ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 10:52AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Fair enough, but i'd be interested to know had they facilities to leave the weapons in the vehicles or could they have been left at the station. Otherwise :eek: that this State would arm against protestors.

Yes they are in locked safes in the car combination locks the guys are wearing side arms so try get that of then and they are a mobile armed response unit if there is a bank robbery do u really think they should have to drive back to the station to get weapons lol that would be silly

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 10:55AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Fair enough, but i'd be interested to know had they facilities to leave the weapons in the vehicles(at the very least) or could they have been left at the station. Otherwise :eek: that this State would arm against protestors.

Here's one of the safes

Satriale · 10-11-2014 10:56AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

VinLieger wrote: »

Because IW and Sierra workers obtained an injunction from the courts against any protestors who stopped them from performing their work so guards were put in place to enforce that injunction similar to any other form of legal order that is being infringed upon.

The Gardai are well trained men and women well capable to deal with any protestors. No need for jackboots(except the public order unit if things got out of hand) and definitely no need for guns against the citizenry, this isnt feckin Bagdad.

The_Captain · 10-11-2014 10:57AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

masculinist wrote: »

The meat industry has no right to speak on this issue after their constant stream of reputational damaging mad cows with BSE , foot and mouth disease infected cattle, recalled dioxin contamination of pig meat due to shameful practices in that same meat industry etc etc. And thats only recently . I seem to remember Larry Goodman's ABP being bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions when the company went into examinership back in the 1990s. Translate that into todays money and you will have to sit down and breathe into a paper bag its so much.
The water protests only serve to increase Ireland reputation unlike the quislings in Dail Eireann who refuse to listen to the will of the people.

Pure media hysteria.

It wasn't dioxins, it was polychlorinated biphenyls, which are highly dangerous, exhibit similar properties to dioxins and can convert into dioxin compounds in certain circumstances.

Come on, this is primary school level organic chemistry

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:00AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

The Gardai are well trained men and women well capable to deal with any protestors. No need for jackboots(except the public order unit if things got out of hand) and definitely no need for guns against the citizenry, this isnt feckin Bagdad.

That is there uniform they work as armed officers so are armed they even do traffic stops they do all policing if are available and the closest unit people give out about response times in this case if they sent closest available unit who happin to be armed and they are wrong do you believe the armed unit should just not do anyting unless they are required as an armed unit that would be a massive waste of a resource

Satriale · 10-11-2014 11:10AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

sjb25 wrote: »

That is there uniform they work as armed officers so are armed they even do traffic stops they do all policing if are available and the closest unit people give out about response times in this case if they sent closest available unit who happin to be armed and they are wrong do you believe the armed unit should just not do anyting unless they are required as an armed unit that would be a massive waste of a resource

That's not what i said. They have sidearms, they could have left them in the gun safe. The fact they carried them means it was nothing but a show of jackboots. Any more than they have they any business of sidearms at traffic stops unless they are looking for armed criminals.

VinLieger · 10-11-2014 11:12AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

The Gardai are well trained men and women well capable to deal with any protestors. No need for jackboots(except the public order unit if things got out of hand) and definitely no need for guns against the citizenry, this isnt feckin Bagdad.

Did they use guns? No they were simply the closest unit at the time when one was needed that is all. Of course that won't stop the anti-water charges conspiracy theorists from jumping on it.

Satriale · 10-11-2014 11:19AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

VinLieger wrote: »

Did they use guns? No they were simply the closest unit at the time when one was needed that is all. Of course that won't stop the anti-water charges conspiracy theorists from jumping on it.

Why would they use them? A gun is much more useful as a threat.

As for conspiracy theories... dissidents, communists, reds, trotskyites, they are all out to get us wooooooo :rolleyes:

Cantona's Collars · 10-11-2014 11:20AM

I agree with metered water charges

VinLieger wrote: »

Did they use guns? No they were simply the closest unit at the time when one was needed that is all. Of course that won't stop the anti-water charges conspiracy theorists from jumping on it.

I took that at face value,they were most likely the nearest Gardai in the area.It does look intimidating when an armed officer appears though.

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:23AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

That's not what i said. They have sidearms, they could have left them in the gun safe. The fact they carried them means it was nothing but a show of jackboots. Any more than they have they any business of sidearms at traffic stops unless they are looking for armed criminals.

You said a minute ago the other weapons in the care better be well protected they are in a safe in a combination those to officers would know so they need side arms to protect themselves at all times so people can't force them to give that combination also there is a lot of plain clothes officers maybe even at these protests who would also have a sidearm of some sort maybe not as noticeable but they have them it's just a fact that weapons are carried by these officers as primary role is an armed unit that's what they do but they are being well used to do other policing it's not a big deal they didn't try intimidate anybody and not as if they pulled the gun on the protesters they wear a side arm for there safety and the public that's all

VinLieger · 10-11-2014 11:24AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

zerks wrote: »

I took that at face value,they were most likely the nearest Gardai in the area.It does look intimidating when an armed officer appears though.

Of course it does but imagine how the worker's feel when they are just trying to do their job and are met with from the videos that I have seen can be some quite aggressive protestor's. Im not saying the protestors are being violent but there are some that have behaved quite aggressively.

ROCKMAN · 10-11-2014 11:31AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Garda HQ : Anybody free around blaa blaa Street ,Anti Water crowd at it again.

Armed Unit : John Paul here ,We're 5 mins away ,will we go and have a look.

Garda HQ : JESUS DO.. will scare the **** out of them ...

Ok above may be made up

but you could see it happen... :pac:

Satriale · 10-11-2014 11:33AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

sjb25 wrote: »

You said a minute ago the other weapons in the care better be well protected they are in a safe in a combination those to officers would know so they need side arms to protect themselves at all times so people can't force them to give that combination also there is a lot of plain clothes officers maybe even at these protests who would also have a sidearm of some sort maybe not as noticeable but they have them it's just a fact that weapons are carried by these officers as primary role is an armed unit that's what they do but they are being well used to do other policing it's not a big deal they didn't try intimidate anybody and not as if they pulled the gun on the protesters they wear a side arm for there safety and the public that's all

If i understand what you are writing, you are saying that people could force them to open the safe and get access to the guns. That's insane, like i said, this isnt a Warzone. I cant picture one of those old ladies holding an umbrella to the neck of a cop asking for his machine gun.

Fair enough if the ARU were the closest unit to hand, but they should have left their weapons in the vehicle.

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:33AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

That's not what i said. They have sidearms, they could have left them in the gun safe. The fact they carried them means it was nothing but a show of jackboots. Any more than they have they any business of sidearms at traffic stops unless they are looking for armed criminals.

Would you be happy if a criminal gang took the officers hostage and forced them to open the safe in the car took all weapons and ammo in the car and used it in a robbery that's why the officers are wearing sidearms

Cantona's Collars · 10-11-2014 11:35AM

I agree with metered water charges

VinLieger wrote: »

Of course it does but imagine how the worker's feel when they are just trying to do their job and are met with from the videos that I have seen can be some quite aggressive protestor's. Im not saying the protestors are being violent but there are some that have behaved quite aggressively.

Well it is Clonmel after all:D

We had another protest here Saturday morning,nothing massive but just something to remind those in power that we are still around.

VinLieger · 10-11-2014 11:36AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

That's not what i said. They have sidearms, they could have left them in the gun safe. The fact they carried them means it was nothing but a show of jackboots. Any more than they have they any business of sidearms at traffic stops unless they are looking for armed criminals.

Armed Gardai have to wear their sidearms when on duty that's what the armed part mean's. The other weapons are kept in the car if needed but the sidearm's cannot be left in the car.

ROCKMAN · 10-11-2014 11:36AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

sjb25 wrote: »

Would you be happy if a criminal gang took the officers hostage and forced them to open the safe in the car took all weapons and ammo in the car and used it in a robbery that's why the officers are wearing sidearms

too much Love/Hate....

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:37AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

If i understand what you are writing, you are saying that people could force them to open the safe and get access to the guns. That's insane, like i said, this isnt a Warzone. I cant picture one of those old ladies holding an umbrella to the neck of a cop asking for his machine gun.

Fair enough if the ARU were the closest unit to hand, but they should have left their weapons in the vehicle.

Not the old lady maybe a criminal gang are following them looking for some free guns you can say it's not war zone and no it's not but if for one second you thinks some gangs would not try that you are living a fantasy I'm sorry but it's the cold reality the world is not a nice fluffy place you would not believe some things that happin and are not reported a proper unit has to be ready for anyting and that unit is

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:39AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

ROCKMAN wrote: »

too much Love/Hate....[/look you guys no best leave all the wepons in the car sure notting could happin then if someting does then scream bloody murder about the gardai not being prepared look I get what you are saying yes it probably won't happin but a proper armed police or military unit must be ready for anyting that COULD possibly happin that why they wear side arms they don't put em on to scare people

ROCKMAN · 10-11-2014 11:42AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

sjb25 wrote: »

Not the old lady maybe a criminal gang are following them looking for some free guns you can say it's not war zone and no it's not but if for one second you thinks some gangs would not try that you are living a fantasy I'm sorry but it's the cold reality the world is not a nice fluffy place you would not believe some things that happin and are not reported a proper unit has to be ready for anyting and that unit is

What age are you and what reality are you living in ,Yes a criminal gang are going to take on a highly trained unit to get their hands on a few firearms because that's so much easier than any other option....

Really

Satriale · 10-11-2014 11:43AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

sjb25 wrote: »

Would you be happy if a criminal gang took the officers hostage and forced them to open the safe in the car took all weapons and ammo in the car and used it in a robbery that's why the officers are wearing sidearms

I wouldn't imagine there are too many criminal gangs out protesting water charges(more likely to be enforcing them:D).

Satriale · 10-11-2014 11:44AM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

VinLieger wrote: »

Armed Gardai have to wear their sidearms when on duty that's what the armed part mean's. The other weapons are kept in the car if needed but the sidearm's cannot be left in the car.

Thanks for clearing that up, if the option wasnt there, it wasnt there.

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:46AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

ROCKMAN wrote: »

What age are you and what reality are you living in ,Yes a criminal gang are going to take on a highly trained unit to get their hands on a few firearms because that's so much easier than any other option....

They are a highly trained unit inFIREARMS you are saying leave the guns intbe car they are now not highly trained if somebody pulls says a knife and open that press there what would you do if open it I get what you are saying it's far fetched yes but can you say it will not happin if you can then fine leave the guns in the car if not they need them and I'm 28 and I work in this area

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:48AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up, if the option wasnt there, it wasnt there.

This is all iv been saying they wear a side arm for security of themselves and vehicle that's all

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:51AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

ROCKMAN wrote: »

What age are you and what reality are you living in ,Yes a criminal gang are going to take on a highly trained unit to get their hands on a few firearms because that's so much easier than any other option....

Really

The reason a gang would not try this is because they are armed at all times if they only put on wepons at specific times it may be different is what I'm trying to say

Barely There · 10-11-2014 11:57AM

Can't be arsed trawling back through the last few pages, but I'm presuming the Guards have shot a few protestors?

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 11:58AM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Barely There wrote: »

Can't be arsed trawling back through the last few pages, but I'm presuming the Guards have shot a few protestors?

Lol

Creative Juices · 10-11-2014 11:59AM

Folks, you are arguing about the minutiae which is exactly what the Pro-government people want you to do. Don't feed the Stockholm Syndrone trolls.

The arguments should be about Water charges, the setup of Irish Water, the cronyism within Irish Water, the pay and bonuses within Irish Water, the overstaffed bureaucratic "organisation" of Irish Water, the Customer Service from Irish Water, Privatisation plans, the media bias on Irish Water, the arrogance and ignorance of the government in relation to Irish Water, the plans or lack thereof for the water infrastructure repair etc etc

VinLieger · 10-11-2014 12:00PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Creative Juices wrote: »

Folks, you are arguing about the minutiae which is exactly what the Pro-government people want you to do. Don't feed the Stockholm Syndrone trolls.

The arguments should be about Water charges, the setup of Irish Water, the cronyism within Irish Water, the pay and bonuses within Irish Water, the overstaffed bureaucratic "organisation" of Irish Water, the Customer Service from Irish Water, Privatisation plans, the media bias on Irish Water, the arrogance and ignorance of the government in relation to Irish Water, the plans or lack thereof for the water infrastructure repair etc etc

That's deffinitely part of the problem but we still should be paying for water by metres

sjb25 · 10-11-2014 12:02PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Creative Juices wrote: »

Folks, you are arguing about the minutiae which is exactly what the Pro-government people want you to do. Don't feed the Stockholm Syndrone trolls.

The arguments should be about Water charges, the setup of Irish Water, the cronyism within Irish Water, the pay and bonuses within Irish Water, the overstaffed bureaucratic "organisation" of Irish Water, the Customer Service from Irish Water, Privatisation plans, the media bias on Irish Water, the arrogance and ignorance of the government in relation to Irish Water, the plans or lack thereof for the water infrastructure repair etc etc

You are right back to water I say.....

**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Comments

ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP