The 11 "beautiful" girls on The Saturday Night Show Last Night.

6781 wrote: »

The vast majority of fat people are fat because they are lazy and have poor diets. So there is no excuse for it.

I think laziness is a perfectly valid excuse.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I do.
She's very good looking.
Not Irish though, so don't know if that counts.

This is AH - you know that doesn't mean a damp squid withotu pics!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

And there's your strawman right there . The sophisticated souls I quoted seemed to be refering to overwieght women in general. I'm curious to know how many of them have perfectly attractive girlfriends or wivfes.

only the middle quote.

Surely the other two posters were referring to the women from the OP only, and not speaking generally?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You seriously think they other two are only refering to the girls in the photo and are happy to date overweight girls who aren't...? Because I did not get that impression, I have to be honest!

when the other poster pointed out that these are women whose weight is not incidental to their career and place in the media, you said they were referring to overweight women in general. They weren't.

I wouldn't disagree with your inference, but it's not what they said.

You, ironically, are the one building the strawman.

Shenshen wrote: »

Some more than others

Ahh nuts, I had a reply all typed out, damn page refresh, but I'm glad I saw the reply down below too as my comment would have been somewhat related, so I'll take 'em both on -

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

And there's your strawman right there . The sophisticated souls I quoted seemed to be refering to overwieght women in general. I'm curious to know how many of them have perfectly attractive girlfriends or wivfes.

I don't see how that's a strawman tbh. Those posters you quoted never claimed to be sophisticated, nor do they have to make any justifications about their partners physical appearance, as those are simply not relevant to the discussion. Those posters haven't put themselves, nor their partners, in the public eye to be judged. They were referring specifically to the women in the OP who HAVE put themselves up to be judged. Here is my problem with that -

These women claim to represent a section of society that has very little representation. In doing so, they're not talking about representing women for their intellectual abilities. No, they're talking about 'inspiring confidence in women'... by having them get their bloody kit off and get fake n baked! I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that's inspiring anything only exploitation of women, and giving permission for people who don't actually care about people, to run their mouth off at anyone who doesn't meet their standards of physical perfection.

People who aren't so body confident will still cover up as they always did, and will still be subjected to the same humiliation they always were, and will still suffer the same crippling self-confidence issues they always did, and now, because of a handful of space cadets (I'm sorry, but they really do seem to be either unable, or unwilling, to realise their own short-sightedness, perhaps because they're blinded by the immediate validation from the publicity they're getting as somewhat of a novelty) getting their kit off and proclaiming to the world their existence, more and more overweight people are going to stand out like sore thumbs and be subject to even more ridicule and derision, the only catcall I don't think they'll hear is "Get your kit off!".

That's all this is, to me at least, is an exercise in exploiting people, and call me a cynic but Debenhams have tried it, Gok Wan has tried it, and now it's the turn of some other woman to make money off exploiting people's insecurities by telling them they look great, lets all get naked and butter up. What these people are doing is creating an artificial market from a niche one. These women who celebrate being fat are a very, very niche market, they're a fetish, and that's really all they'll ever be, because the vast, vast majority of overweight women, certainly those that I've met anyway, they're all fun and bubbly on the outside, and they really are great fun, but spend any amount of time around them at all, and it turns out they're just as likely to be insecure about themselves as anyone else you'll meet, be they skinny, fat, tall, short, black, white, etc.

No doubt these are real women, of course they are, but do they portray a realistic representation of women? Damn right they don't, because having looked at their bio's on their modelling agencies website (surprised to see that one of them is only seventeen! I think they should all be at least eighteen!), there isn't a mention of their intellectual ability or any reference to their personally beyond the overused and tiresome stereotype - "bubbly and fun", because of course, every fat person is only bubbly and fun and has nothing else going for them whatsoever.

Defend these women by all means if that's your thing, but you're just as guilty of exploiting these women and allowing them to think they represent women, as the people who you criticise for judging them based on their appearance. What other way is there to judge them when they WANT people to be judged for their appearance?

There's nothing special or unique about being fat, it's not an achievement, and it shouldn't be encouraged as something to be proud of. Any idiot can do it. There's something special and unique though about someone that's able to use their brain, and actually does something to help other people, not just helping themselves and claiming that what they're doing is for anyone else's benefit.

These women don't care that ordinary Joan Soap will get cat called and harassed today, they only care about drawing attention to themselves, and that's why they don't care that they'll draw criticism from the public about their appearance, because they're surrounded by people that reassure them they look fab (as cash cows, no pun intended). Ordinary people don't have that sort of support and validation, and that's why I don't like the likes of these "real women" anything campaigns, because they're not a real representation of women when they think it's a good idea to get their kit off and put it all out there in the media. That's not going to change public perception, it's just giving people permission to laugh openly at the freak show, and then when they go out in public themselves, they perceive everyone to be a free-for-all for their amusement based on nothing more than their physical appearance!

_asdfghjkl_ wrote: »

That's not really relevant though. The problem is that they are advocating an unhealthy lifestyle, seems like a lot of people are missing the point here

I am not sure they themselves are doing that, its the way the publicity around them works its their USP so to speak and that's to do with the media.

Do you seriously expect them to turn down a money making career just because it sends out the wrong message?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You seriously think they other two are only refering to the girls in the photo and are happy to date overweight girls who aren't...? Because I did not get that impression, I have to be honest!

I think whatever anybody finds attractive or unattractive is absolutely fine and not open to interpretation or question by others. You like what you like and you don't like what you don't like - there is really no more to it than that.
I'm not attracted to any of those women, I think the redhead is ok, but that's about it. Some people I'm sure think they are all gorgeous, beauty after all is in the eye of the beholder, there are no absolutes. That's just how it goes. I don't see the problem with stating the truth?

mariaalice wrote: »

But what do you want to do about it or what should be done about it?

They are models ( i.e they are taller and better looking that the 'average woman' ) They went on TV and stayed on message with their USB.

The media and the fashion world don't care what message they give our its all about what sells and to sell you need publicity.

Every one knows being over weight has health implications, following your logic plus size models should be banned because they give our the wrong message.

They are 100% below average attractiveness for women, I would very much doubt if their height had any bearing in their selection. All I'm saying is there seems to be a fairly prominent group of people here supporting their message and this "campaign" which seems crazy to me

mariaalice wrote: »

But what do you want to do about it or what should be done about it?

I would like to see these people encouraged to adopt a healthy lifestyle and encourage other people adopt a healthy lifestyle, rather than promoting the unrealistic notion that becoming or being overweight will ever be acceptable in society.

They are models ( i.e they are taller and better looking that the 'average woman' ) They went on TV and stayed on message with their USB( body acceptance )

They're models because they're fat. Being fat is not a USP in any language. Anyone can be fat. Their USP is that they are apparently proud of being overweight.

Fill anyone with enough proseco, butter them up and stick them in the spotlight for their moment of glory. I can see the attraction for these women who wouldn't normally get so much attention, but that doesn't mean you're doing them any favours when you're lining your own pockets off the back of their insecurities.

They're not any taller actually than any average woman, more of them are actually hovering around the five foot mark (in height), but stick a pair of six inch heels on any girl and she instantly becomes taller. They're not any more or less attractive than any woman either, they just have their make up, hair, and clothes done by professionals. Again, who wouldn't feel good about themselves with that sort of individual attention? Does every overweight woman get that sort of individual professional attention?

The media and the fashion world don't care what message they give our its all about what sells and to sell you need publicity.

To sell, you need to make people buy into your product. These women are a product, nothing more. Dress them up and make them look pretty, and then make it look like your motives are all altruistic like saying that your product represents 45% of all women...

No, it represents the less than 1% of women whom you have convinced that being overweight is something they should feel proud of...

Every one knows being over weight has health implications, following your logic plus size models should be banned because they give our the wrong message.

It's a free market, so plus size models are unlikely to be banned, but their practices should be discouraged in the same way as high fashion houses and magazines are discouraged from exploiting women for profit.