More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

bajer101 · 25-10-2014 08:26PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well, all they can throw out now is SF's drop of 3% (margin of error) in one of the polls conducted this week.
No mention of the other poll where their support remains unchanged.

The Sunday Times/B&A poll was sampled from 14-22 Oct which would include a lot of samples from before a lot of this broke. The Red C poll which has SF -3 and Gerry Adams -7 was sampled 20-22 Oct, which still still is before a lot of this broke. I suspect that there is real damage being done by this and that this will be reflected in later polls. When the dust settles about Mairia Cahill's allegations and the realisation about sex offenders being expelled - possibly to the Republic - that's when the real damage will be done. Unless SF produce the details of those expelled.

gladrags · 25-10-2014 08:28PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Sinn Féin must be panicking, down 3% in the latest opinion poll and that only takes into account Monday to Friday of this week considering that was when the polling was done. SF have dug themselves into an even deeper hole since then. So much for SF supporters on here predicting that party support would rise.

Still though at least it is positive to see Adams finally starting to realise the seriousness of all this with his call for IRA members to come forward with information immediately.

The SF supporters were hardly going to predict a decline in support.

From what I can see of the polls,there is no rise for any parties.

Anyway,polls can easily be skewered

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:28PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Joe Cahill being a relative, and her being a republican has been mentioned, but the fact that she is a dissident has not been. And its very relevant.

Relevant to being raped, abused and appearing in a kangaroo court how?

gladrags · 25-10-2014 08:29PM

bajer101 wrote: »

The Sunday Times/B&A poll was sampled from 14-22 Oct which would include a lot of samples from before a lot of this broke. The Red C poll which has SF -3 and Gerry Adams -7 was sampled 20-22 Oct, which still still is before a lot of this broke. I suspect that there is real damage being done by this and that this will be reflected in later polls. When the dust settles about Mairia Cahill's allegations and the realisation about sex offenders being expelled - possibly to the Republic - that's when the real damage will be done. Unless SF produce the details of those expelled.

Speculation

Sex offenders have been expelled in their multitudes by the powers that be ,since the early 20th century.

Fact.

And there was no detail as to where they dissapeared to.

Until they abused across the globe.

Creative Juices · 25-10-2014 08:29PM

bajer101 wrote: »

"Despite the high standards and decency of the vast majority of IRA volunteers, IRA personnel were singularly ill-equipped to deal with these matters. This included very sensitive areas such as responding to demands to take action against rapists and child abusers. The IRA on occasion shot alleged sex offenders or expelled them."

http://leargas.blogspot.ie/#sthash.RMsrmamu.dpuf

Wow, has Gerry explained what he meant by "expelled them" and why the hell is he using blogs to defend himself now?

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:30PM

bajer101 wrote: »

The Sunday Times/B&A poll was sampled from 14-22 Oct which would include a lot of samples from before a lot of this broke. The Red C poll which has SF -3 and Gerry Adams -7 was sampled 20-22 Oct, which still still is before a lot of this broke. I suspect that there is real damage being done by this and that this will be reflected in later polls. When the dust settles about Mairia Cahill's allegations and the realisation about sex offenders being expelled - possibly to the Republic - that's when the real damage will be done. Unless SF produce the details of those expelled.

If Maria Cahill is found to be a member of a group who's aim is to destroy the peace process, doesn't recognise the PSNI or the Gardai and have connections to dissident republicans, her credibility goes out the window as does the credibility of all those who were sucked in by her story.
The polls in a few weeks will make for interesting reading ok.

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:31PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well heres one now.
You're still taking the word of Maria Cahill in regard to that meeting?
Even though it's now been pointed out to you the group she's allegedly involved with?
A group who's aim is to bring down the peace process and who doesn't recognise the PSNI or the Gardai as police forces.

Just when you think you can't get any lower you come out with this.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:32PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Relevant to being raped, abused and appearing in a kangaroo court how?

You've taken her word on everything she said as fact.
Let's not 'sh1tetalk on about 'kangaroo courts', eh?

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:32PM

Creative Juices wrote: »

Wow, has Gerry explained what he meant by "expelled them" and why the hell is he using blogs to defend himself now?

Are we really pretending that we dont know that the IRA expelled people? Have the SINDO crowd forgotton all the moaning they did about the IRAs policing? Punishment beatings etc? Are we really all pretending that this is some sort of revelation that the IRA acted as a rudimentary police force in areas where it was widely supported?

Usually it was along the lines of "leave or get shot".

Adams has had a blog for donkeys years.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:33PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Just when you think you can't get any lower you come out with this.

Well, it was another poster who brought this out in the open, not me.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:33PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Relevant to being raped, abused and appearing in a kangaroo court how?

Her attitude towards the police and courts. Of course its relevant.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:35PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Her attitude towards the police and courts. Of course its relevant.

Police and courts that the group she allegedly belongs to doesn't recognise.

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:35PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

You've taken her word on everything she said as fact.
Let's not 'sh1te on about 'kangaroo courts', eh?

Your saint Gerry admitted it happened, why can't you?

I see your tactic now is to vilify the victim and try denigrate anyone against you, imply they're part of FF etc. Classy, but woefully inept.

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:36PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well, it was another poster who brought this out in the open, not me.

Ha ha, blame someone else for a statement that you explicitly wrote.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:36PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Your saint Gerry admitted it happened, why can't you?

I see your tactic now is to vilify the victim and try denigrate anyone against you, imply they're part of FF etc. Classy, but woefully inept.

Your posts now have the feel of the sting of a dying wasp...

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:37PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ha ha, blame someone else for a statement that you explicitly wrote.

Go on then, I'll entertain you, which statement?

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:37PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Her attitude towards the police and courts. Of course its relevant.

Her attitude got her raped?

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:38PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Go on then, I'll entertain you, which statement?

You're chasing your own tail here.

Dan_Solo · 25-10-2014 08:41PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Sinn Féin must be panicking, down 3% in the latest opinion poll and that only takes into account Monday to Wednesday of this week considering that was when the polling was done. SF have dug themselves into an even deeper hole since then. So much for SF supporters on here predicting that party support would rise.

Still though at least it is positive to see Adams finally starting to realise the seriousness of all this with his call for IRA members to come forward with information immediately.

Delusional. Look up "margin of error".
Don't want to comment on the other popularity poll that has SF unchanged I suppose? Nah, didn't think so.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:41PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

You're chasing your own tail here.

I asked you do you still take her word on that meeting if it's shown that she's a member, a highly placed member at that, of the RNU, with the obvious agenda that group has.

There's tail chasing going on ok......

MouseTail · 25-10-2014 08:42PM

All I am seeing is a smear campaign, and a peoples front of Judea. Most importantly I am seeing the cover up of child sex abuse, and moving perpetrators to the South. Everything else is just thrown by SF to distract from this.

Dan_Solo · 25-10-2014 08:45PM

bajer101 wrote: »

The Sunday Times/B&A poll was sampled from 14-22 Oct which would include a lot of samples from before a lot of this broke. The Red C poll which has SF -3 and Gerry Adams -7 was sampled 20-22 Oct, which still still is before a lot of this broke. I suspect that there is real damage being done by this and that this will be reflected in later polls. When the dust settles about Mairia Cahill's allegations and the realisation about sex offenders being expelled - possibly to the Republic - that's when the real damage will be done. Unless SF produce the details of those expelled.

Or unless people start to wonder why a senior dissident republican opposed to the peace process has been greeted by the Taoiseach at the drop of a hat.
Right or wrong you have perception right there and that's votes.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:46PM

MouseTail wrote: »

All I am seeing is a smear campaign

You're damn right there, and to think mehole and kenny allowed themselves get caught up in it.

bajer101 · 25-10-2014 08:47PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

If Maria Cahill is found to be a member of a group who's aim is to destroy the peace process, doesn't recognise the PSNI or the Gardai and have connections to dissident republicans, her credibility goes out the window as does the credibility of all those who were sucked in by her story.
The polls in a few weeks will make for interesting reading ok.

What group she may or may not be a member of won't be relevant in this case. If anyone in SF even comes close to saying that she has an agenda then it will be game over. It would be tantamount to saying she was wearing a mini-skirt! Some people seem to be forgetting the core issue here. She was raped by an IRA member - and everyone seems to be in agreement about that. She then alleges that there was an internal IRA investigation which treated her badly following which, the alleged rapist was expelled from the jurisdiction. It wouldn't matter if she was a member of the UVF, that has no bearing on what these revelations mean for SF.

BTW, scrambling around looking for reasons to discredit a rape victim and jumping up and down with glee when a reason is apparently found is not a wise way to proceed.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:48PM

So Godge, you're watching the thread as we can see.
What do you make of the claims that Maria Cahill is a member of a dissident republican group with the aim of destroying the peace process and who fail to recognise the PSNI or the Gardai down here?

Dan_Solo · 25-10-2014 08:49PM

bajer101 wrote: »

What group she may or may not be a member of won't be relevant in this case. If anyone in SF even comes close to saying that she has an agenda then it will be game over.

Of course it'll be relevant to voters. Enda available on demand by a senior dissident republican who is opposed to the peace process and every law enforcement agency on the island?
Sinn Fein don't have to say anything!

bajer101 · 25-10-2014 08:52PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Are we really pretending that we dont know that the IRA expelled people? Have the SINDO crowd forgotton all the moaning they did about the IRAs policing? Punishment beatings etc? Are we really all pretending that this is some sort of revelation that the IRA acted as a rudimentary police force in areas where it was widely supported?

Usually it was along the lines of "leave or get shot".

Adams has had a blog for donkeys years.

This is not car thieves we're talking about. The difference here is the possibility that sex offenders and child abusers were expelled. This will draw inevitable parallels to the Catholic Church moving abusers around.

"Mary Lou McDonald knows this more than most. Back in May 2012, after further revelations of the failure of then Cardinal Sean Brady to pass on information about paedophile priest Brendan Smyth, McDonald described his position as “not tenable”."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/sinn-fein-young-guns-spin-a-past-thats-not-theirs-292265.html

Dan_Solo · 25-10-2014 08:52PM

bajer101 wrote: »

BTW, scrambling around looking for reasons to discredit a rape victim and jumping up and down with glee when a reason is apparently found is not a wise way to proceed.

Random. No reason why it's "not wise" provided.
Just because she was probably raped doesn't automatically absolve her of any and every action for the rest of her life.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:52PM

bajer101 wrote: »

What group she may or may not be a member of won't be relevant in this case.
She was raped by an IRA member - and everyone seems to be in agreement about that.
She then alleges that there was an internal IRA investigation which treated her badly following which, the alleged rapist was expelled from the jurisdiction.
It wouldn't matter if she was a member of the UVF, that has no bearing on what these revelations mean for SF.

BTW, scrambling around looking for reasons to discredit a rape victim and jumping up and down with glee when a reason is apparently found is not a wise way to proceed.

Of course the group she's allegedly involved with matters FFS.
The whole thing has been about allegations.
Nobody was found guilty of her alleged rape.
Nobody was found guilty of being involved in a 'kangaroo court'.

Dan_Solo · 25-10-2014 08:54PM

bajer101 wrote: »

This is not car thieves we're talking about. The difference here is the possibility that sex offenders and child abusers were expelled. This will draw inevitable parallels to the Catholic Church moving abusers around.

"Mary Lou McDonald knows this more than most. Back in May 2012, after further revelations of the failure of then Cardinal Sean Brady to pass on information about paedophile priest Brendan Smyth, McDonald described his position as “not tenable”."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/sinn-fein-young-guns-spin-a-past-thats-not-theirs-292265.html

Since the Republic of Ireland only established a sex offenders register in 2001, I'll assume you will also be demanding that Enda Kenny locate all sex offenders in the 26 counties from the last 50 years or so?

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