ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

AudreyHepburn · 17-11-2014 01:20PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

niallo27 wrote: »

What agenda are you pushing here.

I'm pushing no agenda....I just can't believe this country has gotten to the stage where we condone trapping a 60+ woman into her car, threatening her, throwing things at her and chasing her.

Phoebas · 17-11-2014 01:22PM

donfers wrote: »

no it's not - he probably gets those sorts of threats every few days

So, this guy thinks there are bomb threats every few days....

Streetwalker wrote: »

Bomb threat my arse. This is establishment PR to demolish the protesters. Anyone who didn't see this coming to be quite frankly a fool.

... and this guy thinks bomb threats couldn't possibly happen.

People really try to go out of their way to avoid the simple explanation when it doesn't suit them.

niallo27 · 17-11-2014 01:31PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm pushing no agenda....I just can't believe this country has gotten to the stage where we condone trapping a 60+ woman into her car, threatening her, throwing things at her and chasing her.

That's fair enough but your posts seem to very anti anti-water protests even against the thousands of peaceful protesters.

gandalf · 17-11-2014 01:31PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

ROCKMAN wrote: »

While these acts may effect the number of feet on the ground ,Will it stop people still using their biggest weapon/from of protest when it comes to IW and the charges , That is non-payment ,This can/will be done from the safety of their homes .

Think the biggest mistake in hindsight will be leaving such a gap between protests and giving the other side a chance to regroup and attack .

Oh without a doubt the item that is probably triggering the panic in Government circles is the non compliance with the sign up.

However having the extra pressure point of public protest is very useful as well.

I disagree with the timing, the Government side and their supporters have made very bad use of the time between protests. If anything their actions or misreading of the situation has provided a lot more oxygen to sustain the protests.

If the leaks about the further backtracking with the charges is to be believed then all I can see is the protest movement being sustained further.

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 01:31PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

homerjay2005 wrote: »

and dont bother with this nonsense that everybody on the dole is portrayed as a scumbag - they are not. however, theres 1000's of people who contribute nothing to this country and should at least have to suffer because of this.

However, you and the people who think like you, in your eagerness to make people "suffer" will condemn 100,000's to the same suffering. People, who in the vast, vast amount of cases find themselves in receipt of social welfare payments through no fault of their own.

You know, I've know a lot of people with your mentality, they were all "cut the dole" blah, blah, during the boom years and then when the down turn happened and they lost their jobs, they ended up on the dole they were calling for reductions in previously.

They all STFU pretty quickly.

If this country went some way to providing sustainable work for its population, there wouldn't be a need for a welfare system.

But, it doesn't so there is and by and large it's needed by people who never intended to be there in the first place.

Foxhound38 · 17-11-2014 01:31PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

niallo27 wrote: »

What agenda are you pushing here.

:rolleyes:

donfers · 17-11-2014 01:33PM

Phoebas wrote: »

So, this guy thinks there are bomb threats every few days....

... and this guy thinks bomb threats couldn't possibly happen.

People really try to go out of their way to avoid the simple explanation when it doesn't suit them.

whereas this guy seems to be suggesting we just follow the government line on things (a tactic that has served us so well in the past and an outcome that is sure to shine the light of honesty, integrity, credibility and authenticity on the issue at hand)

ThunbergsAreGo · 17-11-2014 01:34PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

gandalf wrote: »

If the leaks about the further backtracking with the charges is to be believed then all I can see is the protest movement being sustained further.

The backtracking is rather staggering, no reason why protests wouldnt continue

gladrags · 17-11-2014 01:35PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My immediate and extended family has voted for Labour,and has also canvassed for Labour ,since the 1940's.

Never again.

The feeling of betrayal and anger among former Labour voters,that the party so many worked tirelessly for,has abandoned them, is palpable.

Labour in truth, have now lost their core vote, and unless they can muster up the courage to recognise this,they are heading for oblivion.

They are at the moment bad mouthing they very people they should be supporting.

Scurrilously and shamelessly,using smear tactics and propoganda.

They will be get their just rewards at the next election.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2014 01:36PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Tony EH wrote: »

If this country went some way to providing sustainable work for its population, there wouldn't be a need for a welfare system.

The government is not there to provide people with jobs. People have to go out and get a job.

Would you mind telling us what the government can do other than it is doing to create jobs? Are you a communist? Do you think the government should hand jobs out to everyone? And we can all have equal pay, equal rights, equal lives, equality in poverty. It's all bull**** these people talk about the government and job creation. The arguments rarely go beyond simple soundbites.

rob316 · 17-11-2014 01:36PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so part of that 2.5% can go to those who really do need it. Money isnt the answer to all problems however, we need more affordable housing, more childcare provisions, educational programmes for disadvantaged areas and multiple other initiatives. however, money is so important to this greedy little nation of ours, its all people care about.

I know what your saying but the SW debate is for another day. I agree with what else you said above, but for me it all comes down to the YES MEN we have running our country. A radical shake up is needed, not just FG continuing on where FF left off. If Sinn Fein is the party to bring change so be it, I am just tired of the same problems and nothing been done.

gandalf · 17-11-2014 01:37PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

naughtb4 wrote: »

The backtracking is rather staggering, no reason why protests wouldnt continue

Yes even I am surprised at them but then again it appears that FG are crumbling from within given some of their councillors are openly voting for motions to abolish Residential Water Charges.

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 01:41PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm pushing no agenda....I just can't believe this country has gotten to the stage where we condone trapping a 60+ woman into her car, threatening her, throwing things at her and chasing her.

Hang on a minute.

She's not Mrs Miggins down the road. She is the leader of the Labour party, a party that has been against water charges for decades and who has done a complete about face on that previous stance in order to provide the likes of millionares like John Tierney with obscene salaries and bonuses for little or nothing and to raise taxes to pay for bankers gambling debts, while greasing the wheels for future privatisation of a most essential public resouce, under the guise of "fixing" Ireland's water infrastructure.

It's no wonder, at all, the some of the people her and her party claim to represent in Irish society are getting very angry with her and her bullshitting over this issue.

While I don't condone throwing water balloons at her, we need to be a bit realistic here.

rob316 · 17-11-2014 01:41PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The government is not there to provide people with jobs. People have to go out and get a job.

Would you mind telling us what the government can do other than it is doing to create jobs? Are you a communist? Do you think the government should hand jobs out to everyone?

Eh don't think you understood his post. How can you get a job if there is none? The government through tactics and benefits could create jobs but don't seem interested, instead they gave us the wonderful slave labour Job Bridge. All they care about is getting people off the live register and duking the stats for the EU/IMF.

We need people in charge who will break up the status quo and make change.
We are Europe's bitch and you can blame this coalition for jumping into bed with them.

ROCKMAN · 17-11-2014 01:41PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

gandalf wrote: »

Oh without a doubt the item that is probably triggering the panic in Government circles is the non compliance with the sign up.

However having the extra pressure point of public protest is very useful as well.

I disagree with the timing, the Government side and their supporters have made very bad use of the time between protests. If anything their actions or misreading of the situation has provided a lot more oxygen to sustain the protests.

If the leaks about the further backtracking with the charges is to be believed then all I can see is the protest movement being sustained further.

I agree I think they're actions and backtracking is solely down to public pressure and it needs to be kept up. IMHO They are on the ropes in regard to the water charges and IW in general and that the changes been wheeled out this week are a Hail Mary move.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2014 01:44PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

rob316 wrote: »

Eh don't think you understood his post. How can you get a job if there is none? The government through tactics and benefits could create jobs but don't seem interested, instead they gave us the wonderful slave labour Job Bridge. All they care about is getting people off the live register and duking the stats for the EU/IMF.

We need people in charge who will break up the status quo and make change.
We are Europe's bitch and you can blame this coalition for jumping into bed with them.

Complete nonsense. Give me one solid sensible policy change that would go some way to providing more jobs in this country. Just one.

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 01:45PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The government is not there to provide people with jobs. People have to go out and get a job.

Then why is number one on every party's political agenda when they're looking for power. :rolleyes:

It MOST CERTAINLY IS part of government resposibility to help provide the situations and circumstances that facilitate employment for a nations citizens.

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 01:48PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are you a communist?

Fücking hell :rolleyes:

efb · 17-11-2014 01:48PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Tony EH wrote: »

Then why is number one on every party's political agenda when they're looking for power. :rolleyes:

It MOST CERTAINLY IS part of government resposibility to help provide the situations and circumstances that facilitate employment for a nations citizens.

I think this government have been doing this, in fairness to them

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2014 01:50PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Tony EH wrote: »

Then why is number one on every party's political agenda when they're looking for power. :rolleyes:

It MOST CERTAINLY IS part of government resposibility to help provide the situations and circumstances that facilitate employment for a nations citizens.

Give one policy change that would do that. Enda Kenny is all over the world trying to get people to invest in this country with actually a lot of success contrary to belief in some quarters. Would you rather that was Gerry Adams?

Ireland does not exist independently of the rest of the world. We are dependent on foreign sentiment to this country and always will be. We have to put our best foot forward to get jobs in here which in turn create local jobs and help local businesses. That is all we can do.

Anyone who suggests otherwise is living in cuckoo land and if they think electing fruit cakes because they don't like water charges is the answer then we will suffer the consequences of that. You will know what austerity looks like then if it's the shinners doing our bidding.

emo72 · 17-11-2014 01:51PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Complete nonsense. Give me one solid sensible policy change that would go some way to providing more jobs in this country. Just one.

Here is one. Take all the money pumped into IW so far, and not one leak fixed yet. Pay people to go out and fix leaks. It would have created loads of real jobs and the money that was earned would have been spent in the economy starting a snowball effect. Oh and the infrastructure would be improved also.

Cantona's Collars · 17-11-2014 01:51PM

I agree with metered water charges

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Well, these pro water taxer's do want us to follow the examples set by other countries!

Except when the citizens of other countries oppose unjust taxation and policies of it's governments.;)

AboutaWeekAgo · 17-11-2014 01:52PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Give one policy change that would do that. Enda Kenny is all over the world trying to get people to invest in this country with actually a lot of success contrary to belief in some quarters. Would you rather that was Gerry Adams?

Ireland does not exist independently of the rest of the world. We are dependent on foreign sentiment to this country and always will be. We have put our best foot forward to get jobs in here which in turn create local jobs and help local businesses. That is all we can do.

Anyone who suggests otherwise is living in cuckoo land and if they think electing fruit cakes because they don't like water charges is the answer then we will suffer the consequences of that. You will know what austerity looks like than if it's the shinners doing our bidding.

He didn't mention Sinn Fein once yet you feel the need to bring it up. Why?

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 01:52PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

emo72 wrote: »

Here is one. Take all the money pumped into IW so far, and not one leak fixed yet. Pay people to go out and fix leaks. It would have created loads of real jobs and the money that was earned would have been spent in the economy starting a snowball effect. Oh and the infrastructure would be improved also.

So when that €180 million is spent on infrastructure .... (Or 9 months worth in other terms).... What then?

Its step 2 that always baffles the far-left.

rob316 · 17-11-2014 01:53PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Complete nonsense. Give me one solid sensible policy change that would go some way to providing more jobs in this country. Just one.

Abolish Job Bridge for one, reduce Employers PRSI, give employers a grant for taking people off the live register and giving them full time work for a period of no less than 12 months.

There a businesses out there who need more man power but just fall short on the finances to hire them, these benefits who would help them.

That's just a few all sensible and possible if the will was there to do it.

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 01:54PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

rob316 wrote: »

reduce Employers PRSI, give employers a grant for taking people off the live register and giving them full time work for a period of no less than 12 months.

Both have been done already!

Next!

Tinkersbell · 17-11-2014 01:54PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ahern and his government bribed their way through a number of successive governments ffs.

FG learned well so.
At least we understand now that bribery is the name of the game......

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2014 01:55PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

emo72 wrote: »

Pay people to go out and fix leaks.

So once again the only answer appears to be get the government i.e the taxpayer to pay people to fix leaks. Leaks fixed a few €100m later what then?

Tony EH · 17-11-2014 01:56PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would you rather that was Gerry Adams?

What the fück are you talking about.

Where did I mention Gerry Adams?

Jesus Christ...absolute clownish nonsense.

:pac:

emo72 · 17-11-2014 01:56PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

So when that €180 million is spent on infrastructure .... (Or 9 months worth in other terms).... What then?

Its step 2 that always baffles the far-left.

I think you'll find its much more than 180 million. And just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm far left.

Not everyone that doesn't support FG FF LAB is a communist.

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