**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Maybe you are right about where the protestors stand but standing nice and quietly to the side makes it alot easier from their issues to be ignored , just saying..
But my main point is you are assuming that its always the protestors that start when on more than one occasion it has been the heavy-handed approach by an Garda that have helped to enflame the situation.

I agree with you in some ways also there could be a Garda who gets over the top like the guy in the video say people wanting batons and water cannon brought in I don't think that would help it would as you say inflame the hole thing standing quietly would not have a lot of impact I agree also but where do you draw the line people are giving out about the gardai but the have to do there job I'd be fairley sure a lot of them would love to give Joan or enda a thump themselves but the can't ....

I think myself the gardai are making a lot of big mistakes allowing the protestors so close to the vehicles/people it's allowing the situation to grow and anger to spill over the need to make a buffer zone in these situations

I'm not pro water charges they are aload of bullsh1t but the gardai are caught in the middle it's not there fault yes there is a few mad men who go OTT but there is also a few protestors the same I can see somebody get seriously hurt at this soon
And no mater what side you are on water charges are not worth ANY Garda protestor or whoever getting hurt

so this appears to be the mentality of a protester at the moment.

The protests are peaceful.
Its Endas fault.
F*ck the bankers, its their fault too.
Not our debt.
Its Denis O' Briens fault.
Lets Boycott Topaz.
IW workers are scum.
That photo was fake.
That poor innocent man in Dundalk.
The Independant are scum.
No IW men should be allowed on peoples property
We already pay for water.
Well ya, the photo is still fake.
Its all one big conspiracy.
The guards are scum.
That man who threw the brick, was actually a guard.
The Eu can f*ck off.
It wasnt a brick, it was a balloon.
Paul Murphy for Taoiseach.
Its all Joans fault, she deserved it, but it was peaceful.
Its not our fault.

While I don't agree with the level of intimidation we saw in Jobstown, the writing was on the wall, this was coming. And I'm expecting to see more of it.

Noonan, Kenny, Burton none of them has taken the "little people" seriously. They pass comments, about how we have nice phones, how they have weathered the protests of a small minority, FG councillor saying we should collect the rain water at protests and drink it, threatening to cut child benefit if we don't accept Irish Water.

Now they will use what happened in Jobstown against us, they think we are absolute fools.

They don't care about our interests they care about meeting the EU/IMF requirements of the bail out fund.

So the people with there moral outrage, lift your head from the keyboard and wake up. For the pain and suffering this mob have caused us, they are fair game IMO.

Banjo String wrote: »

Pain?

Looked to me it was more of a "WTF did we just do"? Pose.

Looks like he's in pain TBH could have been any reason maybe one of his fellow gardai hit him or she did anyting but he's in pain

I think it’s a sad state of affair how the discussion about Irish Water has moved the country into a position in which a small minority of aggressive protesters are making headlines instead of a discussion about Irish Water not being fit for purpose or what alternatives we can use to ensure that the country will still (or for some finally) have a working water supply for the years to come.

We have a water problem in this country (high amount of leaks, bad water quality) and with the climate change going on, it is going to get worse.

But instead of talking about solutions to this we are discussing violence done by a small group of “protesters” with the express consent of a TD who stands there saying that it all was peaceful. Violence by protesters or Gardaí is wrong and it does a disservice to the discussion and will only lead to each site digging further into their position without a chance of a civil discussion.

Now the next time real peaceful protestors are going out we all will suspect it turn violent and the state will do the same leading to possible overreactions and further violence, something that needs to be avoided.

We need to come back to the main point, right now the government is going to ask us to pay 76€ a year for water charges which is peanuts compared to other countries, however the administrative cost for that 76€ and the 100€ refund will drain Irish Water of the funds they need to invest into the infrastructure. We need to have a discussion about that and what can be done about this crazy reactive policies that do not look further than a couple of month down the road.

Where is the leadership to look years down the road and explain to people why we need a better water system and what the real cost of it is. Once that is all clear we can discuss what the best way of financing is with the majority of people determining what the right way is, democracy after all is where the majority tells the minority where to go. It’s not a perfect system but it’s a system that is better than being ruled by a dictator of mob.

that blitz everyone was talking about earlier in North Dublin saying the government wouldn't be so stupid

Well it looks like there stupid cause its happening

https://www.facebook.com/DublinSaysNo.DSN/photos/a.908978679128640.1073741840.850647988295043/1003051806387993/?type=1&theater

dublin-texas wrote: »

I think it’s a sad state of affair how the discussion about Irish Water has moved the country into a position in which a small minority of aggressive protesters are making headlines instead of a discussion about Irish Water not being fit for purpose or what alternatives we can use to ensure that the country will still (or for some finally) have a working water supply for the years to come.

We have a water problem in this country (high amount of leaks, bad water quality) and with the climate change going on, it is going to get worse.

But instead of talking about solutions to this we are discussing violence done by a small group of “protesters” with the express consent of a TD who stands there saying that it all was peaceful. Violence by protesters or Gardaí is wrong and it does a disservice to the discussion and will only lead to each site digging further into their position without a chance of a civil discussion.

Now the next time real peaceful protestors are going out we all will suspect it turn violent and the state will do the same leading to possible overreactions and further violence, something that needs to be avoided.

We need to come back to the main point, right now the government is going to ask us to pay 76€ a year for water charges which is peanuts compared to other countries, however the administrative cost for that 76€ and the 100€ refund will drain Irish Water of the funds they need to invest into the infrastructure. We need to have a discussion about that and what can be done about this crazy reactive policies that do not look further than a couple of month down the road.

Where is the leadership to look years down the road and explain to people why we need a better water system and what the real cost of it is. Once that is all clear we can discuss what the best way of financing is with the majority of people determining what the right way is, democracy after all is where the majority tells the minority where to go. It’s not a perfect system but it’s a system that is better than being ruled by a dictator of mob.

Is our water going to be better though? All I hear is PR bull**** in attempt to get us to accept these charges.
The goal of Irish Water is to bring in revenue your head is deep in the clouds if you think its anything else.

shinzon wrote: »

that blitz everyone was talking about earlier in North Dublin saying the government wouldn't be so stupid

Well it looks like there stupid cause its happening

https://www.facebook.com/DublinSaysNo.DSN/photos/a.908978679128640.1073741840.850647988295043/1003051806387993/?type=1&theater

If this is happening it's stupid and is going to cause murders...... IMO the hole installation should be put on hold till this is sorted out this rubbish is going to get out of hand at some stage and I think we would all agree whatever side we are we don't want that

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

After what happened the past few days this is just asking for more trouble.

Workers going about their lawful business is 'asking for trouble' now?

If people would just keep their protests peaceful and obey the court injunctions and the instructions of the Gardai there doesn't need to be any trouble.