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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    You said SF have control over property taxes etc - they clearly do not. They can only do what every other party can do and that is be part of the discussion. I think you are starting to scrape the barrel with this.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Seriously though, who controls many of the councils, democratically elected to do so and all that ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Look call it whatever you like, my misplaced perception, my brainwashing by the media whatever...the fact is I don't trust him and I never will. And there are many like me.
    SF need to deal with that one way or the other.
    IMO, they need ot get rid of the "old guard".
    duckcfc wrote: »
    There was no other route to go other than take up arms and fight for basic human rights so IMO, of course they where revolutionary leaders
    Although there were other ways, the other ways were not bearing fruit. As for "revolutionary leaders", one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I'll view them as terrorists, but at the same time admit that they did what was needed. Not the right way to go about it, but back any animal into a corner, and you won't like the outcome.
    duckcfc wrote: »
    There was a war on!!
    If this is true, the Bloody Sunday soldiers have nothing to answer for. As the door of justice swings both ways, if you want justice, you must ensure justice is adhered to.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So they have a unified set of policies, north and south ?
    Not really. See the difference in the water charge and property tax. Down here they want it scrapped. Don't hear them trying to scrap it up north.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Do you mean the british recordings happyman mentioned? Are you sure its me who hasnt been listening carefully?
    Godge wrote: »
    You obviously haven't listened very carefully. She didn't record the interview but she says the IRA recorded it.

    It does sound strange that those with the recording - SF/IRA - haven't released the recording to back the words of the Dear Leader.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    maccored wrote: »
    You said SF have control over property taxes etc - they clearly do not.
    maccored wrote: »
    councils can only set the rate.


    So local council rates set rates, Sinn Fein are the majority party in many councils, such councils increase rates. SF, with a majority, should be able to vote down any increases, and infact vote for decreases.

    What am I not seeing ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    gunny558 wrote: »
    Right well listen I am a SF GA supporter and during a team debate I had the arse tore out of me by someone from FF.

    And its got me wondering. During the debates we basically threw dirt and called people hypocrites and pulled skeletons out of their closets. And to be honest I never quite realised thats what we did.... not on those words.... the thought process was a bit more like "oh well your one to talk...."

    So anyway, I got the ass tore out of me and then I started noticing I was doing it.... and then I started noticing it on here.

    During debates, same as whats happened right here in this thread... there is an issue highlighted about Gerry Adams and soon enough we are saying "look what cameron did", "look what thatcher did"..... "do you know the MI5 knowingly employed a paedo"... "do you know what FF did"... "the media doesnt like us" etc

    There is another debate on this Thursday about GA and the Cahill girl.... and I just know Im gonna have my ass handed to me again. Your obviously an up to speed guy (along with a few others on here)..... Id like see a proper debate take place on here and see some good arguments put forward and defended..... and not... as you say.... continusoly pointing out of hypocrisy.

    Excellent post, which to prove your point, got completely ignored!

    Denis Bradley on Newstalk was brilliant this morning, as he said nobody comes out of the troubles looking good. Policing is one of the first victims in a war situation but the heads of the IRA should have had the cop to know that they couldn't possibly deal with sex abuse cases. That was for the state authorities to deal with, and even they, with far more resources and knowledge, often got it wrong.

    Really, the last group that should be dealing with sex abuse cases is the IRA.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    I was thinking big time of voting for Sinn Fein in the next election (voted for them in the local elections) but this kind of rubbish really has changed my mind. Still can't see myself voting for FG or Labour so maybe I'll give FF a second chance ort maybe go independent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you are now saying SF can dictate to councils what the rates are. Im not too sure what you arent seeing or not to be honest as I can't fathom your point.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So local council rates set rates, Sinn Fein are the majority party in many councils, such councils increase rates. SF, with a majority, should be able to vote down any increases, and infact vote for decreases.

    What am I not seeing ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    K-9 wrote: »

    Really, the last group that should be dealing with sex abuse cases is the IRA.

    I think GA dealt with that too in his statement in fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    maccored wrote: »
    Do you mean the british recordings happyman mentioned? Are you sure its me who hasnt been listening carefully?

    I haven't heard any references to british recordings.

    However, I just listened back to her interview this morning and she mentioned that she has called on those who have recordings of the meeting to release the recordings.

    maybe, some other time she said that was the British, maybe it is happyman who is speculating that, I don't know, but I would also like to see those recordings released. It certainly isn't Mairia Cahill who is withholding them.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92685494&postcount=318

    However, it is you who suggested Ms. Cahill was withholding the recordings. So how do you now conclude they were British?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Im not concluding anything. Im stating if she had the recordings then why doesnt she use them. Now you say she claims the IRA have the recordings.
    Who's going to have them? the PIRA disbanded years ago.
    Godge wrote: »
    I haven't heard any references to british recordings.

    However, I just listened back to her interview this morning and she mentioned that she has called on those who have recordings of the meeting to release the recordings.

    maybe, some other time she said that was the British, maybe it is happyman who is speculating that, I don't know, but I would also like to see those recordings released. It certainly isn't Mairia Cahill who is withholding them.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92685494&postcount=318

    However, it is you who suggested Ms. Cahill was withholding the recordings. So how do you now conclude they were British?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    K-9 wrote: »
    Excellent post, which to prove your point, got completely ignored!

    Denis Bradley on Newstalk was brilliant this morning, as he said nobody comes out of the troubles looking good. Policing is one of the first victims in a war situation but the heads of the IRA should have had the cop to know that they couldn't possibly deal with sex abuse cases. That was for the state authorities to deal with, and even they, with far more resources and knowledge, often got it wrong.

    Really, the last group that should be dealing with sex abuse cases is the IRA.


    The problem now is that Sinn Fein don't appear to have the cop on to come clean about exactly what happened.

    They are like the Catholic Church. We dealt with it in our own way and moved them on. That is just not good enough. It is also not good enough that victims are still waiting for justice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mod:

    This really isn't the thread for stuff about rates in the North. I'm sure there are others in the politics forum to do that. Thanks.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I was thinking big time of voting for Sinn Fein in the next election (voted for them in the local elections) but this kind of rubbish really has changed my mind. Still can't see myself voting for FG or Labour so maybe I'll give FF a second chance ort maybe go independent.

    That's the worry for SF. The 2 most economic illiterate parties competing for the same vote. FF could well be the winners here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    maccored wrote: »
    you are now saying SF can dictate to councils what the rates are.

    Sinn Fein are the council !

    EDIT: Just saw the mod message. Apologies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I think GA dealt with that too in his statement in fairness.

    Bradleys point was Adams should have come out with that straight away. When you're explaining you are losing in politics, especially when it comes to sexual abuse cases and kangaroo courts.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    that does not equal sinn fein in the north and south are completely different. thats what you are missing. Im saying no more on this as per mod request.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So local council rates set rates, Sinn Fein are the majority party in many councils, such councils increase rates. SF, with a majority, should be able to vote down any increases, and infact vote for decreases.

    What am I not seeing ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    I haven't heard any references to british recordings.

    However, I just listened back to her interview this morning and she mentioned that she has called on those who have recordings of the meeting to release the recordings.

    maybe, some other time she said that was the British, maybe it is happyman who is speculating that, I don't know, but I would also like to see those recordings released. It certainly isn't Mairia Cahill who is withholding them.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92685494&postcount=318

    However, it is you who suggested Ms. Cahill was withholding the recordings. So how do you now conclude they were British?

    Godge, she claimed the British bugged the IRA and 'must' have the recordings.

    She also re-iterated this morning that she had 'irrefutable evidence' of what she is alleging.
    She hasn't released that either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Ah stop, we all know. He is a liar.

    He was an IRA member and he might be liable for 2 years prison (under legislation that followed the GFA). It would be highly unlikely that Mr Adams would be prosecuted or that a judge would impose a custodial sentence.
    Unless somebody "wanted it to happen". Like for example, somebody wanting to bring him in for questioning around an election time, which would surely never happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Godge, she claimed the British bugged the IRA and 'must' have the recordings.

    She also re-iterated this morning that she had 'irrefutable evidence' of what she is alleging.
    She hasn't released that either.

    Is this the original trial or was there another?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27027645


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Godge, she claimed the British bugged the IRA and 'must' have the recordings.

    She also re-iterated this morning that she had 'irrefutable evidence' of what she is alleging.
    She hasn't released that either.


    Link to this British claim. I must have missed it along the way. I was so stunned by some of the stuff I saw and listened to that I must have missed that reference.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    Link to this British claim. I must have missed it along the way. I was so stunned by some of the stuff I saw and listened to that I must have missed that reference.
    It wasn't the British made the claim...in several of her interviews Maria Cahill said that the British where secretly recording the IRA and that they would have tapes and called on them to release them.
    I cannot be bothered looking for a link, I didn't make the original claim. You made the claim that SF had tapes, how about you posting a source for that and you might stumble across the actual fact in a case that you don't seem to know all the facts about on 2 threads here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Does anybody believe Adams told her to go to the RUC in 2000?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    K-9 wrote: »
    Does anybody believe Adams told her to go to the RUC in 2000?

    Its a fun game to play this

    Do you believe her claim that her alleged attacker was hanging around for her outside a lift in the court house?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It wasn't the British made the claim...in several of her interviews Maria Cahill said that the British where secretly recording the IRA and that they would have tapes and called on them to release them.
    I cannot be bothered looking for a link, I didn't make the original claim. You made the claim that SF had tapes, how about you posting a source for that and you might stumble across the actual fact in a case that you don't seem to know all the facts about on 2 threads here.


    I already posted a source for my claim.

    http://www.newstalk.com/Mairia-Cahill-on-Gerry-Adams:-I-am-calling-for-him-to-do-the-decent-thing-and-step-down

    In her interview this morning, she called on those who had recordings of the interviews to release them. I took Gerry Adams statement at face value about "the high standards and decency of the vast majority of IRA volunteers" and made the reasonable assumption that she was referring to SF/IRA recordings of the conversations/inquiries.

    One possibly wrong assumption on my part (provided you can back up your version) about a small part of the case does not mean that I don't know the facts of the situation and certainly does nothing to put a hole in anything that Mairia Cahill is saying.

    At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who has the tapes, they should be released. That is the bigger issue, and I hope you can join the call for full disclosure on the IRA cover-ups of child sexual abuse, if necessary through a public enquiry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Bambi wrote: »
    Its a fun game to play this

    Do you believe her claim that her alleged attacker was hanging around for her outside a lift in the court house?


    Yes.

    Do you believe she was afraid of retribution from SF/IRA for giving evidence against an IRA member in court?

    Sorry, don't bother answering it was a rhetorical question.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Godge wrote: »
    Yes.

    Do you believe she was afraid of retribution from SF/IRA for giving evidence against an IRA member in court?

    Sorry, don't bother answering it was a rhetorical question.
    So presumably you think she no is no longer afraid of SF/IRA retribution.
    That was also rhetorical BTW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    with her grand uncle being joe cahill? no, not really
    Godge wrote: »
    Yes.

    Do you believe she was afraid of retribution from SF/IRA for giving evidence against an IRA member in court?

    Sorry, don't bother answering it was a rhetorical question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Godge wrote: »
    Yes.

    Do you believe she was afraid of retribution from SF/IRA for giving evidence against an IRA member in court?

    Sorry, don't bother answering it was a rhetorical question.

    Ah we know you believe horse, your sole criteria for believing something about the shinners is that its negative. Its a shame the ould CCTV footage wasnt produced though, could have settled the matter beyond doubt.

    Did she make that claim in court, or even outside it, or did you just decide that on her behalf? I dont have access to the court proceedings but obviously you do so throw that claim up here :)

    Was this the same IRA member who claimed he moved to london because the provos wanted to shoot him? Hmmm can they both be right? You're probably willing to believe both of them, after all both stories fit your criteria for veracity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Bambi wrote: »
    Its a fun game to play this

    If you don't want to answer a simple question, fine.
    Do you believe her claim that her alleged attacker was hanging around for her outside a lift in the court house?

    It's possible. Why, don't you believe her?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »

    That isn't a source for your claim 'That SF had the tapes'.
    She doesn't say SF had them, just that they exist.


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