Two yr old boy stabbed to death in dublin

hatrickpatrick · 16-10-2014 9:21pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Hope whoever did it gets a fair trial and if found guilty a tough sentence.

Sadly this is Ireland, a suspended sentence with a stern "don't do it again!" from the judge is all we can really hope for. :mad:

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 9:22pm

Mental illness is a horrible thing.

Story really does send shivers down your spine

the evasion_kid · 16-10-2014 9:22pm

Poor kid that's a fairly severe death

jodaw · 16-10-2014 9:22pm

RIP little angel.

Speaking as the father of an almost 2 year old boy this is beyond comprehension to me. I wish i could have taken the knife for him.

What kind of monsters walk amongst us?

so so sad

KERSPLAT! · 16-10-2014 9:23pm

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Summer wind · 16-10-2014 9:24pm

It's so absolutely heartbreaking to hear of this little boys death. To think that when I was drinking my tea today around two o clock that this little baby was killed a few miles away is unbelievable. I keep thinking of him alone in a morgue. Something has to be done to ensure children in danger are helped so we don't see more of this.

tayto lover · 16-10-2014 9:27pm

Someone who takes their child's life is obviously ill. This kind of thing does not happen without some reason. God bless the little angel.
I am thinking of my own little grandchildren tonight and hoping they're safe and well.Will call to them tomorrow and spoil them a little.

hatrickpatrick · 16-10-2014 9:28pm

ryanf1 wrote: »

Mental illness is a horrible thing.

Story really does send shivers down your spine

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

HeidiHeidi · 16-10-2014 9:31pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

I suspect, though, that cases like today's one are rarely the result of human plain and downright evil. I would guess that a majority are a result of some form of mental illness.

As I said earlier, I don't know, and nobody else does either.

But that's my opinion.

Zambia · 16-10-2014 9:32pm

Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 9:32pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

As the poster before you (tayto lover) said, someone that takes their childs life is obviously unwell. I agree with you that there is evil in this world but without knowing the full facts my suspicions are that pure evil wasn't the cause here.

Tails! · 16-10-2014 9:33pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

I guess its just hard to believe that people actually choose to do things like this. I find it hard to believe people do these things when they don't suffer from a mental illness etc but unfortunately I know bad people do exist

vicwatson · 16-10-2014 9:33pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Someone who takes their child's life is obviously ill. This kind of thing does not happen without some reason. God bless the little angel.
I am thinking of my own little grandchildren tonight and hoping they're safe and well.Will call to them tomorrow and spoil them a little.

Nice 1 TL, and an extra long hug for them.

Heard someone say before we should hug our children/grandchildren until they want to let go, they are young for a small time only.

Lyger · 16-10-2014 9:36pm

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 9:40pm

Lyger wrote: »

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

Well its an unfortunate reality is often the case.
But when a person suffering from psychiatric illness commits such an act, it is done irrationally and without thought of the act itself or its consequences.

delw · 16-10-2014 9:40pm

What could possibly go through someones head to do something like this, i just dont understand
Anyway like others have said my little fella got an extra tight hug going to bed tonight

RIP to the little boy

ElizaT33 · 16-10-2014 9:42pm

I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 10:04pm

ElizaT33 wrote: »

I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:

Correct. It raises questions on child protection services if it is a case that drugs were involved. There are facts to this that we don't know and may never know but one thing I think is clear is that no mother would ever cut her childs neck if she was thinking rationally.

Means Of Escape · 16-10-2014 10:04pm

Lyger wrote: »

What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

It is

wandatowell · 16-10-2014 10:10pm

Bloody hell, poor kid.

RIP

One eyed Jack · 16-10-2014 10:12pm

Means Of Escape wrote: »

It is

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

HeidiHeidi · 16-10-2014 10:14pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

Bit late for that.

But I agree wholeheartedly with you, FWIW.

whupdedo · 16-10-2014 10:27pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

No one can concisely grab a knife and stab a child without something being seriously fcuked up inside their head

Gael23 · 16-10-2014 10:31pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

There are most certainly facts we don't know, and may never know. But as I said in my last post, no right minded person would do this so I think its safe to put 2 and 2 together and suspect there are mental issues gong on.

tritium · 16-10-2014 10:38pm

RIP little guy, may the angels hold you close tonight.

Wanted to cry when I first heard this. I look at my own kids and wonder how anyone could harm such a beautiful little innocent.

Mint Sauce · 16-10-2014 10:56pm

There are some sick fucks in this world. People found guilty of crimes like this should do serious time and have their tubes cut/tied so they can't inflict pain or torture on their own again.

Felt sick when I heard of how this wee man died, after thinking it was a case of child neglict or some sort of accident.

RIP wee man. Sleep well with the angels.

homerjay2005 · 17-10-2014 7:24am

Shocking story, may the poor boy rest in peace.

Zamboni · 17-10-2014 7:56am

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

Gael23 · 17-10-2014 8:05am

Zamboni wrote: »

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

The HSE strikes again. Appears now that this child was known to be at risk so why was he not taken into care?

Tasden · 17-10-2014 8:12am

Zamboni wrote: »

HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
Innocent child gets murdered.
HSE have an "investigation".
Nothing happens. No dismissals.
Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

I hate this country.

Hassan Khan RIP

Edit: post above says it was known he was at risk so my post is irrelevant and it seems hse failed the little boy.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-10-2014 8:26am

I hate when we use the words like "tragedy" in cases like this in Ireland it glosses over the fact that a brutal act of violence ending in murder has been perpetrated on an innocent little boy

RIP:(

17-10-2014 8:32am

But the violent death of a baby - or anyone - IS a tragedy. It might be a result of a heinous crime, but it's still also a tragedy.

caustic 1 · 17-10-2014 8:43am

No one knows what state of mind the people involved were in. It is awful that another child is dead at the hands of a parent, I can still feel empathy though, in my head they must have been ill to cause harm to their child.

Also my understanding is that he was on the radar of HSE but was deemed safe. Of course now there will be an investigation.

ted1 · 17-10-2014 9:01am

vicwatson wrote: »

And a subsequent report finding the little lad safe and well, if only he could be safe and well now.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/missing-toddler-2-and-father-61-found-safe-and-well-30497329.html

Whatever the **** was going on between the parents at this point you'd have to ask why the **** did they have a child if they were gonna mess up the poor chaps life, sorry I'm very angry over this. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad::mad:

Sounds like mother was a nut job, father took him to be safe. Guards and HSE returned child to mother. I don't think your being fair to the father.

ted1 · 17-10-2014 9:07am

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

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Take the gender war to another thread please

Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?

Gael23 · 17-10-2014 9:13am

ted1 wrote: »

Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?

Absolutely agreed.
Had the father been given custody, the child could possibly be alive today. Although the courts always say the best interests of the child come first, its really whatever the mother wants she gets.

17-10-2014 9:15am

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mrsbyrne · 17-10-2014 9:23am

The_Mask wrote: »

Poor lad, been through so much in his short life, very sad. Hopefully his mother will do actual jail time and not just therapy.

Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison? Seriously though, I hope you never suffer any kind of mental breakdown.

asteroids over berlin · 17-10-2014 9:28am

I would hope the person responsible has some sort of illness/disorder/depression etc, not that that's any excuse of course, can't be the action of any sane person!

RIP little one

BoJack Horseman · 17-10-2014 9:29am

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison?

What would you do with a mentality I'll person who violently takes another life?

Whether mountjoy or Dundrum, incarceration is indeed necessary.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-10-2014 9:30am

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison? Seriously though, I hope you never suffer any kind of mental breakdown.

Anyone who stabs an innocent 2 year old to death should never see the light of day again

Irishcrx · 17-10-2014 10:02am

Truly awful stuff, a poor innocent 2 year old. I can't and never will understand how anybody could hurt a child , let alone their own child.

If they are depressed, on medication whatever they shouldn't be in the care of the child at all in that case.

There is no excuse for it , if you are in that bad a state of mind why kill the child? What has that child done to deserve it? Nothing.

Kill yourself so , but leave the ****ing children alone to live their life they have done nothing. I don't mean to be cold , but I just can't understand why these people can't just kill themselves if they are in that state why do they have to kill the innocent children.

RIP little lad.

dodderangler · 17-10-2014 10:14am

Lost for words here.
A child of two years old? Wtf. A completely innocent child who's life has hardly begun.
Hope the scruff who done it never sees the light of day again.

ThisRegard · 17-10-2014 10:28am

Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.

RobYourBuilder · 17-10-2014 10:30am

ryanf1 wrote: »

The HSE strikes again. Appears now that this child was known to be at risk so why was he not taken into care?

Before we start throwing stones, let's wait for the facts to come out.

RobYourBuilder · 17-10-2014 10:59am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.

Unpopular opinion, but here we are. An Garda Síochána are one of the best police forces in the western world. I wouldn't do an eight hour shift for €10,000. I mean that. The absolute crap they put up with. It's the judicial and legal system that needs to be badly reformed.

Pobb · 17-10-2014 11:02am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.

You know what this thread about a two year old murdered boy needs?

More water protest debate.

Rubberchikken · 17-10-2014 11:08am

Another example of the failure of the HSE to manage their workers properly.

I refuse to try the person responsible. Thats a matter for the courts.
And i'm willing to bet it's a number of things that are missed/overlooked because case workers are just not capable/willing to do their job properly.
Maybe the gardai involved should be looked at too to see if there was something they missed.

This type of thing happens too often. And the system in this country is failing those who desperately need it.

RobYourBuilder · 17-10-2014 11:21am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Another example of the failure of the HSE to manage their workers properly.

I refuse to try the person responsible. Thats a matter for the courts.
And i'm willing to bet it's a number of things that are missed/overlooked because case workers are just not capable/willing to do their job properly.
Maybe the gardai involved should be looked at too to see if there was something they missed.

This type of thing happens too often. And the system in this country is failing those who desperately need it.

We don't know what happened. We haven't a breeze who done or didn't do what yet. Put down your stone.

ThisRegard · 17-10-2014 12:03pm

Pobb wrote: »

You know what this thread about a two year old murdered boy needs?

More water protest debate.

Or the point made regarding the real hard and emotional crap they get put through that's not appreciated by a lot of people they're there to protect.

Two yr old boy stabbed to death in dublin

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