**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

twowheelsgood

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Is not 1 and 7 the same?

Ummm

I suppose it could be possible that someone isn't opposed to meters but would like the billing to be via LA's?

Just some ideas and change the wording to something better if you wish.

twowheelsgood

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Ummm

I suppose it could be possible that someone isn't opposed to meters but would like the billing to be via LA's?

Just some ideas and change the wording to something better if you wish.

I suppose you could throw in a couple of options for the honest. I.e

1. I'll support everything the government do no matter what
2. I'll oppose everything the government do no matter what

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Going Forward wrote: »

According to this source:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/enfo/irelands-environment/water/water-in-ireland/

the Agri sector uses some 70% of water produced.

Puts everything into a different context doesn't it?

If Agriculture is using potable water then yes, it does, but I would expect that significant quantities of water used in agriculture is extracted from rivers or boreholes without being treated in any way.

That said, long term, under the EU directives, agricultural use has to come within the monitoring and usage management, as the whole situation regarding usage has to be watched to avoid long term problems. The real issue is going to be the rate per 000 litres that is charged, as IW's rates at the moment seem to be nearly double those of the LA's that they are replacing. Most agriculture won't have a waste disposal charge though.

Curly Judge

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

moxin wrote: »

From Gene Kerrigan http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/building-mr-kennys-legacy-of-deceit-and-distrust-30729113.html

I hadn't read Kerrigan for years.
Prompted to read him by the above post I'm shocked at the level to which journalism in this country has descended.
Kerrigan is now just a bagman for the hard left.
While making every allowance for the fact that the government has made a balls of Irish Water, I didn't expect the tone and quality of his writing to have descended to the level of the average ill educated malcontent.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might be forgiven for thinking that DOB had deliberately employed him and facilitated his diatribe to cast scorn on the very position Kerrigan espouses.
He has done that thing common in Ireland and condemned himself out of his own mouth.
He's a disgrace to his profession.

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Irish Steve wrote: »

If Agriculture is using potable water then yes, it does, but I would expect that significant quantities of water used in agriculture is extracted from rivers or boreholes without being treated in any way.

That said, long term, under the EU directives, agricultural use has to come within the monitoring and usage management, as the whole situation regarding usage has to be watched to avoid long term problems. The real issue is going to be the rate per 000 litres that is charged, as IW's rates at the moment seem to be nearly double those of the LA's that they are replacing. Most agriculture won't have a waste disposal charge though.

No farmer would let their stock drink from a river, as they wouldn't know what is in it! Remember all those old Westerns?

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Curly Judge wrote: »

I hadn't read Kerrigan for years.
Prompted to read him by the above post I'm shocked at the level to which journalism in this country has descended.
Kerrigan is now just a bagman for the hard left.
While making every allowance for the fact that the government has made a balls of Irish Water, I didn't expect the tone and quality of his writing to have descended to the level of the average ill educated malcontent.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might be forgiven for thinking that DOB had deliberately employed him and facilitated his diatribe to cast scorn on the very position Kerrigan espouses.
He has done that thing common in Ireland and condemned himself out of his own mouth.
He's a disgrace to his profession.

The 'Independent' group are a disgrace to journalism.

Creative Juices

Deleted User wrote: »

No farmer would let their stock drink from a river, as they wouldn't know what is in it! Remember all those old Westerns?

Farmers let cattle drink from rivers and lakes all around Ireland.

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Deleted User wrote: »

No farmer would let their stock drink from a river, as they wouldn't know what is in it! Remember all those old Westerns?

I was thinking more about any watering of crops that is done, depending on the nature of the crop, the weather, and soil types. That's going to use a lot of water compared to livestock

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Creative Juices wrote: »

Farmers let cattle drink from rivers and lakes all around Ireland.

If a farmer is polluting a specific river he might keep his cattle away from it though

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Curly Judge wrote: »

I hadn't read Kerrigan for years.
Prompted to read him by the above post I'm shocked at the level to which journalism in this country has descended.
Kerrigan is now just a bagman for the hard left.
While making every allowance for the fact that the government has made a balls of Irish Water, I didn't expect the tone and quality of his writing to have descended to the level of the average ill educated malcontent.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might be forgiven for thinking that DOB had deliberately employed him and facilitated his diatribe to cast scorn on the very position Kerrigan espouses.
He has done that thing common in Ireland and condemned himself out of his own mouth.
He's a disgrace to his profession.

The Indo are now a disgrace to journalism as a whole.
The sensationalist headlines all week,
the misleading photos (riots in Brussels)
The constant fascination on everything SF (I see they had a hilarious SF / Anglo bank connection headline today) :pac:

Kerrigan is the least of Dennis' worries tbh.

gladrags

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Curly Judge wrote: »

I hadn't read Kerrigan for years.
Prompted to read him by the above post I'm shocked at the level to which journalism in this country has descended.
Kerrigan is now just a bagman for the hard left.
While making every allowance for the fact that the government has made a balls of Irish Water, I didn't expect the tone and quality of his writing to have descended to the level of the average ill educated malcontent.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might be forgiven for thinking that DOB had deliberately employed him and facilitated his diatribe to cast scorn on the very position Kerrigan espouses.
He has done that thing common in Ireland and condemned himself out of his own mouth.
He's a disgrace to his profession.

?

Kerrigan is the only journalist writing for the Sindo who expresses any sort of alternitave perspective.

It is hardly hard left.

The dogs in the street know that the sindo "journalists", all sing from the same hymn sheet.Remember,they are merely expressing an opinion.

Your easily shocked.

Just have a look online in today's sindo.

Kerrigan is the exception.At least he makes sense,and backs up his arguements.

Harris,O'Connor and O'Hanlon,lead the gang.They don't do facts,or substantiate.

Just personal diatribe.

Harris is well known for fabricating history,and has no time for facts.

The sindo is a shameless agenda ridden rag,gutter journalism.

Creative Juices

masculinist wrote: »

If a farmer is polluting a specific river he might keep his cattle away from it though

Rare I would say. Many farmers with land on a river will actually cut a slope down into the river bank to help his livestock access to the water easily.

The biggest problem with farming near rivers/lakes is if the slurry pit overflows.

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Curly Judge wrote: »

I hadn't read Kerrigan for years.
Prompted to read him by the above post I'm shocked at the level to which journalism in this country has descended.
Kerrigan is now just a bagman for the hard left.
While making every allowance for the fact that the government has made a balls of Irish Water, I didn't expect the tone and quality of his writing to have descended to the level of the average ill educated malcontent.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might be forgiven for thinking that DOB had deliberately employed him and facilitated his diatribe to cast scorn on the very position Kerrigan espouses.
He has done that thing common in Ireland and condemned himself out of his own mouth.
He's a disgrace to his profession.

Yes, he's a danger to one of the very pillars of Irish establishment and should be ridiculed and silenced post haste.

I can't believe somebody that views others as ill-educated' could make the above post without having the cop on to at least feign a degree of irony, lest have others pointing it out :rolleyes:

Highflyer13

I do not want to pay for water in any way

http://www.thejournal.ie/water-protests-dublin-2-1771181-Nov2014/

Protests planned tomorrow on the Northside. Keep calm people and don't rise to provocation. Do not let them divide the anti-water movement which seems like a possible tactic for FG/Lab at this stage. They are like rats backed into a corner at the moment. The peaceful protests are winning this battle and lets march in numbers peacefully in December.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

" Meat Industry Ireland said the protest is a blockade that is unacceptable, irresponsible and says it will damage Ireland's reputation.

It also said the protest will leave up to 10,000 people out of jobs tomorrow and Tuesday. "

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1109/657905-meat-factory-blockade/#

Double standards.

Farmers protest - nothing said

Irish Water protest - Armed Police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3j0I53ucIM

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stargate wrote: »

" Meat Industry Ireland said the protest is a blockade that is unacceptable, irresponsible and says it will damage Ireland's reputation.

The meat industry has no right to speak on this issue after their constant stream of reputational damaging mad cows with BSE , foot and mouth disease infected cattle, recalled dioxin contamination of pig meat due to shameful practices in that same meat industry etc etc. And thats only recently . I seem to remember Larry Goodman's ABP being bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions when the company went into examinership back in the 1990s. Translate that into todays money and you will have to sit down and breathe into a paper bag its so much.
The water protests only serve to increase Ireland reputation unlike the quislings in Dail Eireann who refuse to listen to the will of the people.

RobertKK

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

The meat plant protest is a work dispute over the price the factories pay for a product they want to buy.

The water protest is a protest by people who don't want to pay anything for water or have other gripes about it. Before anyone says taxes, everyone pays taxes whether they are customers of IW or not.
IW provide a service, customers of IW do not provide a service, and there has been reports of violence being used by a small number of protesters.

There has been no cases of violence in what is a work related dispute between farmers and meat factories.

When people compare the two protests. One provides a product that is worth money, the other is people receiving a service and complaining about having to pay for it, it is not like the protesters are providing water meters to IW and then not being paid for the right price.

gladrags

gladrags wrote: »

?

Kerrigan is the only journalist writing for the Sindo who expresses any sort of alternitave perspective.

It is hardly hard left.

The dogs in the street know that the sindo "journalists", all sing from the same hymn sheet.Remember,they are merely expressing an opinion.

Your easily shocked.

Just have a look online in today's sindo.

Kerrigan is the exception.At least he makes sense,and backs up his arguements.

Harris,O'Connor and O'Hanlon,lead the gang.They don't do facts,or substantiate.

Just personal diatribe.

Harris is well known for fabricating history,and has no time for facts.

The sindo is a shameless agenda ridden rag,gutter journalism.

well said

Ghost Buster

RobertKK wrote: »

The meat plant protest is a work dispute over the price the factories pay for a product they want to buy.

The water protest is a protest by people who don't want to pay anything for water or have other gripes about it. Before anyone says taxes, everyone pays taxes whether they are customers of IW or not.
IW provide a service, customers of IW do not provide a service, and there has been reports of violence being used by a small number of protesters.

There has been no cases of violence in what is a work related dispute between farmers and meat factories.

When people compare the two protests. One provides a product that is worth money, the other is people receiving a service and complaining about having to pay for it, it is not like the protesters are providing water meters to IW and then not being paid for the right price.

Are you sure you're posting in the right thread Mr Trolling Troll? When im not on my phone I'll link younto the pages of posts from folk who like me have no issue with paying for water but with paying for thousands of unnecessary staff, disgraced county managers on 6 figure sums, incompetence in the face if millions spent on consultation, cronyism etc

Streetwalker

I agree with metered water charges

Outrageous double standards by the nations police force in regards the meat factory protests and the water protests.

Streetwalker

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Streetwalker wrote: »

Outrageous double standards by the nations police force in regards the meat factory protests and the water protests.

I'm sure that if the protesters were using force, the Gardai would respond.

Larbre34

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Streetwalker wrote: »

Outrageous double standards by the nations police force in regards the meat factory protests and the water protests.

One has totally, utterly and absolutely nothing to do with the other.

The Farmers protest is a commercial / industrial dispute, localised to major customer sites. Any blockade is a civil matter. Nothing to do with the general public.

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Streetwalker wrote: »

Outrageous double standards by the nations police force in regards the meat factory protests and the water protests.

Outrageous attempts to compare an industry dispute over beef prices to people protesting over paying for a service.

They are two different thing's and trying to compare the two really makes no sense.

sjb25

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

" Meat Industry Ireland said the protest is a blockade that is unacceptable, irresponsible and says it will damage Ireland's reputation.

It also said the protest will leave up to 10,000 people out of jobs tomorrow and Tuesday. "

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1109/657905-meat-factory-blockade/#

Double standards.

Farmers protest - nothing said

Irish Water protest - Armed Police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3j0I53ucIM

In fairness the armed response unit also do "normal" policing when not on armed responses they would have been the closest or only available unit so they responded to the call same as sometimes you may see a traffic unit show up to a non traffic call that's all that happened here

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

VinLieger wrote: »

Outrageous attempts to compare an industry dispute over beef prices to people protesting over paying for a service.

They are two different thing's and trying to compare the two really makes no sense.

Im still at a loss as to why we have deployed ze armed police against Irish protestors? I'd be just as outraged if they did it to the Farmers, but i guess water is a more lucrative commodity than meat.

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

sjb25 wrote: »

In fairness the armed response unit also do "normal" policing when not on armed responses they would have been the closest or only available unit so they responded to the call same as sometimes you may see a traffic unit show up to a non traffic call that's all that happened here

Bonus points if you want a good show of jackboots and machine guns against unarmed citizens.

sjb25

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Im still at a loss as to why we have deployed ze armed police against Irish protestors? I'd be just as outraged if they did it to the Farmers, but i guess water is a more lucrative commodity than meat.

Armed response would have been closest unit or only available unit and responded to the call armed response officers do "normal" policing aswell yes they had there sidearm but they didn't get out with full kit on fairness it would be the same as if a traffic unit responded they are traffic but respond to any call that's the reason no big conspiracy

sjb25

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Bonus points if you want a good show of jackboots and machine guns against unarmed citizens.

They didn't have machine guns in that video only side arm machine gun in boot you obviously have not seen these guys in full kit they where not in that video just side arm also there is only a few armed units in each reason and they would not be deployed to a protest as a full armed unit unless protesters where armed in that video they are acting as a normal unit just happin to be the armed unit which was closest to the call

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Im still at a loss as to why we have deployed ze armed police against Irish protestors? I'd be just as outraged if they did it to the Farmers, but i guess water is a more lucrative commodity than meat.

Because IW and Sierra workers obtained an injunction from the courts against any protestors who stopped them from performing their work so guards were put in place to enforce that injunction similar to any other form of legal order that is being infringed upon.

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

sjb25 wrote: »

Armed response would have been closest unit or only available unit and responded to the call armed response officers do "normal" policing aswell yes they had there sidearm but they didn't get out with full kit on fairness it would be the same as if a traffic unit responded they are traffic but respond to any call that's the reason no big conspiracy

Fair enough, but i'd be interested to know had they facilities to leave the weapons in the vehicles(at the very least) or could they have been left at the station. Otherwise :eek: that this State would arm against protestors.