Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Seventh i totally Agree,killan aherne should be there,its a shame hes not playing harty cup,that imo is going against him and shouldnt be.
Adam sullivan has signed with cork city and like garan manley are im told availble to cork and schools but Cork city come first so i can understand why selectors have not included them in they want fully committed lads and Cork City FC have ist option on them.
Kevin taylor imo is,a,suprise omission in football but i wouldnt be suprised if he was lost to soccer.
Talented in both codes.
Paddy glesson should of been there.
Cork u 17 big problem imo where do you play Darragh Guiney?
Corner back id have said or half back but seen him twice at full back for club,jesus hes outstanding,real leader,encouraging,those around him,commanding hes aera,demands take puck outs,long accurate deliverys to the wings,always ready for a fast pass from the goalie too.
This lad has real potential,hurl both sides,real grit and never gives up.Very rarely you beat it to him to a ball.
Very intelligent ,never overcommits to a high ball he wont win and leaves hes opponent free, he always protects and stays goalside of hes man.
If hes man wins ball,he still wont get bast him.Always hooking,blocking.
Superb reading of a game.
Vice captain dean ryan in i can understand why.



Hes not as big as some other hurlers in physquie but it doesnt matter,hes just that good ,he always performs.He has loads of hurling.
Id have him on cork minor training extended panel,as he imo should be starting 2016 for cork minors.



Castlematyr have a great chance,in to win a Munster i hope they do,have kenmare ,should win it,its in killarney,should,suit them.
Not like yesterday where lixnaw are a serious team,senior playing intermediate,kenmare at junior are not great .


Win that,home game in cork venue v clare bodykes,huge advantage in cork,and win that final in mallow,home advantage again.
Plenty time to celebrate but put it on hold,they have a golden chance winning munster junior club ,those,chances dont come around too often


Milstreet ,not as lucky should beat clare at home,but to go down kerry win ,is huge ask,very young team will have no fear,and i think they,will be competive unlike mtichestown last year.
They won at u 21 and have a real belief in them and with kevin crowley a super star,anything is possible.
oisin murphy is one the cork u 21 should have at look as panel member,three years left at u 21,has potential,not scoring forward,but half forward.,defender role.
Cathal crowley worth a look at minor.
Michael vaughan is worth look at junior for cork.
Yesterday kerry draw good for ballincollig,crokes dont know if there in or out hard to train and bust your balls when you could be out.
Austin stacks that game and replay will take a lot out of them.
Ballicollig dont know who they play but can really focus there in
the semi final
Austin stacks are the preffered choice but there no reason why they cant beat crokes in kerry.
They won the paudie o shea last year,it will stand to them.
When you have warriors like galvin,kelly,miskella,kielys,not just nice footballers but real courage, players of steel ,course you can win in kerry and of course they have a manager who they believe in and he treats them with repect.

I get the sense with coach o brien and kelly at 11 ,miskella they wont allow the team rest on its laurels.
O brien has slipped under the radar but becoming a good coach.
Probably not intercounty senior manager or any job in cork candiate though down the line as he actually won something and ccb dont usually pick winners to coach cork football teams on occasion.

fowley I thought would be good enough for cork minor not only under17 football

Lads what about Matthew Bradley? I thought he was getting cork minor trials in hurling ?

I heard Ahern has not started a Harty game due to a incident where he was badly concussed a few weeks ago. My AG source tells me he played recently in a challenge against rochestown where he was outstanding. Cork are sending out the wrong message to kids like this. Guiney in my book is a corner back he is most cofortable there. He is a leader and will go far. Another one for the note book is Niall O leary from castlelyons, great reader of the game very pacey and determined a cut above most. Some of the players on that u17 panel are weak in my opinion will not make the grade.

Thanks ciarraluaith and wakockid

I thought they could but i wasnt sure


When is the semi final and final due,now mid kerry drew ??

That might save milstreet in boys have limited time together as,a group and may be tired but at junior still those players particlary sullivan are,a,class above milstreet now if they win

What are the other two teams in junior like?

James flaherty some hurler ye have for kerry,john buckley also.
Lixnaw will beat bruff imo.

Id agree seventh i done post cork minors and had niall in there,u 16 playing harty,outstanding cork b beaten team v limerick b challenge last year


I wont name ,them,as its still young men,but id,agree three at least that panel are good hurlers but at all in levels intercounty,theres a step up in class and i domt think some have,showed it they can step up to this level so far.
Lot very good hurlers but you must have that bit extra when you play for cork .


Killan is,a fine hurler,on a beaten cork teams looked good,sign of a real player.


No word on 21 cork manager,the,silence and low profile with it worries me greatly if im honest,like,the calm before the,storm in who they will appoint.
Im not very religous but i am actually saying a prayer every night the right man is,apppointed for cork hurling.

Still no sign of a coach and selector for next year despite the hype from the examiner over a month ago, also no contact with any players about plans, on the panel etc will they commit........

Anyone at the JHA hurling final yesterday who could post a match report?

http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/corkNew/taggedNews/344983/99/kieran_kingston_steps_down_as_cork_coach/selector

john horgans piece in the echo during the week raised interesting points .
He had some good points  some i would agree with totally,some i would not agree with.

He said ,brian moylan,conor dorris ,dean brosnan all had moments but the step up from senior club to intercounty would be vast,and unlikely to transpire,i would agree totally they wouldnt what i saw be better than what we actually already have.

However  he says the comimg season will be a big one for brian lawton,who had a supberb season for castlematyr in junior.

Id question based on what.
Junior hurling to senior intercounry hurling is a vast step up.He just said senior club to senior intercounty is a step up ,imo then this is hardly a walk in the park.

What has lawton ACTUALLY done to merit such confidence.
Unlike harnedy who was performing at ucc,lawton did not stand out for ucc,was awful v offaly in league,poor v tipp in league,and as a sub v waterford only average.
Doing it for club in junior is,fine but hardly a litmust test for intercounty.
Hes form this year was inconsisent,has hurling,but didnt  mix it imo.

Up against mick ahern,tough,solid,fine club player,he now due to injuries and age lacks pace,lawton should of dominated him and by all accounts,did,yesterday,credit due,done what id,expect of any intercounty hurler,at junior do,dominate hes opponent.
kennmare,should be easy game,id expect lawton to dominate that and  every game now,and if he gets a chance in the league,id give him maxium two games,he lays down a marker or hes gone.This is nothing against the lad,i in fact  i adovacted this year he got games with cork,  i was a fan of hes hurling.
But he did not impress me at all this year.Hes got to step it up or has to be,dropped.
Same for other fringe players.
Kilkenny wouldnt carry players not up to it.Why should cork.I hope he makes it,Cork need another ball winner.

There was no mention of colm barry,outstanding club,cork u 21 and intermiedate,similar like the all ireland intermediate final match report he wasnt mentioned when he was awesome  but colm  spillane going to centre back changed the course of that game imo.

anthony spillane  very good for  ucc ucc freshers,very good u 21 and intermediate,no mention either jamie nagle,outstanding last year , derek daly mentioned him,this year also,no mention of micheal o sullivan who he,imo was  unlucky to be dropped this year,no mention alan dennehy cit,cork intermediates superb v galway minor u 21 brian molloy,superb charville intermediate above no mention at all.

Cormac murphy,kevin.o keoffe got a mention and deservedly so.
Mark o connor who i have in u 21 team for me as just back from hip operation had outstanding year at senior for douglas ,imo is a prospect.

There is a viewpoint cork dont have options in depth  but thats not true imo.
He is right the team doesnt need radical overhaul but i said it after tipp the subs do,we are carrying passengers that dont need to be there on the panel.

He said conor sul deserves games,killan burke yes they do ,i fully agree but cian mac,also was mentioned.When someone promotes cian mac,i have to disagree.

He was held scoreless in the county final from play by a man moylan he,admits not up senior intercounty.
What has cian mac done in three years,for cork

Nothing at all of majior signifance.,harsh but true.
He is no good in summer hurling and  he even struggled on a  wet night league v limerick last february in Cork when running away from hes opponent.How many chance do you give players in fairness.
Le chin ,Maher,joyce,would all be too mobile and hold cian mac easily,Jamie Shanhanan,bulger clare the same.
One man he might hold hes own against is wayne mac of limerick.
Cunninghan of the glen had a solid season,he deserves a look over cian mac imo

He says Cadogan must be full back?
i dont agree
He held horgan scoreless twice from play but before we give cadogan huge praise,horgan was held scoreless from play in few games,its not cads was exceptional horgan was simply, but not many  in the post match   said  what many posters here said,many even glen men at the match said it, pat Horgan was absouåtly dreadful as player with all star,seven senior years intercounty,in hes second county final.

As roy keane said too many man united ex legends,paddy credand are afraid to  rock the boat in hes,role on man utd tv ,when hes view on popular players if they play bad wont say it

Its the same in cork regards Horgan.Not many criticises pat horgan who from play was poor for cork.
In kilkenny it would not be acceptable, NO ONE is immune to critisim.
Horgan had a poor attuide in that final imo,zero work rate,no desire hunger,in that final,.
I criticses horgan in 2013 in the league,but backed him to a hilt in championsip,even when he got a red card but i have huge concerns with the  old pat horgan inconsistency resurfacing.

If he doesnt peform in the opening
kilkenny game,drop him,plenty of other options,paudie,luke etc.
A half hearted horgan is simply no good to Cork.There is no point saying on the day it did not go well for him after the match.In fairness he,was absoultely shocking, it was a terrible performance.

People think cadogan is better than cahalane at full back.
Take hes debut 2009 ,i think,man of the match ,yes,outstanding but since then he was not once,not twice,but numerous times ,exposed at full back,so much jbm.moved him in 2012 to half back,why would  we want him back there

Cahalane was outstanding all year with little hurling for cork ,he was good v waterford and clare,was injured v limerick,and woefully played out of position v tipp.
He done good,with limited hurling against them in the league.
If people want to laud cadogan holding horgan,cahalane,twice in the last two years out hurled horgan.

He also gave a masterful display v downes  in the 2011 u 21 final.
Play him at three,hurling only for Cork he will come on leaps and bounds next year imo.
Cadogan got a run at three was just good if even at best for cork,Cahalane never got the same,run,give it to him,hell be solid and do a job,nothing spectacular but thats what cork need at full back.

Yes cadogan may choose hurling over football,but that doesnt guarantee him a place imo just cause he may not want toplay with the football

As derek daly said cormac murphy,jamie nagle are at half back much better half back options,i would add colm barry to that,and at full back cahalane,dennehy,spillane are  every bit as aggressive as cadogan but much much better full back options for cork senior hurling imo going forward.

Eoghan finn was mentioned,as a prospect,good hurler but simply not senior standard imo.What has he done?over Anthony spillane,Sean hayes,Mark O Connor to merit as a potential prospect.Padraig gould must get a run imo.

Haughney was mentioned if injury free.He was  poor in laois,wet eveining , when it was boxed close up hurling,nice hurler fast wrists but no dog or bite in hes hurling,and riche hogan,paul browne,woodlock,,galvin clare,would absoultey destroy him ,hed be fine v naive,inexpierenced waterford v thurles that due to the  derek mcgrath school of management,he will have a team of boyscouts v cork ,and without the brillant molumphy will lack serious grit  and steel at midfield.
The type of game Haugney could get four points,put him in a battle,i have doubts.He has fast hurling hands like john wayne in a,shootout,fast on the pull ,however john wayne had the,steel to stand tall one v one against his direct opponent,haughney wont do that,hasnt at minor or u 21,yes he is a lovely hurler,so was bud hartnett,cathal naughton but they had no stomach for battle. Riche Hogan has every bit the hurling of haughney but he is also a real warrior.
Again some in cork go for the fast tappy nice hurler when this has been the downfall of cork hurling the last while nice hurlers but soft core in the heat of the battle.

Cork  must realise hurling is useless unless players have characther and steel on the field.

The next few weeks in football,hurling will define our seasons,2015 at u 21,intermediate,senior hurling,senior football,have no doubt what happens on field in summer will be directly correlated to who is in management in the forthcoming weeks.

we will know if we have any chance or if were beaten before it all even starts,four key key appointments for cork gaa.

Cork hurling has a lot  of vacanies to fill but simply must get it right on not just  ONE BUT ALL ACCOUNTS,GREATNESS AWAITS,BUT IF THEY F##K IT UP ITS JUST A MEANS TO AN END FOR CORK HURLING IMO

NO ROOM FOR ERROR IMO

I would go as far as saying intermediate u 21,senior  coach are ,the MOST CRUCIAL EVER HISTORY CORK HURLING considering the OVERALL STATE OF CORK HURLING
ITS REALLY NOW OR NEVER FOR CORK HURLING.



http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/10/28/kingston-opts-cork-role/

A great coach

He was gone but players,two key leaders in group i heard tried get him to stay

There was lot uncertainty with him,no one faults,just work commitments,
Id expect jbm to act fast now

Kingston right a disgrace cork did not get one all star

Thank you Mr kingston for all you gave to the Cork Hurling.,top top coach.

Ned Walsh wrote: »

Who exactly deserved an All Star? Horgan? Lehane? The Tipp display was so bad they couldn't have got one. The only one I felt was unlucky was Mark Ellis. Defiantly had a better year at CB than Maher who didn't even play there for most of the year

Totally agree.horgan.no.way,lehane.no

Ellis deserved it

But media love affair tipp more so limerick nationally is alive and well

According to irish examiner todayThe Cork County Board expect Barry-Murphy will have his management team for the coming year finalised within the next fortnight.Meanwhile, Aidan Walsh revealed he has made a decision about his inter-county future and will inform Barry-Murphy and Brian Cuthbert later this week. The indications are he will opt for football

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/aidan-walsh-cork-1750422-Oct2014/

Thanks smithy

Callaghan.must only stayed year so he was with effin for a time

Foley be great coach charville but hopefully wouldnt bring ciaran carey with him

Finn is apparently thinking joining tj sets up,he worked with him at u 21
Credit due tj making good move there but how much.input has finn,i get impression tj runs the,show,hes way or.no way
Ryan and finn didnt work at u 21,for me its simple maths ,finm has better record ,tj has a poorer one so I tend to not blame finn

Pat mul was never going to join.newtown,two rival clubs,huge rivarly,theres a respect there but.pat I doubt would join club.bar newtown on hes doorstep.
Just matter time before he joins intercounty somewhere,be interesting to see who..

Frankie flannery from.camoige?milford

Presume not frank flannery cit,carrigtwohill and waterford senior,cork minor coach


What do you think walsh will choose
Id think hurling.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Thanks smithy

Callaghan.must only stayed year so he was with effin for a time

Foley be great coach charville but hopefully wouldnt bring ciaran carey with him

Finn is apparently thinking joining tj sets up,he worked with him at u 21
Credit due tj making good move there but how much.input has finn,i get impression tj runs the,show,hes way or.no way
Ryan and finn didnt work at u 21,for me its simple maths ,finm has better record ,tj has a poorer one so I tend to not blame finn

Pat mul was never going to join.newtown,two rival clubs,huge rivarly,theres a respect there but.pat I doubt would join club.bar newtown on hes doorstep.
Just matter time before he joins intercounty somewhere,be interesting to see who..

Frankie flannery from.camoige?milford

Presume not frank flannery cit,carrigtwohill and waterford senior,cork minor coach


What do you think walsh will choose
Id think hurling.

I think Walsh will choose Football, he spoke about having close friends on the football panel before & for that alone I think it would be less controversial and less hassle for him personally.

Saying that I'd prefer him to stick at the hurling, as I would like to see him reach his potential (not against Tipp however) to see how good he can be.

I wouldnt take the examiner as confirmation as regard walsh going football ,eammon murphy has in the  echo hes going hurling flashed across back page.Id be inclined to go with murphy as i heard hurling also.
Ed,coughlan also with cit as perferomamce analyst.
I heard paduie kissane is also doing work with them,training them for the sigerson.
Christ above cit have.,keith ricken,over football,cian o neil,paudie,coughlan at different levels,way better set up senior set up cork football.

Murphy has in echo ,pat flanganan joining cork,jesus he took an age to decide to be coach.
Cahalane,cadogan meant going hurling also,Cork football if true ate loosing ,a centre back,full.back,midfield player.
If this happens cork football is a shambles people must question cuthbhert.
we will see in due course with walsh oy
If its football for walsh i  wish him the best .

Johnny keane meant to joining kilbrin.
Shrewd move for kilbrin ,guarenteed to.get promoted from.junior if true.

Must ,must ,simply must mention wonderful,morneabbey ladies team,taking on parnells in ruisluip,doing lot fundraising for trip to england in all ireland semi final

I may be wrong but i believe there travelling by bus.

Their efforts on and off the field are a credit to cork football in not just ladies but in general
Amazing ,truly truly amazing

It should be taken out of hes hands in jbm should politely say i dont need you next year


Understandably cadogan may want to leave footballers but we cant play lad just cause doesnt want play football

Is cadogan best full or half in cork,no he is not
Jbm made a woeful error ,bringing him panel,over killan murphy who was treated shockingly ,when others get more chances
Im.not sure with cadogan choosing hurlimg.but eammon.murphy seems to think he will by hes articles.

After he was left sitting on the bench this year when his heart was needed vs tipp I would be amazed if cadogan went hurling, could he do a job for cor - YES, would he be a huge loss to the footballlers YES, massive void at 3. Interesting times and worrying times for cork football. Potentially after canty, quirke, oleary, Sheehan, poneill, kissane, cadogan, walsh, cahalane, oconnor leaving the squad in less then a year. Some indictment .........

Another point people are naive enough to forget up to august v tipp,Cadogan had played just ONE CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP game,for douglas v sardfields,,just one league game cork aprox,not many challenge games ,limited training due to dual and injury yet complete rubbish higest order,start him v tipp when hes touch would have been way off and,as tipp showed touch finese is paramount to cork tipp clashes

Cadogan had extremely limited,club championship hurling up to the tipp game,after then he had four games,midelton youghal,glen twice
How in the name of jesus could anyone think starting cadogan all ireland,semi final ahead of who exactly????cahalane,joyce,ellis,lorchan ,all way more hurling done would need,a reality check imo.
This is Elite Senior Hurling not Shinty in fairness
Whatever bout 2015 no way should he of started v tipp.

These players leaving football to go hurling is an insult to those on the football panel who put everything into it. Walsh should never be left back into the football panel for Cork. In the future any players with notions of going hurling should be sent that way from the minor grades not use football as their fallback option should they fail to make it. It's not tolerated in Dublin or Kerry so why should our footballers put up with it