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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #1082
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    LOL at the protesters.

    Can't even agree what they're protesting about.


  • #1083
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    323 wrote: »
    +1

    Although IMO this has already gone way beyond IW.

    Saddest thing of all is the the established political parties have had their head up their own A holes for so long they don't seem to get that IW is just the last straw.
    They're totally out of touch and are effectively handing the country to Sinn Fein.
    God help any middle income earners left in the country (the evil well off) in SF's socialist utopia.

    God help us all if SF ever get into power, although I have said before it would be almost worth seeing them in power at this stage to shut their supporters up once and for all. Let them ruin the country have them voted out after a couple of years when the realisation of what happens when you elect a party with the economic understanding of a fungus dawns on their supporters.

    I mean their policies at this stage appear to be 'abolish the water charges', right then Mary Lou what happens when you do that how will you pay for water provision, 'well look we haven't thought that far ahead yet, so rather than me answer that I am going to deflect your question by ranting about Irish Water and the current government'

    Then there is the wonderful independents, Mick Wallace who cant even manage his own finances, and Clare Daly who well just Clare Daly says it all. Imagine them trying to work together with the rest to make some sound economic decisions, yeah can't see anything bad coming from that anyway!!!


  • #1084
    Red Pepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Barely There wrote: »
    LOL at the protesters.

    Can't even agree what they're protesting about.

    Come on now Frano, even you barely cant take anymore. :D


  • #1085
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I agree with metered water charges
    IW has instructed contractors to add the IW/GMC Sierra logos to their vehicles at their own discretion,before it was mandatory.They realise the anger out there and are trying to be as low key as possible when in an area.


  • #1086
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Barely There wrote: »
    LOL at the protesters. Govt.

    Can't even agree what they're protesting about supposed to be charging us, despite the meters 'going live' 6 weeks ago .

    Better.


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  • #1087
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    These protestors are acting purely in self interest. If any of them were individually let off having to pay then they'd be fine with others paying. Plain and simple.


  • #1088
    Red Pepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Peist2007 wrote: »
    These protestors are acting purely in self interest. If any of them were individually let off having to pay then they'd be fine with others paying. Plain and simple.

    I thought you were in your ebola bunker?


  • #1089
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,100 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Barely There wrote: »
    LOL at the protesters.

    Can't even agree what they're protesting about.

    Very childish post there.
    Unlike the FG posters here the protesters are not programmed.


  • #1090
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Barely There wrote: »
    LOL at the protesters.

    Can't even agree what they're protesting about.


    You're right.
    What they need is the whip system to turn them into total one vision automatons.


  • #1091
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    shinzon wrote: »
    ill just leave this here

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205403377147775&pnref=story

    Shin
    Oh look, a video posted with no context. That's new.

    Man tells someone annoying him to "fnck off". More on this at 7.


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  • #1092
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    geeksauce wrote: »
    At this stage I am somewhat lost in relation to the point of the protests, are people protesting because they don't want to pay for water, or are they happy to pay for water but are protesting about having to pay Irish Water for it?

    It seems confusion like this in relation to the ultimate goal of the protesters will only diminish their ability to get a positive result.

    Its a big no to Irish Water from all. We will not accept it. I've said it before and I'll say it again I think state of the nation protests are needed. A lot of peoples gripes go beyond IW. This country has been ran into the ground time and time again by successive corrupt governments with little regard for the general population and now the tipping point has been reached.

    Look at our hospitals and the housing crisis at the minute and a highly bureaucratic grossly inflated public sector with no appetite for change. The list goes on. Huge reform is needed with FG and FF consigned to the dustbins of history and the nation started from scratch.

    I think that's what people really want and hope is the outcome of these protests. A huge vacuum could be left on the centre right when all is done which is quite concerning.


  • #1093
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It should have been left with the Co Councils in my opinion.
    Left with the county councils, and...?

    We would still have a big hole in our finances needing plugging. What's your suggestion?


  • #1094
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    seamus wrote: »
    Left with the county councils, and...?

    We would still have a big hole in our finances needing plugging. What's your suggestion?

    Outside of IW, it needs to be similar to the LPT. Affects everyone with a dwelling regardless of tax. Council people are still doing their jobs with the water infrastructure. Revenue could be brought in and there's no issues (if ever there was) with PPS numbers.

    Seamus, do you think IW is needed as a separate entity or would the above do?

    For the people who don't want to pay more though, I've no idea. There isn't a solution.


  • #1095
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, a video posted with no context. That's new.

    Man tells someone annoying him to "fnck off". More on this at 7.

    Way to ignore the obvious 3 things

    1) The man told him he didn't want a meter was told to **** off

    2) the man told him he did not get the pack was told to **** right off

    and

    3) If the guards had of been there they would have arrested the man instead of the worker whose abusing him

    what more context do you need a break down scene by scene of the video looking for any edits or cuts, perhaps what the man was doing from the time he got up in the morning till the time he clicked record on the phone

    christ almighty like

    Shin


  • #1096
    Red Pepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Its a big no to Irish Water from all. We will not accept it. I've said it before and I'll say it again I think state of the nation protests are needed. A lot of peoples gripes go beyond IW. This country has been ran into the ground time and time again by successive corrupt governments with little regard for the general population and now the tipping point has been reached.

    Look at our hospitals and the housing crisis at the minute and a highly bureaucratic grossly inflated public sector with no appetite for change. The list goes on. Huge reform is needed with FG and FF consigned to the dustbins of history and the nation started from scratch.

    I think that's what people really want and hope is the outcome of these protests. A huge vacuum could be left on the centre right when all is done which is quite concerning.

    Absolutely spot on (except you forgot Labour). Filling that vacuum will be the key issue. Better to create a vacuum than accept the mediocre.


  • #1097
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    geeksauce wrote: »
    No but developing a system whereby everybody pays for the water they use and pays the same amount for the water they use, we are at least guaranteed some level of fairness. As it stands now the higher earners are paying far more for their water than the lower earners.

    Nobody is going to get any "fairness" from Irish Water.

    Besides the "dole" argument has nothing to do with any concept of "fairness", it's just boils down to plain old bitterness.


  • #1098
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, a video posted with no context. That's new.

    Man tells someone annoying him to "fnck off". More on this at 7.

    When it's a protester doing the 'fcuking offs' towards a gard or meter installer, they're being agressive, abusive, and dissident Ra-heads.

    Unbelievable :pac:


  • #1099
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tony EH wrote: »
    Nobody is going to get any "fairness" from Irish Water.

    Besides the "dole" argument has nothing to do with any concept of "fairness", it's just boils down to plain old bitterness.

    Yes bitterness that some sections of society are being heavily subsidised by others for far too long now and something needs to be done to change this. Metered charges would be a good starting point couple that with reductions in income taxes for the employed or reduction in the VAT rates.

    The hole left by these reductions can be filled by the employed paying for water directly through metered charges and the repairs to the system can be funded directly from those on SW paying directly for the water they use.


  • #1100
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    geeksauce wrote: »
    But that is where the confusion comes into it imo. At first I thought the protests were about trying to have the charges abolished now it appears that the protests are about trying to have Irish Water abolished, surely the organisers of the protests should have one clear goal in mind.

    There's no "confusion" for people who really paying attention.

    Irish Water is the crux of the protests, whether it's added to by other issues or derivatives there of, it still comes down to people not wanting Irish Water.


  • #1101
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tony EH wrote: »
    There's no "confusion" for people who really paying attention.

    Irish Water is the crux of the protests, whether it's added to by other issues or derivatives there of, it still comes down to people not wanting Irish Water.

    Right so the point of the upcoming protest will be to abolish Irish Water then?


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  • #1102
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Daith wrote: »
    Outside of IW, it needs to be similar to the LPT.

    There shouldn't be an LPT in first place.


  • #1103
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Would love to see every water charge protester post up their alternative solution.

    Guaranteed you'd have a different proposal from everyone of them and most of them pie-in-the-sky 'solutions'.

    All very well campaigning against something lads - that's easy. The hard part is agreeing an alternative.

    I'd actually love to see the Dail stocked full of Shinners, PBP, AAA's and various single issue independents - see how long they'd last - personally I'd give them 2 months maximum.


  • #1104
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tony EH wrote: »
    There shouldn't be an LPT in first place.

    Absolutely, I would much rather they abolish the LPT and introduce water charges.


  • #1105
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    geeksauce wrote: »
    Yes bitterness that some sections of society are being heavily subsidised by others for far too long now and something needs to be done to change this. Metered charges would be a good starting point couple that with reductions in income taxes for the employed or reduction in the VAT rates.

    The hole left by these reductions can be filled by the employed paying for water directly through metered charges and the repairs to the system can be funded directly from those on SW paying directly for the water they use.

    As I said...bitterness.

    :pac:


  • #1106
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Barely There wrote: »
    Would love to see every water charge protester post up their alternative solution.

    Guaranteed you'd have a different proposal from everyone of them and most of them pie-in-the-sky 'solutions'.

    All very well campaigning against something lads - that's easy. The hard part is agreeing an alternative.

    I'd actually love to see the Dail stocked full of Shinners, PBP, AAA's and various single issue independents - see how long they'd last - personally I'd give them 2 months maximum.

    This would be the greatest thing in the world, absolute comedy gold.


  • #1107
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tony EH wrote: »
    As I said...bitterness.

    :pac:

    Yep and not afraid to say it either, and certainly not alone in thinking it. It's high time certain people in our society begin to contribute to society or gtfo.


  • #1108
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Barely There wrote: »
    Would love to see every water charge protester post up their alternative solution...

    Ah...it's been fücking done numerous times already.

    Pay attention FFS.

    :rolleyes:


  • #1109
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Tony EH wrote: »
    As I said...bitterness.

    :pac:
    geeksauce wrote: »
    Yep and not afraid to say it either, and certainly not alone in thinking it. It's high time certain people in our society begin to contribute to society or gtfo.

    Plain old bitterness.

    Just means you're not worth listening to.


  • #1110
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tony EH wrote: »
    Plain old bitterness.

    Just means you're not worth listening to.

    Sure stop replying to my posts then


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  • #1111
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    I thought you might have had something interesting to say.

    But it's just plain old, tiresome, pathetic, bitterness.

    As the yanks say...my bad.

    :pac:


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