**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Can you show us the Business Case Analysis for that?

Sure

Cost of doing a simple subtraction sum = 0

Cost of purchasing new equipment and training employees = much more

Hope that helps.

gandalf wrote: »

OK for the record I am not a Water Engineer and I have never claimed to know what the best method is.

Are you a Water Engineer?

Is that an assumption from your perspective about the cheapest method?

Again I am assuming that an organisation that is charged with delivering a service where there is verifiable wastage has a means to track that wastage and a means to locate where the wastage occurs before meters were placed outside peoples homes. The fact that they give statistics out for water loss would suggest to me that they already are tracking losses and have a very good idea where the bad ones are.

Again I would suspect that there is some funding from that €1.3 BILLION to discover where the issues in wastage are? Wouldn't you? Or are you just going to continue nitpicking for the sake of it

You make a lot of assumptions of competence on the part of the councils considering the mess the network is in.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

Could you repeat the question?

Its about debate, debate the points i raised. This is what the forum is for. none of you have chosen to debate the points because they appear to difficult or are too close to home.

BoJack Horseman

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

listermint wrote: »

Address the post. I dare you.

I agree with the bulk of that post Lister.

But by Christ, do you gave to be such a snarky pr*ck about it?

While you are adept at pointing out the sh*t salad that is most of what IW is, outlining a better alternative is like kryptonite to you.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

ThisRegard wrote: »

Give it a rest with the tired old name calling.

'Shill' can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws.


I would hardly call that name calling now ? And i never said you prescribe directly to the philosophy.

Do you ?

Are you happy to praise heap on mediocre offerings and apologise for glaring flaws ?

listermint

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

listermint wrote: »

Its about debate, debate the points i raised. This is what the forum is for. none of you have chosen to debate the points because they appear to difficult or are too close to home.

What are the points you raised?

gandalf

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You make a lot of assumptions of competence on the part of the councils considering the mess the network is in.

Oh I know I am but then again some of the people who were charged with managing Water Delivery for the councils are now the management of Irish Water and the CC staff who were carrying out the work are now seconded to IW to carry out repairs.

Are you happy with that? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

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Stargate wrote: »

Again i ask you where in the link does it say

The anti-water charge vigilantes have burnt out two vans in Cork ???

Making stories up you are , try again.

I don't need to make this up, this is what happened. Unnamed people went into a council yard that had lots of vehicles in it, found and targeted the two IW vans, set fire to those alone, ignored the rest.

It's a fair assumption seeing that there is mass protests against IW, that the perpetrators were anti-IW, seeing as they were the only vehicles targeted and set ablaze during the height of the protests.

vigilante
ˌvɪdʒɪˈlanti/Submit
noun
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority.


I can't believe I had to explain this, as if talking to a child :rolleyes:

This ridiculous playing dumb in the face of the utterly obvious, does nothing at all for your cause.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I agree with the bulk of that post Lister.

But by Christ, do you gave to be such a snarky pr*ck about it?

While you are adept at pointing out the sh*t salad that is most of what IW is, outlining a better alternative is like kryptonite to you.

I have outlined a better alternative, and yes i will be a snarkly prick about it. These lads are messing around with our water security of the nation. excuse me if i take umption with it. You are totally aware how this commodity is viewed on the markets now, and how it will be continued to be viewed.

We need to take hold of it.

To reiterate, the brakes should be put on IW now. The money used to fix the infrastructure for a start and bring in some nominal charge for the water processing. not for payments to another HSE style mongoose.

So if i come across snarky, i bloody well am when people are out there calling people scroungers, anarchists, lefties, looneys.

There are plenty of ideas to resolve this, and i wont apologise for looking for them and asking questions rather than willfully paying another tax, just for the sake of it.

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Stargate wrote: »

I am from Cork , rumour around here is an undercover Guard did it?

Proof ?

Have none , just like you !

ha ha, tinfoil hat time.

gladrags

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Streetwalker wrote: »

Bomb threat my arse. This is establishment PR to demolish the protesters. Anyone who didn't see this coming to be quite frankly a fool.

The Gardai should be able to trace the call

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

What are the points you raised?

So you have none then.

Okay.

Thanks Mary.

A Dub in Glasgo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Sure

Cost of doing a simple subtraction sum = 0

Cost of purchasing new equipment and training employees = much more

Hope that helps.

Yep, that's clinched it, I have put you forward for Dragon's Den

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

nm wrote: »

The anti-water charge vigilantes have burnt out two vans in Cork

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-investigate-as-two-irish-water-vans-found-burnt-out-in-cork-651283.html

Stargate wrote: »

How do you know know they were anti-water vigilantes?
Please provide proof or a link. Thank You .

nm wrote: »

It seems obvious to me, from the info in the link I already posted.

Are you suggesting these particular vans were hit by sheer co-incidence? Or that this is part of massive conspiracy by the government to discredit the anti-water protests? Taking it to a new level, burning out vans.
Interesting if so, let's hear more.

Stargate wrote: »

Again i ask you where in the link does it say

The anti-water charge vigilantes have burnt out two vans in Cork ???

Making stories up you are , try again.

Stargate wrote: »

I am from Cork , rumour around here is an undercover Guard did it?

Proof ?

Have none , just like you !

nm wrote: »

I don't need to make this up, this is what happened. Unnamed people went into a council yard that had lots of vehicles in it, found and targeted the two IW vans, set fire to those alone, ignored the rest.

It's a fair assumption seeing that there is mass protests against IW, that the perpetrators were anti-IW, seeing as they were the only vehicles targeted and set ablaze during the height of the protests.

vigilante
ˌvɪdʒɪˈlanti/Submit
noun
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority.


I can't believe I had to explain this, as if talking to a child :rolleyes:

This ridiculous playing dumb in the face of the utterly obvious, does nothing at all for your cause.

Yeah right , a person is now " guilty " because its utterly obvious

Grow up sonny ffs.

Beaner1

The demonstrators do their own counter PR. The videos they put up "proving" their cause usually shows them to be horrible whining knackers that decent people would run a mile from.

They combine some of the worst traits of humanity, often in the one person. Entitled, ignorant, stupid, mouthy, opinionated, deceitful, manipulative and shameless. Their default strategy is to play the victim as that is where the argument is one as far as they are concerned. They are the victim of the banks. Victims of the government (despite all voting for team Bertie and being heavily paid off). Victims of the gardai despite them being incredibly restrained. THey will always do their best to present made up situations where kids, women and old people are being attacked.

gladrags

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I seem to recall that that's exactly what some suggested if you couldn't see that that photograph was photoshopped! :pac:

Yeah,and when Kenny said the USC charge was "temporary"...

Among other lies.

AboutaWeekAgo

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Beaner1 wrote: »

They combine some of the worst traits of humanity, often in the one person. Entitled, ignorant, stupid, mouthy, opinionated, deceitful, manipulative and shameless.

Fair play Beaner, you've summed up the current goverment to a tee.

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Stargate wrote: »

Yeah right , a person is now " guilty " because its utterly obvious

Grow up sonny ffs.

Indeed, I'm the one being childish in this argument. :pac:

Carry on..

Phoebas

Stargate wrote: »

I am from Cork , rumour around here is an undercover Guard did it?

Proof ?

Have none , just like you !

I suppose its possible that you're not playing dumb after all.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

nm wrote: »

Indeed, I'm the one being childish in this argument. :pac:

Carry on..

I made my point. Thank you .
You still haven't backed up what you said .
End of story .

Bye now.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

I suppose its possible that you're not playing dumb after all.

Ah come on now Phoebas , you should know i do try to be fair :P

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Stargate wrote: »

I made my point. Thank you .
You still haven't backed up what you said .
End of story .

Bye now.

I've explained what I said and my assumption and reason for that assumption already in detail most 5 year olds could understand, you don't seem to have grasped it but that's okay.

tayto lover

Going Forward wrote: »

We've learned a lot about Irish politicians and Irish Water since.

We've learned that our politicians are watery.

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

gandalf wrote: »

The whole purpose of introducing Water Charges is to secure and preserve the supply of water isn't it?

We're being told that our infrastructure is falling apart and figures of water wastage being bandied about as a justification for the setting up of Irish Water.

You're not going to get any of that from Irish Water.

Preservation? Don't make me laugh. They've already said if water is preserved they'll up the price.

:pac:

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

nm wrote: »

I've explained what I said and my assumption and reason for that assumption already in detail most 5 year olds could understand, you don't seem to have grasped it but that's okay.

I get your point , your assumption is that of a 5 year old .

I will just move on please if you don't mind.

Thanks.

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

homerjay2005 wrote: »

people who worked and lost their jobs, deserve social welfare.

those who never worked, dont deserve what they are getting. you are deliberately twisting the reality and lumping honest, long term tax payers who lost their jobs, in with those who never worked in their life.

and here is where the hypocrisy and inconsistency lies, but i doubt you will accept this and admit that our social welfare system is very flawed.

No, I'm not.

You're saying that the "dole needs to be cut by 2.5%" for 1000's of people. But, in that cut, you'll be also making 1000's of others "suffer" too, because these type of cuts are never so targeted.

It's simple to understand.

If you're talking about JUST cutting 2.5% off of the miniscule amount of people who've never had a job, you'll only recoup a few grand. It wouldn't even worth the bureaucratic effort.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

I wonder how things will go for our Taoiseach when he gets to Sligo this evening?

I just hope it all stays peaceful , both for the protesters and the Gardai alike.

Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt over this .

gladrags

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

SF are putting themselves forward as the alternative. Therefore who should educate yourself as to their policies if you are talking about alternatives. Because that is the alternative.

There are other alternitaves.

Constitutional change to make politicians and State institutions accountable.

Particularly when they are in power.

The present model is corrupt,and is not fit for purpose.

Without accountability and transparency,we will remain stagnant.

Introduce a Special powers Act, ala 1970's...

And intern the bankers,thats a good start.

gandalf

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tony EH wrote: »

You're not going to get any of that from Irish Water.

Preservation? Don't make me laugh. They've already said if water is preserved they'll up the price.

:pac:

Pathetic isn't it! They torpedoed one of the pillars of the whole Water charging scheme with that slip

It's almost like they had an "Anti-PR" Manager working for them

Beaner1

I have a cousin, decent guy and all, living in a scummy council house. He believes there are is some serious stuff being planned by a few hardcore "protestors". Assassination level stuff. Some of these shinners genuinely believe that a revolution is around the corner.

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

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