**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

@ ThisRegard.

Nice ninja edit.

Massive facepalm for you mucker.

Banjo String wrote: »

Fair enough.

Honestly didn't read it.

I hope he's charged, further more, I seen footage this morning showing Joan Burton getting hit on the right hand side of her head with an egg. Disgusting, definitely not the route I want the protests to go down.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

sjb25 wrote: »

If this is happening it's stupid and is going to cause murders...... IMO the hole installation should be put on hold till this is sorted out this rubbish is going to get out of hand at some stage and I think we would all agree whatever side we are we don't want that

I think the protesters sealed their fate with their attack on Bruton. I would not be surprised if the whole approach by the government has changed. Nor will I be surprised if there are a large number of arrests today.

ROCKMAN

I do not want to pay for water in any way

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

After what happened the past few days this is just asking for more trouble. Surely if everyone will be paying the same price for 3 years or however long the flat rate is they don't have to be in such a race to install meters?

That is a very good point ,

Highflyer13

I do not want to pay for water in any way

sjb25 wrote: »

If this is happening it's stupid and is going to cause murders...... IMO the hole installation should be put on hold till this is sorted out this rubbish is going to get out of hand at some stage and I think we would all agree whatever side we are we don't want that

Here here, a move like this just plain and simple looks like they are trying to incite big trouble and kill the overall momentum of the anti-water protests. Hopefully the protesters don't bite.........

dav3

I can understand the anger of people towards water charges, what I fail to understand is the anger from people desperate for these charges to go through. Hoping that these charges will get pushed through and accepting that we all must have metered water, no questions asked.

They can't all be government shills, although I haven't seen such a mobilisation of government shills across all forums and websites since the second Lisbon Treaty referendum.

Is it ideological? They see a certain person associated with a protest and their default position is to take the opposite stance regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Do we really have so many spineless, subservient cowards in our country that will accept anything that is thrown at them without question?

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

I talked to my friend working in government circles this morning.
He says the government are delighted. They are delighted because all the focus has moved to the smaller, isolated protests and that they venom of those protests will "spook" the majority of ordinary quieter protesters.
I am not saying who is right or wrong but a significant drop in protester numbers on Dec 10th is inevitable if this bad press keeps up. I have never had any time for Burton but hitting her with a water balloon is a disaster in terms of PR.

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dav3 wrote: »

I can understand the anger of people towards water charges, what I fail to understand is the anger from people desperate for these charges to go through. Hoping that these charges will get pushed through and accepting that we all must have metered water, no questions asked.

They can't all be government shills, although I haven't seen such a mobilisation of government shills across all forums and websites since the second Lisbon Treaty referendum.

Is it ideological? They see a certain person associated with a protest and their default position is to take the opposite stance regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Do we really have so many spineless, subservient cowards in our country that will accept anything that is thrown at them without question?

Stockholm Syndrome.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

At least we won't have to hear the bull about pps numbers being sold now that the social is handling them.

reprazant

dav3 wrote: »

I can understand the anger of people towards water charges, what I fail to understand is the anger from people desperate for these charges to go through. Hoping that these charges will get pushed through and accepting that we all must have metered water, no questions asked.

They can't all be government shills, although I haven't seen such a mobilisation of government shills across all forums and websites since the second Lisbon Treaty referendum.

Is it ideological? They see a certain person associated with a protest and their default position is to take the opposite stance regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Do we really have so many spineless, subservient cowards in our country that will accept anything that is thrown at them without question?

The country is currently borrowing about a billion a month. This means that money needs to be saved from some where. That means either a tax increase and a number of cuts to welfare, health, education, etc. Are you ok with that or do you want the government to blindly keep borrowing?

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, she ran in front of our Prime Ministers car. Were they to wait until she got run over or possible lobbed a bomb at him? They did the right thing in shoving her out of the way.

LOL. And you lot accuse us of hyperbole.
A fellow citizen, a young woman, gets fired like a rag doll against a metal bollard and all you can do is sneer.
You and your fellow travellers disgust me and, I'd suggest, most rational thinking people in this state.

omega666

Red Pepper wrote: »

I talked to my friend working in government circles this morning.
He says the government are delighted. They are delighted because all the focus has moved to the smaller, isolated protests and that they venom of those protests will "spook" the majority of ordinary quieter protesters.
I am not saying who is right or wrong but a significant drop in protester numbers on Dec 10th is inevitable if this bad press keeps up. I have never had any time for Burton but hitting her with a water balloon is a disaster in terms of PR.

I attended the last protest and i won’t be attending the next one. Expect
a significant decrease in numbers. Attacking and intimating Politicians and ordinary Irish water workers is not something I or a lot of people want to be associated with.

sjb25

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think the protesters sealed their fate with their attack on Bruton. I would not be surprised if the whole approach by the government has changed. Nor will I be surprised if there are a large number of arrests today.

You could well be right

steamengine

I agree with metered water charges

shinzon wrote: »

that blitz everyone was talking about earlier in North Dublin saying the government wouldn't be so stupid

Well it looks like there stupid cause its happening

https://www.facebook.com/DublinSaysNo.DSN/photos/a.908978679128640.1073741840.850647988295043/1003051806387993/?type=1&theater

However the metering plays out in this constituency , there will be in the not too distant future a general election. Two of the three sitting TD's have already and wisely jumped ship. They must be reading our minds - a lot of people will vote for Independents who have the interests of the working classes at heart and not the smoked salmon socialists who forgot their election promises a few months in.

sjb25

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Here here, a move like this just plain and simple looks like they are trying to incite big trouble and kill the overall momentum of the anti-water protests. Hopefully the protesters don't bite.........

I'd reckon they will bite

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

At least we won't have to hear the bull about pps numbers being sold now that the social is handling them.

'They can stick their €100 up their arse' too.
I won't be engaging with them.
How pathetic is this failing government when they think they can buy people off with a miserable €100...
Ahern or Haughey wouldn't have tried such an obvious bribe..

rob316

dublin-texas wrote: »

Seriously? I am constantly making the point that the charge can not result in any revenue at all, 76€ is not enough to cover the cost of Irish Water and the repayment of the 100€ by the department of social protection.

The admin cost for the repayment and the processing of the applications, the cost at Irish Water are going to eat up the 76€ and leave nothing to do the needed infra structure investment.

That is what the discussion should be about, we need to go back to the basics in the challange of getting water to everybody.

So why not disband the whole thing if its not going to bring in any revenue and is going to probably loose money.

Doesn't the €76 to placate the masses, tell you this is nothing more than a revenue making exercise. If they really cared about our water supply they would hold strong on the first mooted charges.
IMO everyone involved in the set up of this company should be sacked and replaced, it has been a disaster start to finish.
I mean who handles their PR and more importantly the governments.

I could have probably got behind Irish Water if they got the message across that there goal was to improve our water infrastructure.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Red Pepper wrote: »

I talked to my friend working in government circles this morning.
He says the government are delighted. They are delighted because all the focus has moved to the smaller, isolated protests and that they venom of those protests will "spook" the majority of ordinary quieter protesters.
I am not saying who is right or wrong but a significant drop in protester numbers on Dec 10th is inevitable if this bad press keeps up. I have never had any time for Burton but hitting her with a water balloon is a disaster in terms of PR.

But seemingly it's ok to fire a young woman against a metal post.
PR???

A Dub in Glasgo

Tinkersbell wrote: »

But seemingly it's ok to fire a young woman against a metal post.
PR???

There are those who refuse to see that way, they will see a metal bollard jump up and hit a rabid protester whilst the Garda was trying to ensure her safety

dav3

reprazant wrote: »

The country is currently borrowing about a billion a month. This means that money needs to be saved from some where. That means either a tax increase and a number of cuts to welfare, health, education, etc. Are you ok with that or do you want the government to blindly keep borrowing?

We all know what we are borrowing, we all know that the government just passed a budget that gave more money to the wealthy than to the poor.

We all know that the money taken from this tax will go towards the quango set up, paying off our debts and only a fraction (if even that) into improving the water infrastructure in this country.

I have no problem paying additional taxes for welfare, health or education. I do have a problem paying taxes for water, taxes which we will see absolutely no benefit from, taxes which will pay for bonuses regardless of performance.

Fine Gael, same party, different shirt colour.

Highflyer13

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

But seemingly it's ok to fire a young woman against a metal post.
PR???

But will we see images and videos of the young woman being flung against the metal post in the mainstream media? I think not.

A significant portion of the protesters, the 40+ rural Ireland demographic do not use social media and rely on mainstream sources for their news. They wont see all sides of the story. This is where some momentum will be lost with the PR spin I feel.

ThisRegard

Banjo String wrote: »

@ ThisRegard.

Nice ninja edit.

Massive facepalm for you mucker.

The edit was to complete my point after I accidentally hit off 'Post' on my phone. But sure don't let that stop you reading too much into it as is your want.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

But seemingly it's ok to fire a young woman against a metal post.
PR???

Joan on Morning Ireland RTE this morning - not a mention of this incident .

Typical .

ThisRegard

dav3 wrote: »

I can understand the anger of people towards water charges, what I fail to understand is the anger from people desperate for these charges to go through. Hoping that these charges will get pushed through and accepting that we all must have metered water, no questions asked.

They can't all be government shills, although I haven't seen such a mobilisation of government shills across all forums and websites since the second Lisbon Treaty referendum.

Is it ideological? They see a certain person associated with a protest and their default position is to take the opposite stance regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Do we really have so many spineless, subservient cowards in our country that will accept anything that is thrown at them without question?

Such bull****, I still don't know why there's people like you out there that can't understand why people understand the economic situation we're in and why the need for water charges.

The modus operandi of people like you is to dismiss them as shills rather than engage in any form of debate.

homerjay2005

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Red Pepper wrote: »

I talked to my friend working in government circles this morning.
He says the government are delighted. They are delighted because all the focus has moved to the smaller, isolated protests and that they venom of those protests will "spook" the majority of ordinary quieter protesters.
I am not saying who is right or wrong but a significant drop in protester numbers on Dec 10th is inevitable if this bad press keeps up. I have never had any time for Burton but hitting her with a water balloon is a disaster in terms of PR.

as Enda said yesterday, this is not about water now. the vast majority of people turning up to these local protests have other agendas to grind.

the most baffling aspect however is that i am sure theres some many of these protesters unemployed and receiving benifits from the state. considering that we have some of the most generous social welfare rates in Europel, these people should be bending over to help Joan Burton as she is a big reason those crazy Social Welfare payments still exist.

ThisRegard

Tinkersbell wrote: »

'
Ahern or Haughey wouldn't have tried such an obvious bribe..

Ahern and his government bribed their way through a number of successive governments ffs.

In Lonesome Dove

reprazant wrote: »

The country is currently borrowing about a billion a month. This means that money needs to be saved from some where. That means either a tax increase and a number of cuts to welfare, health, education, etc. Are you ok with that or do you want the government to blindly keep borrowing?

And yet with the deficit and hole that exists, they found millions of money to set IW up. 100 thousands more to pay out in the form of pay packets. The government could have implemented a a flat rate system for the councils to collect like similar to car tax instead of IW and jobs for the boys.

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

But seemingly it's ok to fire a young woman against a metal post.
PR???

I did not say that was right either. I am just talking about the optics of it all and the effect it will have. I might be anti-IW but I am also in PR so I have an inate ability to see things in a neutral way and the fact is that these heated protests will not help the overall cause. The government fears huge protester numbers more than anything else because huge numbers mean lots of votes lost and that gets the backbenchers very very upset.

AboutaWeekAgo

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

Joan on Morning Ireland RTE this morning - not a mention of this incident .

Typical .

She must have been delighted when everything kicked off the other day. Since it happened she hasn't been off tv/radio giving interviews. PR dream.

ThisRegard

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

She must have been delighted when everything kicked off the other day. Since it happened she hasn't been off tv/radio giving interviews. PR dream.

You can thank the naivety of Paul Murphy for that.

Phoebas

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

She must have been delighted when everything kicked off the other day. Since it happened she hasn't been off tv/radio giving interviews. PR dream.

Yeah. It looks like a small number of unruly protesters have just handed a victory to the government.