head on and winning such a game now shows while tactical wise concerns imo r remains they showed huge stomach for battle and today will bring them on hugely.

Doon got the ist scores with barry Murphy majestic ist three from play and free and it was tit for that one all,two all, then three all but hanafinn and awesome dan gunning made them lead four to three and it was a tactical battle no one giving or loosing an inch


In fact doon has organised cohesion and team ethic and superb spirt but Murphy was main score with the awesome Shane o connell from half back some superb long distance point.


But the goal was to be crucial.
A brilliant deliver by eddie gunning who marked longergan at spells but then a free role at large spells gave sublime delivery to hes superb brother dan.
A lovely jink and swagger like Brian o driscoll v lions in 2001 ist test, gunning who I said was sensational in my preview and unmarkable just burned he's defender with a waltzing matilda run and on the right hand side billowed the back of the net,then gunning he's brother won another ball straight after found dan the man again and such another tremendous point so then they were one five to three up,got a free from sheehan who understandably at just fifteen missed a few but he had a superb game, got a point and it was one six to three.



Doon never panicked.
Robbie quirke who plays as forwards in other games I had said he'd be the floater dropping deep but they started him half back, sublime game the tipp hurler and he started with o connell and macpartland win ball and Murphy duly obliged as Donovan as good as he is found Murphy tough.



Ryan won ball but callaghan done as good as Job as any.
Ryan uncharacteristically missed some crucial frees but they eventually Brought themselves back to two at half time.
In fact at one point they got three in a row and ag were on the ropes, the need was greatest, so stand up Dan gunning to get huge point need was greatest



Lee in was getting stuck in and he really worked today, touch at times was off but he got crucial score and the won lot ball and while o connell also did well he prevented o connell venture too far forward in lee posed such a threat o connell had to hold the centre at all times.
Killian aherne had an awesome game winning loads ball on ground and air and himself and quirke had their moments.
Aherne worked hard just sixteen he is cork minors next year and two years left at harty.
He lives in Mallow knows ptich well today he wasn't just at home in he's town truly he was at home in elite hurling company at harty cup and if he started v castetroy they would have won tremendous credit to lordan and shorten for starting him and Aherne at half forward.
I'm very surprised David bhraham bar injury made way in he didn't start but had three points the last day.
A crucial goal line clearance with two minutes left of the half was made after the solid o connell uncharacteristically dropped a high ball and bhreaththnch cleared it.
He made vital clearance at vital time.

O connell constantly roaring at defender showing huge leadership.
I was in the stand sitting down in the centre and despite young lads cheers could cleary hear o connell.

Half time they led by two


The second half was crucial two up, they needed a booster ag mhuire
But doon got it a lovely ball in to the square, Barry Murphy timed he's run to perfection like Alan shearer or Messi timing run in to the box, and finished brilliantly.
That brought doon on hugely.
Coleman was dropping deep and winning load ball and doon were winning huge ball but all you saw time and time again was a yellow blaze of glory time and again emerging from defence.
No it was not a yellow submarine it was the majestic eddie gunning.
This was backs to the cork wall stuff and callaghan and o meara and Donovan at the fore but still gunning was the jesus Christ of ag today and unlike jesus he had not twelve but fourteen disciples


Lads was best display I've ever seen single Handley by a defender in school match and I seen some performances but wearing two but covering so much ground and then with dan gunning taking short free eddie steeped up two crucial points from free so it was like watching Brian cocran in 92 at corner back but everywhere and free taker also v tipp in senior munster final


Game was level and our by the side line with three minutes thirty two seconds to go he got hooked blocked lost the ball among four players.
Another player would lost its
I have no idea how he won the ball back but he did and then won a free after a late pull and brilliant tevor horgan allowed physical game gave him a free.
Other players would fell to the ground

Gunning jumped up like skippy the kangaroo but clinched he's right fist with a passion that it meant so so so much to win that free.


Within seconds he composed himself forty yards Out put to hit a beauty free from hard angle.
This Lad has to has to be simply has to be called up the Waterford crystals panel


He's shouldered forward, real discipline aggressive play, got hits and bounced off them he relished the tough stuff
This lad perferormance must be conveyed to jbm simply must.
He's ten times better will kearney.


Hannafin had glorious chance to goal but renehahan made a super save but dayne lee then won superb ball burst though defenders great point
But then he had oceans time and awful touch let him down with certain score on
Today though he stood up in he worked he's socks off and showed stomach for battle




Coughlan has some engine and was memorising in midfield.
Callaghan held Ryan.
Gunning covered space in behind Murphy but Murphy won too many one to one v he's opponent


Evan sheehan was brilliant for a fifteen year old and got sublime last minute point and he's going to get better and better in three more years this level showed great composure and work ethic



Ag mhuire deserve huge credit every panel members and shorten and lordan and donal o grady in background but they got some match up right but crucially not Murphy one.
Form gunning was In he'd tied Murphy down and doon were limited as none other forwards are scoring forwards like him so as much as gunning sweeper be lost it didn't matter as they couldn't score



Two gunnings, sheehan, callaghan. O connell, coughlan, aherne, hanafinn, lee were immense but in truth a superb team effort
Doon looked disappointed at the end but their a fine team and get every inch out of the school are a credit to limerick and been superb in the harty cup and will come again as their hard tough honest school I have tonnes admiration for and respect and had suffered tragedy on and off the field but always come back strong.
There a wonderful school a credit to their county




Ag mhuire credit to cork and city hurling, they can beat any team and the draw will reveal more, possibly Ard scoil be ahead rest.
Any teams left can beat each other especially in a cork derby but ag if they avoid Ard scoil and get nenagh for example would win
If they meet castetroy again they will beat them in fact I hope they don't get a cork team or Ard scoil but instead get nenagh or castetroy in the draw.

Great day, four out possible seven cork teams entered in harty making the knock out but midelton been huge favourite puts a dampener on it
If ag had been beaten you say that was possible but midelton was a disaster
Rochestown won munster b under sixteen hurling and a half 2-15 beating Christ ri so sounds competitive and great for cork so third title at that grade with a fourth a possibility Friday with fermoy

Congratulations to them and commiserations to Christ ri both teams done cork proud
Well done to hammies a clean sweep and top the group can beat any team outside Ard scoil
Charville hard luck but their young so their building for next year
Best luck rochestowm Friday v our lady's
They should rest john sullivan has he had a big game today and they need him so don't risk injury by playing him so soon Friday.


As for o Keeffe and Craig connelly no they would not be starting this team good players but not in current team just yet as very good but not better than those starting.
Jamie morrisey would be starting imo if needed, young but brilliant hurling he has.

Breadandbutter wrote: »

RU, were you at the UCC game today ?

He just said he was first line read it again it's clear to see

Seventh real problem midelton is coaching is in that's why their out.
I don't blame players.
Mistakes made v Hamilton were not rectified it seems.
Ronan dayne current cork intermediate manager was in charge team for midelton
I had thought Sean hurley was the manager but dayne is manager.


Dwayne is great hurling man but he's tactical nous and team selection at carrigtohill and other teams is poor and imo they should have new management next year as this team imo had talent but as I clearly said team picked was incorrect
Dwayne has some success in schools and done great work no doubt but elite level record is poor.
I'd agree orizo.

Niall Mccarthy coaching them and he's good and there fit but the problem is Dwayne game management imo and I'd be slow to doubt these players or questions character now as I think they have huge character and talent but every team needs great coaching and looking at team started management made mistakes not players.



It's ironic in brilliant management alwuin kearney and Tim Collins got match up spot on Saturday but they lost exceptional good counsel extra time in game I couldn't call yet against good nenagh hardly great with respect yet with so much talent they loose imo it's poor management

This Is not been wise after but dayne record is poor success wise in coaching

Huge huge set back for school but if kearney and Collins with niall mac take over harty next year dean Ryan cup team next two years can win harty.
It won't win under current management imo.
And today was a disaster for team so much talent that could went long way imo.
This group won all way up age groups so common demoaitor is management imo.
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I had said my preview danger men were hayden and cahalan among others and they got two goals.
Surely management knew bout these players and midelton had top defender to mark them.

Very noticeable as well no subs were used by midelton.
The midelton hurlers started every one is fine hurlers no doubt question is though some opponents were so good would required certain strengths to mark them, not there poor hurlers no, just you do horses for course scenario



It seems Brenda maccarthy. Looney and cahill were good so cork hurlers were fine just most not gotten out of team as whole imo that happens usually management are to blame imo.

It now appears killian Tracey was corner back and ed leahy at midfield
Imo these two with mcdonnell brilliant hurlers played out of position
Mcdonnell should been left half back
Leahy in the corner with Tracey in the middle
And It seems beusang was quite up front from play.
He should imo been half forward
Having him and looney in same unit with dunne imo wasn't correct balance.
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It's a pity midelton are out in looney 1-13 from play in the harty cup in four games, three yesterday has lightened up harty like I said he would and it's a shame him, cahill etc are not in knock out hurling.

These lads some of them would won rice cup and white cups etc.

Agreed Coaching and player management is the key. This is where Midelton lost their way. A good anlaytical coach is the key to all success and unfortunatly Mr Dwane would not appear to have the skilset. e.g Cork 16s last year set the tone a surplus of riches and no cohesion with selection and identification of players. He has no mass in Killian Treacy last year when he relagated him to the b- side same story with Micheal John Shine and Killian Aherne. Given the calibe of preformances from the three lads in the last few weeks I rest my case. He may be a very good coach from a drills perspective but his ability to spot a player and identify the suitable position for that player is non existant. Its a shame that these fine hurlers Beausang, looney, Cahill, Treacy etc will not be seen in the harty again this year.

Orizio wrote: »

At the end of the day this Midleton group won everything underage...up to Harty. People within the school ruined the team really.

Hopefully some lads will look at how the likes of Rochestown, Hamilton etc are doing with a lot less pick wise and that will shame some people.

TBH though it wouldn't surprise me if Dwane is in charge again next year.

Dwayne getting cork intermediate Job tells it own story

Midelton school are not short good coaching
Sean hurley seamus Murphy alwuin kearney Tim Collins

I'm not sure is kilkenny peter dowling still with them

It's a travesty see such brilliant young talent wasted by poor management

Apparently carrigtohill did not rate dwane management

How he got cork job beyond belief

Ronan sheehan and other selectors may save the day but still

I think Dwayne was minors selectors cork in the past

The harty cup cork team of the year so far imo

I didn't do it on schools or a particular affection club done it as always do solely on perferormance in case any one moans why some have more representative than others

Now these are not all eligible for minor but it shows the quality we have

O connell ag mhuire great leadership and good keeper just edges Cian Collins and Bart o Flynn hammies

Eddie gunning words don't do him justice sensational epically magnificent ag mhuire

Ian cahill midelton

Seadna smith midelton

Cathal deane youghal unreal ist year so so young
Chris o leary valley.Kevin Murphy and Brian callaghan unlucky to loose out with john cashman and Shane Walsh but o leary is unstoppable and undroppable.
O leary automatic starter cork minors. Imo the best centre back up there ronan lynch left in the harty and there's some brilliant centre backs left
That good.
Only brilliant Alan callaghan deprived him cork place last year.



Darragh o brien youghal considering did not play all games as back been brilllwnt when he has

John sullivan rochestowm just ahead of Liam coughlan and Jonathan mulchay

Brendan Mccarthy midelton

Luke meade hammies
Shane Kingston Douglas
Declan Dalton youghal
John looney midelton
Tim o mahony charville
Dan gunning na piarssigh

Twelve cork minors panel here made it with sullivan and deane certain to be next year with meade cork senior overage but certain start cork u21 with maybe intermediate if not on senior panel also

Likes griffin, mulchay hammies, Keller, dinnen, eoin reilly hammies all narrowly missed out and lee had moments but wasn't consistent, aherne did not get enough games niall o leary, Shane Walsh, paddy loughin would but is limerick not cork, Cian Collins, john cashman all really really brilliant campaign lost out narrowly , lot tough calls here
Dalton won't start cork half forward but him over eoin reilly this team gave Dalton as simply youghal wouldn't qualified bar him up front single Handley scoring almost all scores
Josh beusang, Gary leahy just missed out also.
Josh was not always played best position and that's not he's fault
Terrific player


These list is not team will start cork necessarily but it conveys level and calibre of hurlers we had in the harty cup and I'm not in to fairytale nonsense picking teams campaign normally half way through but I wanted to illustrate the talent cork teams have and show as I always advocated be fair even last year cork hurling has talent but it's must be coached and developed right.
What I's good coaching lads
Good coaching is absolutely king and queen of the modern game
Unless you have it no matter what talent you have your beaten before you start.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Dwayne getting cork intermediate Job tells it own story

Midelton school are not short good coaching
Sean hurley seamus Murphy alwuin kearney Tim Collins

I'm not sure is kilkenny peter dowling still with them

It's a travesty see such brilliant young talent wasted by poor management

Apparently carrigtohill did not rate dwane management

How he got cork job beyond belief

Ronan sheehan and other selectors may save the day but still

I think Dwayne was minors selectors cork in the past

Peter Dowling isn't involved anymore. A number of other coaches that were involved with this group at Dean Ryan/White cup level are also not involved with the school anymore. A lot of their better coaches aren't involved anymore.

I'm sure Kearney/Collins are top class. A couple of the older lads trained me and wouldn't be much better than mediocre, and that is me being generous.

Orizio wrote: »

Peter Dowling isn't involved anymore. A number of other coaches that were involved with this group at Dean Ryan/White cup level are also not involved with the school anymore. A lot of their better coaches aren't involved anymore.

I'm sure Kearney/Collins are top class. A couple of the older lads trained me and wouldn't be much better than mediocre, and that is me being generous.

Dowling is terrific coach
I hear few kilkenny clubs are different grades wanted him
Sad it is poor coaching story cork

I feel for young lads as talent is there

Draw for harty cup quarter finals Wednesday week the 17th December at eight

Draw will reveal more
Hopefully castetroy draw Ard scoil two limerick teams so one is gone
Cork schools avoid each other I hope.

Orizio wrote: »

Sure Tom Devine was injured? Or was he not involved because his club is playing this Sunday?

Thanks for the report. Wouldn't read a whole lot into games like this. Think UCC's present and future is looking very rosy when one looks at the quality of players they have at this and fresher level.

Only O'Shea had an injury the others didn't line out for a variety of reasons such as Barron only finishing with the Nire on Sunday etc.