Two yr old boy stabbed to death in dublin

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 10:32pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

As the poster before you (tayto lover) said, someone that takes their childs life is obviously unwell. I agree with you that there is evil in this world but without knowing the full facts my suspicions are that pure evil wasn't the cause here.

Tails! · 16-10-2014 10:33pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

I guess its just hard to believe that people actually choose to do things like this. I find it hard to believe people do these things when they don't suffer from a mental illness etc but unfortunately I know bad people do exist

vicwatson · 16-10-2014 10:33pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Someone who takes their child's life is obviously ill. This kind of thing does not happen without some reason. God bless the little angel.
I am thinking of my own little grandchildren tonight and hoping they're safe and well.Will call to them tomorrow and spoil them a little.

Nice 1 TL, and an extra long hug for them.

Heard someone say before we should hug our children/grandchildren until they want to let go, they are young for a small time only.

Lyger · 16-10-2014 10:36pm

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 10:40pm

Lyger wrote: »

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

Well its an unfortunate reality is often the case.
But when a person suffering from psychiatric illness commits such an act, it is done irrationally and without thought of the act itself or its consequences.

delw · 16-10-2014 10:40pm

What could possibly go through someones head to do something like this, i just dont understand
Anyway like others have said my little fella got an extra tight hug going to bed tonight

RIP to the little boy

ElizaT33 · 16-10-2014 10:42pm

I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 11:04pm

ElizaT33 wrote: »

I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:

Correct. It raises questions on child protection services if it is a case that drugs were involved. There are facts to this that we don't know and may never know but one thing I think is clear is that no mother would ever cut her childs neck if she was thinking rationally.

Means Of Escape · 16-10-2014 11:04pm

Lyger wrote: »

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

It is

wandatowell · 16-10-2014 11:10pm

Bloody hell, poor kid.

RIP

One eyed Jack · 16-10-2014 11:12pm

Means Of Escape wrote: »

It is

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

HeidiHeidi · 16-10-2014 11:14pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

Bit late for that.

But I agree wholeheartedly with you, FWIW.

whupdedo · 16-10-2014 11:27pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

No one can concisely grab a knife and stab a child without something being seriously fcuked up inside their head

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 11:31pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

There are most certainly facts we don't know, and may never know. But as I said in my last post, no right minded person would do this so I think its safe to put 2 and 2 together and suspect there are mental issues gong on.

tritium · 16-10-2014 11:38pm

RIP little guy, may the angels hold you close tonight.

Wanted to cry when I first heard this. I look at my own kids and wonder how anyone could harm such a beautiful little innocent.

Mint Sauce · 16-10-2014 11:56pm

There are some sick fucks in this world. People found guilty of crimes like this should do serious time and have their tubes cut/tied so they can't inflict pain or torture on their own again.

Felt sick when I heard of how this wee man died, after thinking it was a case of child neglict or some sort of accident.

RIP wee man. Sleep well with the angels.

homerjay2005 · 17-10-2014 8:24am

Shocking story, may the poor boy rest in peace.

Zamboni · 17-10-2014 8:56am

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

Gael23 · 17-10-2014 9:05am

Zamboni wrote: »

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

The HSE strikes again. Appears now that this child was known to be at risk so why was he not taken into care?

Tasden · 17-10-2014 9:12am

Zamboni wrote: »

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

Edit: post above says it was known he was at risk so my post is irrelevant and it seems hse failed the little boy.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-10-2014 9:26am

I hate when we use the words like "tragedy" in cases like this in Ireland it glosses over the fact that a brutal act of violence ending in murder has been perpetrated on an innocent little boy

RIP:(

17-10-2014 9:32am

But the violent death of a baby - or anyone - IS a tragedy. It might be a result of a heinous crime, but it's still also a tragedy.

caustic 1 · 17-10-2014 9:43am

No one knows what state of mind the people involved were in. It is awful that another child is dead at the hands of a parent, I can still feel empathy though, in my head they must have been ill to cause harm to their child.

Also my understanding is that he was on the radar of HSE but was deemed safe. Of course now there will be an investigation.

ted1 · 17-10-2014 10:01am

vicwatson wrote: »

And a subsequent report finding the little lad safe and well, if only he could be safe and well now.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/missing-toddler-2-and-father-61-found-safe-and-well-30497329.html

Whatever the **** was going on between the parents at this point you'd have to ask why the **** did they have a child if they were gonna mess up the poor chaps life, sorry I'm very angry over this. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad::mad:

Sounds like mother was a nut job, father took him to be safe. Guards and HSE returned child to mother. I don't think your being fair to the father.

ted1 · 17-10-2014 10:07am

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

MOD

Take the gender war to another thread please

Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?

Gael23 · 17-10-2014 10:13am

ted1 wrote: »

Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?

Absolutely agreed.
Had the father been given custody, the child could possibly be alive today. Although the courts always say the best interests of the child come first, its really whatever the mother wants she gets.

17-10-2014 10:15am

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mrsbyrne · 17-10-2014 10:23am

The_Mask wrote: »

Poor lad, been through so much in his short life, very sad. Hopefully his mother will do actual jail time and not just therapy.

Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison? Seriously though, I hope you never suffer any kind of mental breakdown.

asteroids over berlin · 17-10-2014 10:28am

I would hope the person responsible has some sort of illness/disorder/depression etc, not that that's any excuse of course, can't be the action of any sane person!

RIP little one

BoJack Horseman · 17-10-2014 10:29am

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison?

What would you do with a mentality I'll person who violently takes another life?

Whether mountjoy or Dundrum, incarceration is indeed necessary.

Two yr old boy stabbed to death in dublin

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