Cork GAA Discussion Thread

wackokid

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hopefully they win and fiactacha lynch deserves recall to the cork set up as a Midfield option

Not a forward but showed real potential as a ball winner
Only twenty seven worth a look he was never a scoring forward

He'd be better than Kevin canty who is not at the elite level senior intercounty imo

Canty got injured after 10 minutes and must have been a big loss to Valleys, even if the sub Manning did play well enough. Valleys led 1-5 to o-7 at half time by virtue of a goal by No 13 Cottrell 15 mins in which was made by No 11 Gary Farrell. Cottrell scored 1-4 (2 frees) and is closer to intercounty standard than Fiachra Lynch. ( Sorry bout dat TTM).
Lynch is a strong athletic guy but poor decision making rules him out of the bigger stage. With 5 mins. left and Valleys a point down he was given possession on the run about 40 yards out on the right wing. Loads of empty space between him and goal, one defender to beat, and he attempted the impossible which went harmlessly wide. Could and should have drawn a free which Cottrell would have scored as he was in top form.
The big difference between Cork footballers and Kerry footballers was evident in that single incident as down the other end Ardfert lads would never attempt the impossible.
Dont intend to be too hard on him as he had a fine game otherwise, alternating between No14 and Mid Field. Darragh Crowley at NO5 also showed up well and covered acres of ground all day long, rarely putting a foot wrong, and IMHO is an intercounty prospect if he's interested in the big ball.
They could have won it, but in truth, Ardfert were the better team and their No 11 Damien Wallace finished the game with 1-4 to his name and their two corner men Egan and Griffin made good use of the ball whenever they were on it.
Lovely day for football and in fairness both teams played the game in a sporting manner without sweepers or cynicism. The ball was hopping off a perfectly dry sod, just like a summers day in June.

zetecescort

Best of luck to Mourneabbey today, looking to be the first club to win Junior, Intermediate and Senior AIs. Live on 103fm, deferred coverage on TG4

Mountainlad

Who is the Cork u21 hurling manager?

Orizio

Mountainlad wrote: »

Who is the Cork u21 hurling manager?

Damien Irwin, Killeagh.

Kerrydude1981

wackokid wrote: »

Canty got injured after 10 minutes and must have been a big loss to Valleys, even if the sub Manning did play well enough. Valleys led 1-5 to o-7 at half time by virtue of a goal by No 13 Cottrell 15 mins in which was made by No 11 Gary Farrell. Cottrell scored 1-4 (2 frees) and is closer to intercounty standard than Fiachra Lynch. ( Sorry bout dat TTM).
Lynch is a strong athletic guy but poor decision making rules him out of the bigger stage. With 5 mins. left and Valleys a point down he was given possession on the run about 40 yards out on the right wing. Loads of empty space between him and goal, one defender to beat, and he attempted the impossible which went harmlessly wide. Could and should have drawn a free which Cottrell would have scored as he was in top form.
The big difference between Cork footballers and Kerry footballers was evident in that single incident as down the other end Ardfert lads would never attempt the impossible.
Dont intend to be too hard on him as he had a fine game otherwise, alternating between No14 and Mid Field. Darragh Crowley at NO5 also showed up well and covered acres of ground all day long, rarely putting a foot wrong, and IMHO is an intercounty prospect if he's interested in the big ball.
They could have won it, but in truth, Ardfert were the better team and their No 11 Damien Wallace finished the game with 1-4 to his name and their two corner men Egan and Griffin made good use of the ball whenever they were on it.
Lovely day for football and in fairness both teams played the game in a sporting manner without sweepers or cynicism. The ball was hopping off a perfectly dry sod, just like a summers day in June.

Was at the game yesterday,was vey impressed with Cottrell,he scored some lovely scores and was a threat to Ardfert during the whole game,what age is he lads?

zetecescort

Mourneabbey 0-10 Termon 1-3 HT

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Breadandbutter

zetecescort wrote: »

Good Counsel 0-22 Midleton 0-15 AET

FROM MUNSTER GAA
TOP DAILY NEWS >FOOTBALL NEWS >HURLING NEWS >MATCH PREVIEWS >
Good Counsel surge to McInerney Cup win
Monday, December 01, 2014

Masita GAA All-Ireland Post Primary Schools Niall McInerney Cup Final
GOOD COUNSEL, NEW ROSS 0-22 MIDLETON CBS 0-15
Hurling has the habit of throwing up classics many times during the year but on the final weekend of November anyone who was in WIT Sports Campus in Carriganore was treated to another memorable contest as Good Counsel College saw off Midleton CBS after extra time on an ideal day for hurling, in the Masita All Ireland Post Primary Schools Junior A Cup Final.
Good Counsel are now the holders of both the hurling and football Junior national titles as this skilful bunch of men from Wexford and Kilkenny combined again for glory. With a minute remaining in normal time it looked like Midleton CBS inspired by high scoring forward Liam Gosnell were on their way to victory before Richard Hennessy powered up from corner back to land an eighty yard leveller in the 61st minute of normal time and that magical moment set up an extra twenty minutes.
Extra time proved a step to far for the Cork men as Good Counsel who were more physical in the middle third of the field made their superior fitness count and once they got on a scoring role in extra time they were not going to be stopped claiming the Niall McInerney Cup for the first time in their history.
With two packed stands and fantastic singing and noise from both sets of supporters this game was set up, the skill on the field matched the excitement in the stands as free takers Liam Gosnell and Luke Sinnott got their respective sides off the mark in the opening five minutes from dead balls.
Liam Gosnell a talented, lightning fast corner forward raced clear to fire over Midleton CBS second point of the contest, but Good Counsel began to show more dominance winning more ball in midfield where Sean Nolan and Thomas O’Connor held the edge. This area of the field set up three quick fire points for the New Ross School as Nolan pointed and then balls into the inside corner forwards yielded points from Rory Higgins and Sam Wall.
Chris Coughlan and Sean O’Leary Hayes were making life very difficult for the Good Counsel forwards and their heroics in defence set up Liam Gosnell for his third point of the game. Wing forward Jim Ryan and impressive Rory Higgins were next to point for Good Counsel as the men in blue and white moved 0-6 to 0-3 in front after 17 minutes.
The game was fast and open and score were not hard to come by with the brilliant under foot conditions and Midleton CBS closed the gap to one point when Liam Gosnell added two more pointed frees for his side. Not to be out done by Gosnell, Good Counsel free taker Luke Sinnott added another for his side but fantastic scores on the 24th and 25th minutes from Daire Crotty and Liam Gosnell tied up the scores at seven points apiece.
The Wexford School had the final say in the opening half as Luke Sinnott and Rory Higgins converted fine scoring chances to send Good Counsel in front by 0-9 to 0-7 at half time.
Good Counsel added to their total immediately after the restart when Jim Ryan found space to point before the men in red from Midleton CBS hit back with superb points from Daire Crotty and Liam O’Shea.
Powerful midfielder Thomas O’Connor was next on the score board for Good Counsel when he was rewarded for some fine fielding in midfield. The real thorn in the Good Counsel side was Liam Gosnell but when he pointed again for Midleton CBS it was cancelled out by a pointed free by Luke Sinnott, leaving the scores at 0-12 to 0-10 in Good Counsel’s favour as the game moved into the final quarter.
The Cork men drew level soon however as Liam Gosnell and second half substitute Padraig O’Brien pointed on the run. Parity did not last long however at Midleton pushed two points clear and it was that man again Liam Gosnell as he added his ninth and tenth points of the game.
Good Counsel roared on by their huge support did not panic however and with three minutes remaining they tied the scores up at 0-14 to 0-14 with a Luke Sinnott 21 yard free and a point from Sean Nolan making sure of an exciting finish.
It was no surprise when Liam Gosnell got a sniff of another point for Midleton he dually obliged and looked to have sealed the win. But it was to be an incredible long range effort by Good Counsel corner back Richard Hennessy that saw his 80 yard strike sail over the bar to send the game to extra time as the final score after sixty minutes read 0-15 apiece.
A ten minute break in the dressing room seemed to work wonders for Good Counsel as they showed great composure for the first extra period, despite missing some early scoring chances they eventually hit the front as Darragh Hartley, Jimmy Sutton and Luke Sinnott pointed superbly. The defence of Good Counsel was immense in extra time with corner backs Cathal O’Connor and Jamie Myler sniffing out the threat in the corner while Jack Walsh and Richard Gill both oozed confidence under any high balls.
Good Counsel Goalkeeper Jack Byrne Doyle made some vital saves as Midleton began to look for a goal, and right before half time in extra time Good Counsel moved 0-19 to 0-15 in front as Luke Sinnott pointing for the sixth time in the game.
Midleton’s race was run they had nothing left to give as Good Counsel snuffed out several scoring chances and with a sweeper employed in the second half of extra time any balls sent in by the Cork men were dealt with by Good Counsel.



Sounds a cracker - really tough on Midleton - hate to say it but charachter building, a great achievement- part of the rising tide of cork underage hurling - they will surely get another attempt over next few years for an AI

thinkstoomuch1

midelton lost the all Ireland final but I must first of all say congratulations with every bit of genuinuty and say to a truly truly exceptional good counsel

They full deserves the win outscored midelton seven point to nil extra time but this was very close in the ist hour you couldn't separate them and it was a exceptional point from over sixty yards yards or more that drew The game from Richard hennessey the same lad that got two yellows the ist day

Some score by some player.

In my preview I said this was excellent exceptional good counsel I saw them once prior to today I saw the class

It's like when you meet love your life you just know.
Like that I knew this was excellent good counsel so much so I sat on the fence and said ist ever time in my posting here I could not call a winner.
Anyone who predicted a winner imo with real conviction was just bluffing and so it turned out out a draw in normal time

Good counsel now are all Ireland football hurling champions both codes won football beating rocheestown in may and deserve huge huge credit for that
I had said Declan Wall himself a half forward in hes day with good counsel, this is really really good coach, young progressive and astute and Christ he's team showed it,belief, confident, composure,team ethic, savage work rate, awesome skill and awesome first touch

Wall imo destined for bigger thinks as coach mark my words Kilkenny minor or 21 Coach in the future

Midelton had all above charestics of good counsel just good counsel went up a notch in extra time but in general play very close in that period

The pitch was superb and we got a fast game.
Imo harty cup finals should if weather is bad be played on them if possible if it's bad weather

I'm not going to criticise any midelton player as simply they gave it everything for an hour and could won bar majestic equaliser
Obviously there was brilliant performance and Liam gosnell , crotty, ed leahy. Andy leahy,mcdonnell and coughlan who hadn't played any game so far this year but he had a fine game.
It was an exceptional point of huge distance and quality that saved good counsel with last puck of the game. That's how close midelton came in normal time.
Rarely have I seen a similar point in such circumstances such distance at schools or indeed any distance with last puck of the game to save the day for a team and especially a corner back.
Yes Donnallh Donovan done it for clare to draw a senior all Ireland v cork but as great it was and yes again from a corner back Donovan distance was no where near hennessey and hennessey is under 16.5 grade.

I said to watch out for Sean o leary Hayes at full back Christ he was brilliant I mean awesome and I said it last week say it again he's cork senior full back in the making and he's joy to watch everything you want in a full back.

Strong in the air, commanding and fast he's great reader of the game,
Truly brilliant display by Sean o leary Hayes.
Sinnot who I said drifted in to full forward in the athenry game actually started there, he's superb under ball and I said he similar to tj Reid but he was held scoreless from play by Hayes who held him brilliantly.


Gosnell got seven points from play he was brilliant on the dry surface, some scoring in a forward in an all Ireland final, he will be a minor next year for cork, not this year imo.
Beasung gave superb performance last dean Ryan cup final with nine from play but gosnell was every bit as good with he's performance in an all Ireland final,didn't deserve to be on the loosing side nor did any player on both sides but their can be only one winner.



Good counsel, porter had superb game at centre back,Walsh,tomas
As o Connor he will be a minor Kilkenny this year and and Sutton,Higgins and wall very good for good counsel, hennessey sublime but in truth every good counsel lad played their part.

It was a very tactical battle and sweeper with o Connor at times and it causes midelton difficulty but they done as well as they could.
Down by three most of the game they took the lead even, midelton gave everything

Kearney and Collins coaches and all midelton team deserve huge credit for what they achieved in retaining dean Ryan cup and drawing this in normal time and yes midelton lost two final in a row but only four started from last year so it won't be a negative for next year group and few that are eligible be more experience and it's a new group next year again so have no doubt they will regroup and be very strong next year

Yes it's disappointing but huge game v nenagh in harty Wednesday so they must refocus and yes it's a different ages group but nenagh are good yes but not as good as good counsel or Ard scoil so I fully expect them to qualify

Magical day for hurling, magical day for good counsel for wexford carlow Kilkenny hurling (that's the pick they had huge resources)and credit to both schools

Again genuinely hats off to good counsel, their not a good team. Not a great team. No no no no, I have seen them twice and imo their truly exceptional and I think their the best winners this in the last five years even better than last year Kilkenny cbs who were a wonderful team,yes they are that good with brilliant coaches in Cullen and wall but imo wall is inspirational destined for bigger thinks.
I have never been wrong regards managers yet and trust me wall has huge potential.

Immense credit to the organisation of this cup niall macilrney cup, wonderful credit to wit for brilliant venue, and also credit due wonderful programme today for the final
Thank you midelton for a wonderful year, yes disappointed in defeat but they gave everything.

Aine carrolin the strength and conditions coach. A brilliant coach in that area with cork senior footballers is not going to be with cork next year due to work commitments he's he's own business fair enough.
He's great coach and I heard good things bout him, now fair enough he wants to commit to he's own business but that's two coaching staff gone from last year in ronan Mccarthy also.

The two that left imo were fine but the four remaining from last year are poor and unproven.
The level of secrecy with this set up when it chooses imo is interesting in cuthbhert great in the media at times yet the ronan Mccarthy leaving was kept very quiet, no mention that strength conditions coach left, only saw it in echo regards Aine giving an interview regards he's business.

The pat Flanagan arrival was not confirmed for ages.
Now here we are with a new strength and conditions coach cuthbhert doesn't say a word
Pat Flanagan is skilled in that area but he can't coach and do a and c in both roles so we need a strength and conditions coach, he'll bring in hes own guy probably.
Flangan was with Douglas and tony leen this year.
Douglas football were hardly great this year.

I gave no faith in this set up and imo two coaches leaving yes for work commitments but imo in year one hardly vote confidence in the set up in a lot changing.
Surely if he appointed coaches he try and make sure they were able to stay for two years.
This is like Waterford hurling, two management gone in a year.

Ed coughlan apparently was asked by cuthbhert to join the set up in coaching but declined,imo coughlan is astute so l why would join the cork  set up.
Cork football should have him but to get lads like coughlan you must imo be an attractive set up,just my opinion but I think cork football by some is now seen as a set up that's struggling.

Ross Corbett a strength and conditions coach with kerry minors before, a cork man now joined limerick 21 hurlers for next year he would been ideal with cork as and strength and conditioning coach.



Two players last year panel won't play next year,one senior player still considering he's future, Mccarthy and Aine gone as coaching staff,Walsh and more importantly cahalane in particular chooses hurling and left this set up imo is like a sinking ship, people in my opinion don't want to be on this boat as it rocks too much in stormy waters mainly due to a naive poor captain who is not the willie wonka in the chocolate factory he thinks he is in hes own words,(I'm not being smart cuthbhert himself referenced wille wonka in a Sunday interview) Imo he is more like the captain of the titanic, sails the unsinkable straight in to an iceberg, and will blame everything else bar realise he's the man steering the ship.
Cork senior football imo is one shambles in the current set up and next year it won't get better but I hope and pray every night I'm wrong.

Wacko I will take your view as accurate as I respect your opinion so fair point regards lynch
I'd have lynch at midfield as I agree decision making poor as a forward.
But I'm open to opinion, maybe not an option however I'd have him there over gould as yes gould is more talented but game temperament he will never be up to senior intercounty football in the really big games imo.

I haven't seen much of Cotterell but I will now you mention him
Can he play Midfield ???
We don't need forwards imo we have enough, at least twelve, any more complicates things and Cotterell I doubt is better than the rest as if he was I'd have seen more of him.
Hard to luck to Mourneabbey ladies, they still done cork proud.

thinkstoomuch1

Breadandbutter wrote: »

FROM MUNSTER GAA
TOP DAILY NEWS >FOOTBALL NEWS >HURLING NEWS >MATCH PREVIEWS >
Good Counsel surge to McInerney Cup win
Monday, December 01, 2014

Masita GAA All-Ireland Post Primary Schools Niall McInerney Cup Final
GOOD COUNSEL, NEW ROSS 0-22 MIDLETON CBS 0-15
Hurling has the habit of throwing up classics many times during the year but on the final weekend of November anyone who was in WIT Sports Campus in Carriganore was treated to another memorable contest as Good Counsel College saw off Midleton CBS after extra time on an ideal day for hurling, in the Masita All Ireland Post Primary Schools Junior A Cup Final.
Good Counsel are now the holders of both the hurling and football Junior national titles as this skilful bunch of men from Wexford and Kilkenny combined again for glory. With a minute remaining in normal time it looked like Midleton CBS inspired by high scoring forward Liam Gosnell were on their way to victory before Richard Hennessy powered up from corner back to land an eighty yard leveller in the 61st minute of normal time and that magical moment set up an extra twenty minutes.
Extra time proved a step to far for the Cork men as Good Counsel who were more physical in the middle third of the field made their superior fitness count and once they got on a scoring role in extra time they were not going to be stopped claiming the Niall McInerney Cup for the first time in their history.
With two packed stands and fantastic singing and noise from both sets of supporters this game was set up, the skill on the field matched the excitement in the stands as free takers Liam Gosnell and Luke Sinnott got their respective sides off the mark in the opening five minutes from dead balls.
Liam Gosnell a talented, lightning fast corner forward raced clear to fire over Midleton CBS second point of the contest, but Good Counsel began to show more dominance winning more ball in midfield where Sean Nolan and Thomas O’Connor held the edge. This area of the field set up three quick fire points for the New Ross School as Nolan pointed and then balls into the inside corner forwards yielded points from Rory Higgins and Sam Wall.
Chris Coughlan and Sean O’Leary Hayes were making life very difficult for the Good Counsel forwards and their heroics in defence set up Liam Gosnell for his third point of the game. Wing forward Jim Ryan and impressive Rory Higgins were next to point for Good Counsel as the men in blue and white moved 0-6 to 0-3 in front after 17 minutes.
The game was fast and open and score were not hard to come by with the brilliant under foot conditions and Midleton CBS closed the gap to one point when Liam Gosnell added two more pointed frees for his side. Not to be out done by Gosnell, Good Counsel free taker Luke Sinnott added another for his side but fantastic scores on the 24th and 25th minutes from Daire Crotty and Liam Gosnell tied up the scores at seven points apiece.
The Wexford School had the final say in the opening half as Luke Sinnott and Rory Higgins converted fine scoring chances to send Good Counsel in front by 0-9 to 0-7 at half time.
Good Counsel added to their total immediately after the restart when Jim Ryan found space to point before the men in red from Midleton CBS hit back with superb points from Daire Crotty and Liam O’Shea.
Powerful midfielder Thomas O’Connor was next on the score board for Good Counsel when he was rewarded for some fine fielding in midfield. The real thorn in the Good Counsel side was Liam Gosnell but when he pointed again for Midleton CBS it was cancelled out by a pointed free by Luke Sinnott, leaving the scores at 0-12 to 0-10 in Good Counsel’s favour as the game moved into the final quarter.
The Cork men drew level soon however as Liam Gosnell and second half substitute Padraig O’Brien pointed on the run. Parity did not last long however at Midleton pushed two points clear and it was that man again Liam Gosnell as he added his ninth and tenth points of the game.
Good Counsel roared on by their huge support did not panic however and with three minutes remaining they tied the scores up at 0-14 to 0-14 with a Luke Sinnott 21 yard free and a point from Sean Nolan making sure of an exciting finish.
It was no surprise when Liam Gosnell got a sniff of another point for Midleton he dually obliged and looked to have sealed the win. But it was to be an incredible long range effort by Good Counsel corner back Richard Hennessy that saw his 80 yard strike sail over the bar to send the game to extra time as the final score after sixty minutes read 0-15 apiece.
A ten minute break in the dressing room seemed to work wonders for Good Counsel as they showed great composure for the first extra period, despite missing some early scoring chances they eventually hit the front as Darragh Hartley, Jimmy Sutton and Luke Sinnott pointed superbly. The defence of Good Counsel was immense in extra time with corner backs Cathal O’Connor and Jamie Myler sniffing out the threat in the corner while Jack Walsh and Richard Gill both oozed confidence under any high balls.
Good Counsel Goalkeeper Jack Byrne Doyle made some vital saves as Midleton began to look for a goal, and right before half time in extra time Good Counsel moved 0-19 to 0-15 in front as Luke Sinnott pointing for the sixth time in the game.
Midleton’s race was run they had nothing left to give as Good Counsel snuffed out several scoring chances and with a sweeper employed in the second half of extra time any balls sent in by the Cork men were dealt with by Good Counsel.



Sounds a cracker - really tough on Midleton - hate to say it but charachter building, a great achievement- part of the rising tide of cork underage hurling - they will surely get another attempt over next few years for an AI

There's nothing wrong with character of midelton schools from Saturday

Another wonderful insight again from you and you weren't even at the match

To say these it's character building wrong when they already have huge huge character, character and courage of lions.
Keep up the good work.

Cu Baire

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with character of midelton schools from Saturday

Another wonderful insight again from you and you weren't even at the match

To say these it's character building wrong when they already have huge huge character, character and courage of lions.
Keep up the good work.

Why the personal digs?
You comment a lot on character of players and teams here.
I have no doubt this Midleton team that is a favourite of yours has huge huge character as you say but it is also true that if they use the hurt of this defeat to drive themselves on then it may stand to them at the end of the day.
I have to say that while you obviously have a vast knowledge of teams and players there does seem to be a personal bias coming through in a lot of your opinions.

zetecescort

Planning granted for Pairc Ui Chaoimh. While there are concerns about costs it is great to see it progress.

thinkstoomuch1

Cu Baire wrote: »

Why the personal digs?
You comment a lot on character of players and teams here.
I have no doubt this Midleton team that is a favourite of yours has huge huge character as you say but it is also true that if they use the hurt of this defeat to drive themselves on then it may stand to them at the end of the day.
I have to say that while you obviously have a vast knowledge of teams and players there does seem to be a personal bias coming through in a lot of your opinions.

One final comments to you I'm not wasting time then as you clearly want to use every opportunity to get involved with in tit for tat with me ye have enough problems in Waterford, I genuinely feel for ye,i am amazed you have real fascination cork thread lately.

You obviously make it your point to make point to criticise me in you with no cause gave dig at my. Writing style on harty cup thread rather personal dig,


Yet you again preach moral high ground


I made no personal dig

I said as he mentioned was not at the game fair enough don't blame him for that at all but I find it incredible He make reference to charachter in game he wasn't at.
I just find that a wonderful insight in it amazes me.

He said it was character building imo that means character wasn't there before hand which is incorrect as this young team huge huge character in that game and if you were there you would realise that.
Midelton were beaten by an exceptional team.
Character is always there.So of course I'll strongly oppose opinion character has be build when it's already there.

I also have never believed in criticising young lads at this age group so it's not a bias towards midelton.

I'm biased my options shows real paucity in your post in the
Majority know I'm far from it
Wrong wrong wrong midelton are not a personal favourite as you hint at, hammies, ag mhuire colmans are etc

Any cork team Is in truth

The reason I give huge praise midelton as you clearly have no idea, is well simple really

Won two dean Ryan cups, two rice cups,two all Ireland final, callaghan cups and white cup recently so simple and actually when you apply good logic that I would be praising midelton

I ain't a midelton man but indeed cork gaa man.

thinkstoomuch1

Best of luck to cork lads tonight both sides huge game.

seventh7

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Best of luck to cork lads tonight both sides huge game.

Anyone have the throw in times for the Harty games on Wednesday.

Cu Baire

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

One final comments to you I'm not wasting time then as you clearly want to use every opportunity to get involved with in tit for tat with me ye have enough problems in Waterford, I genuinely feel for ye,i am amazed you have real fascination cork thread lately.

You obviously make it your point to make point to criticise me in you with no cause gave dig at my. Writing style on harty cup thread rather personal dig,


Yet you again preach moral high ground


I made no personal dig

I said as he mentioned was not at the game fair enough don't blame him for that at all but I find it incredible He make reference to charachter in game he wasn't at.
I just find that a wonderful insight in it amazes me.

He said it was character building imo that means character wasn't there before hand which is incorrect as this young team huge huge character in that game and if you were there you would realise that.
Midelton were beaten by an exceptional team.
Character is always there.So of course I'll strongly oppose opinion character has be build when it's already there.

I also have never believed in criticising young lads at this age group so it's not a bias towards midelton.

I'm biased my options shows real paucity in your post in the
Majority know I'm far from it
Wrong wrong wrong midelton are not a personal favourite as you hint at, hammies, ag mhuire colmans are etc

Any cork team Is in truth

The reason I give huge praise midelton as you clearly have no idea, is well simple really

Won two dean Ryan cups, two rice cups,two all Ireland final, callaghan cups and white cup recently so simple and actually when you apply good logic that I would be praising midelton

I ain't a midelton man but indeed cork gaa man.

Another wonderful insight again from you.
Keep up the good work.

thinkstoomuch1

Cu Baire wrote: »

Another wonderful insight again from you.
Keep up the good work.

Thanks very very much means a lot.

thinkstoomuch1

seventh7 wrote: »

Anyone have the throw in times for the Harty games on Wednesday.

One.30

Mallow and ballygran
I ll go probably colmans
You going ag mhuire Game

Midelton game Is it going ahead Wednesda???!

Likely be cork. Limerick,tipp in quaters no Waterford team it seems could happen if it does awful for them I would think sad to seebut Waterford hurling truly entering an awful period just my opinion at most grades.

sean mac

TTM, Cuthbert has gone to ground on this issueflanagan he brought his buddy from Waterford with him. Incredible to think with all the skilled top of the range practitioners of s&c in cork bith senior teams have outsiders doing the job!!!

thinkstoomuch1

Some very interesting cork gaa news in the next week I expect very very interesting indeed.

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

TTM, Cuthbert has gone to ground on this issueflanagan he brought his buddy from Waterford with him. Incredible to think with all the skilled top of the range practitioners of s&c in cork bith senior teams have outsiders doing the job!!!

Fair point but David Matthews is absolutely brilliant all credit due.

Durrant called up cork football Sean
What do you makes him
Your a very astute poster with real knowledge Sean so if I may please like your view point

What do make Hodnet Kevin canty
Have given my views

Any idea Sean who new strength and conditions coach is

seventh7

I will probabaly run down to Mallow to see the Ag game. Should be very interesting. This one will hang on a knife edge. Looking forward to see The brothers gunning and company. This could be a pivotal game for the destination of the Harty. If the Ag step up their game and Dane Lee shows up it could be very positive for the northside school.

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair point but David Matthews is absolutely brilliant all credit due.

Durrant called up cork football Sean
What do you makes him
Your a very astute poster with real knowledge Sean so if I may please like your view point

What do make Hodnet Kevin canty
Have given my views

Any idea Sean who new strength and conditions coach is

I don't rate durrant as anywhere near inter county level, he is simply being called in based upon an excellent county final. We already have hard working half forwards, the difference between some of them and durrant is that they contributre regularly on the scoreboard. Canty is too slow but wrth a look as for hodnett again wont make it imo. I hear Stephen o Donoghue is called in and he should certainly have got more game time with counihan, has his time passed? an excellent defender and he is fouling less, however his use of the ball is not up to inter county standard HOWEVER if we had a top class coach he would make it, but wont in this set up.
I think the s&c is a fella from Waterford with a back ground in boxing who works with Flanagan, don't know how good or bad he is, but I know ainle was well regarded and has the credentials to back it up. 'Unfortunate' that he has left and unusual that the decision is only made now seeing as the squad met up over a month ago.

CORKDOUBLE

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Some very interesting cork gaa news in the next week I expect very very interesting indeed.

Football or Hurling ? good or bad TTM ? Any news on a coach for the Minor hurlers ? thanks in advance again for your outstanding posts ....any chance you would get a job in the Examiner it would be worth buying then !!!

thinkstoomuch1

Ul freshers panel in training for freshers in spring but playing in league final v ucc tonight

I won't make the game but this could be epic

Trevor horgan cork minor and newestown football and hurler and ex hammies star is on ul panel and but for injury would started games imo he had shoulder injury end this year then hamstring also if he clears run will improve and is fine hurler
Starting tonight apparently at midfield

I mentioned ul panel freshers specifically as its so talented and all fifteen practically all twenty eight panel or so approximately or very close to most have been involved with their respective counties on minor teams or panels or at least development squads so there very talented bunch and by playing in probably in the best ever Ul fresher team assembled huge favourites imo win all ireland in spring and favourites for game Monday, among such talent or even training with such talent this will improve trevor horgan and cork development players Darren o driscoll hurling and should be watched for trials for cork u21

Even if they don't make the team training so that intense they will benefit from it is in which Bruff intermediate manager great manager over see operation Gary kirby runs ul team but coach is Declan Fitzgerald cork man, who's young modern top top, coach, some hurling drills are brillant and everything is done such pace and intensity that horgan and driscoll imo will benefit from coaching and if they can improve their hurling they will do it.


He imo is one destined for bigger things, has thought at schools,intercounty minor and u21 with limerick, college with Ul,senior club with Tipperary, cork development squads, certainly huge impressive cv at a very very young age and if I was cork county board I'd be getting lad's like him etc involved in cork,

These lad's horgan and driscoll are lucky in two cork men are working in environment in working on top class facilities in ul to train, top top coach, and huge hurling talents around them, they can learn off, and horgan in particular never unfortunately had that luxury in cork intercounty now with cork in yes he had talent and facilities of high standard but unfortunately based on management records alone none of hes minor manager or  had managerial skillset as proven by their records in the game to get the best out of a team.
They have that now in ul and they have a chance of getting noticed playing for Ul and progressing to the fitzgibbon cup team in years to come.
Ucc and cit saved cork hurling in the past in the dearth of a tragic famine in minor and u21 for cork, we know ucc with ger blue noel furlong, mcgrath etc will do the same again, cit with pat and donal mulchay likewise but ul will help hopefully horgan in particular develop as he's imo top prospect and should be imo on u21 and cork intermediate hurling panel next year year and possibly football even though imo he's a better hurler.

Horgan will develop under irwin also if he makes the team in cork 21

I saw the ist trials fresher take place ul grass parish in September when I posted it in old cork thread on summers e evening,I travelled down then limerick as I heard then this set up had huge potential this year and that night ger cunningham Ul was there overseeing the trials with Eoin brislane even though there not directly involved in fresher, brislane etc is with fitzgibbon cup so he's overseeing next crop talent he'll have in two years at fitzgibbon
While ger cunningham still has a role is still over ul hurling


Team for tonight per programme
Team: 1.Gavin Ryan Tipperary sub minor goal keeper before

2.Eoghan Costello Ard scoil last year limerick minor

3.David Fitzgerald.clare minor before

4.Michael Casey ard scoil na pisrsaigh senior limerick minor last year


5.Jack Keating clare development before

6.Leigh Bergin  laois minor before excellent .

7.Stephen Ryan doon limerick minor last year

8.trevor horgan cork newestown minor cork football and hurling

9.Colin Crehan.ard scoil goal harty cup final v doon clare minor last year

10 Ian galvin clare minor ard scoil played with before


11 Kevin Bergin laois minor before

12 Alan Murphy top scorer all ireland minor championship brother Eoin kilkenny 3-46 kilkenny this year

13cian maloney clare minor before

14.Tom Morrisey limerick minor .this year
15.Paul Ryan Tipperary minor before

16.Conan Fitzgerald.

18.Stephen Dalton.
19.Stephen Roche.
20.Sean Finn limerick minor corner back Bruff corner forward intermediate munster final
21 Jason Stanley kilkenny minor
23.Donnacha Quinn.
24.Paraic McNamara
25. Richard Saunders
26.Liam Moloney.
27Darren o driscoll carrigtwohill



Ucc have excellent peter Cody in the coaching set up

Jack Barry castlelyons
Cian Walsh bishoptown they have
I wonder is it meant be barrs
Sean o donughe ballincollig called up cork senior minor dual captain chokiste choilm b all ireland
Very interested in him at full back I am
Greg Murphy newsestown
Aron ward Douglas plays forward normally
Niall cashman Blackrock
Sean farell midelton
Darragh Walsh clare
Cathal cormack rockies called up cork senior

Conor galvin clare
Mark dolan cork minor rocheestowm harty cup last year centre forward, imo better corner forward superb player imo
Patrick current Waterford minor excellent player
Kevin Kenny kilkenny
Donal hannon Newmarket superb v duhallow in u21 quater final earlier I saw him v Conor toomey a cork minor
Dylan Dawson limerick minor panelist this year been unreal for Blackrock limerick intermediate this year.
Very good forward

On panel is Padraig guest who played harty cup last year ag mhuire and plays na pisrsaigh a like y senior player in the future imo



I'd expect ul to win but Sean o donughe will get a real test v tom Morrisey limerick minor full forward tonight.

Horgan v galvin or cormack should be a real test for both cork men

Niall cashman up against Bergin should be good but you expect him to mark kilkenny minor Murphy who sensational

Like wise ward v galvin like wise and farell on Bergin or Murphy

Ucc cork half back line have a tough game ahead tonight
Donal hannon v Fitzgerald or if he goes on Leigh Bergin who is brilliant centre back
Should be competitive as both teams will want to win it

Anyone going to it???


Sean thanks a million I agree with a lot that

You know the s and c coaching lad's name post it you can please


Seventh if you go throw up report please

I won't elaborate yet double as I want confirmation myself, normally post only if I'm very close to sure you can never be hundred per cent sure


Nothing regards cork minors I wouldn't be surprised if o dwyer took over it.
Ring may get some one
Either way I fully support ring a really great manager and the most unbiased, manager ever and doesn't do such nonsense or look after he's own or club loyalties, he's just picks on what he sees before him.
Awesome awesome I mean a great really really great manager double.
Cork blessed to have him last year.


http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/12/01/small-changes-can-make-a-big-difference/

The Article regards antrim lad
I love the headline, if cork applied that to the football team and made the small change of football manager it would make a huge difference.

I don't think some people fully realise that next year cork Could be so far behind the rest particularly kerry who will improve by another at least ten per cent we could be playing catch up with kerry football for a long time in 2016 even with new management that's why imo if relegated from the league imo cuthbhert and Co should be sacked.

As earlier you start a rebuilding programme better chance cork has of a full and complete recovery.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/12/01/rebels-still-rue-setantas-departure-to-oz/

Good read imo setanta if he stayed would have been corks greatest full forward in terms of goal scoring rate ever, I truly believe.
He was unmarkable and as Donovan said he was raw but imo a rough diamond, he with proper coaching would have been phenomenal however as much as I like to think that I get a cold penetrative shiver down my spine as reality dawns, setanta would never been that great as the strikes would of happened still and the aftermath with Denis Walsh costing great cork players two years of their career so as great as setanta was cork hurling would have failed this guy like it done before and cork football is doing to colm o Neill and Brian hurley etc.
Looking back on what happened setanta was blessed he left imo.
For all we know Denis Walsh could have played him at half forward, going by he's awful team selections.


Great piece by o Donovan again.
However as much as its good to think what might been with regards setanta it is far important imo to focus on not something we can't change with setanta in that has been gone and lost but hopefully they will rather focus on the present here and now, live in the moment and do pieces on what we can change and save in realising that Brian hurley,o Neill, doc,o rourke, crowley etc will be yes in different way but imo same principle lost to cork football in future as their talents like setanta won't be truly developed to the elite de la creme of football and like setanta now in 2025 some writer may very well be doing a piece on why for example Brian hurley as sensational talent imo as setanta was never fully developed potential wise in a cork senior football jersey if things don't change and if next year is as bad as this they must be asking valid questions of management and what is right for cork football at the end of the day.
No one individual matters most in cork all that matters is cork football Is at the top top level.

big_drive

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ucc have excellent peter Cody in the coaching set up

Jack Barry castlelyons
Cian Walsh bishoptown they have
I wonder is it meant be barrs
Sean o donughe ballincollig called up cork senior minor dual captain chokiste choilm b all ireland
Very interested in him at full back I am
Greg Murphy newsestown
Aron ward Douglas plays forward normally
Niall cashman Blackrock
Sean farell midelton
Darragh Walsh clare
Cathal cormack rockies called up cork senior

Conor galvin clare
Mark dolan cork minor rocheestowm harty cup last year centre forward, imo better corner forward superb player imo
Patrick current Waterford minor excellent player
Kevin Kenny kilkenny
Donal hannon Newmarket superb v duhallow in u21 quater final earlier I saw him v Conor toomey a cork minor
Dylan Dawson limerick minor panelist this year been unreal for Blackrock limerick intermediate this year.
Very good forward

On panel is Padraig guest who played harty cup last year ag mhuire and plays na pisrsaigh a like y senior player in the future imo


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Just one small thing. Sean O'Donoghue is actually the Inniscarra club not Ballincollig. But would have been in school there as you mentioned

Rebel1977

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Great appointment. A very good coach. But a lot of good guys in Blackrock could have done this job.

I have to agree with you and I believe the cost is €150 per night a lot of money to be paying out when they should have excellent guys in the club considering the underage and u21 success they have had in the last number of years.

Smith614

These coaching costs are crippling a lot of clubs. Coaches with zero success are getting €100-€120 per night into their hand. The day of locals coaching their club team is dying out due to financial gains on offer training outside teams. Any coach involved until August/sept can expect a min. Of €7000 and that is cash. Nice money .

Figsy32

Rebel1977 wrote: »

I have to agree with you and I believe the cost is €150 per night a lot of money to be paying out when they should have excellent guys in the club considering the underage and u21 success they have had in the last number of years.

It was offered to a few in the club who all turned it down for various reasons. Going outside wasn't the first port of call I'm told.