Love/Hate (v2) [ Spoilers ]

RainyDay · 15-09-2014 03:37PM

kitten_k wrote: »

http://www.her.ie/entertainment/get-out-your-diaries-date-revealed-for-lovehate-return/

Or maybe not....

https://twitter.com/LOVEHATETVDRAMA/status/511467542180007936

BuilderPlumber · 15-09-2014 03:46PM

RainyDay wrote: »

Or maybe not....

https://twitter.com/LOVEHATETVDRAMA/status/511467542180007936

October 12 was not the date in my head. I heard that the Charlie Haughey programme came first. That means this comes after Imelda May (Imelda has 2 shows left, next week and the week after: she said her show is 4 part). So, Charlie starts on October 5th and is 3 part. Love/Hate has to then start on the 26 October, which is the start time for it in season 2 and 3.

hatrickpatrick · 16-09-2014 07:44AM

Bastards. :mad:

Lovely Bloke · 16-09-2014 08:05AM

nah, it's good, I reckon Charlie will be a decent warm up act, from one set of gangsters to another.

Spon Farmer · 16-09-2014 04:58PM

Hi,

Does anyone know why Aoibhinn McGinnity's name was dropped from the main credits in the third season?

Why was no explanation given for Darren's change in character from season 2?

He had little remorse after murdering an innocent couple and no hesitation in crushing Git's head with a barrel (it was deserved, but the attitude he had in doing it was way out of character).

BWT, not seen the season 4 yet so no spoilers please

BuilderPlumber · 16-09-2014 11:22PM

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know why Aoibhinn McGinnity's name was dropped from the main credits in the third season?

Why was no explanation given for Darren's change in character from season 2?

He had little remorse after murdering an innocent couple and no hesitation in crushing Git's head with a barrel (it was deserved, but the attitude he had in doing it was way out of character).

BWT, not seen the season 4 yet so no spoilers please

True, Darren was much more vicious in season 3. The only compassion he showed was letting Elmo live. I think while no explanation was given about Darren, we can read through the lines: by season 3, Rosie was gone and Darren did not care anymore for anyone other than the gang and its values. He was by now a hardened hitman who knew he was good at it and could earn more than a living doing it. There was no Rosie to convince him otherwise or Mary (his sister).

blackwave · 18-09-2014 01:05PM

Look what I spotted today it's getting close to being back

DazMarz · 18-09-2014 01:47PM

"Coming soon"... fúcking cock-tease

RainyDay · 18-09-2014 02:43PM

blackwave wrote: »

Look what I spotted today it's getting close to being back

So Nidge is giving the nod for somebody to thump Fran then?

lufties · 18-09-2014 03:28PM

That paulie character looks like a nasty piece of work.

hatrickpatrick · 18-09-2014 04:27PM

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Why was no explanation given for Darren's change in character from season 2?

He had little remorse after murdering an innocent couple and no hesitation in crushing Git's head with a barrel (it was deserved, but the attitude he had in doing it was way out of character).

BWT, not seen the season 4 yet so no spoilers please

That's what I was saying earlier about the change in tone from season to season. As the show has gone on, it has become darker - all of the characters have aged and evolved from small to big "fish" as criminal gangs are generally described. For instance, I won't ruin any of season 4 for you but having seen it myself before the rest, I was astonished to see Nidge crying over Darren. Season 4 Nidge wouldn't shed a tear for anyone except perhaps Warren.
Darren became more and more hardened as the first three seasons went on. I felt that was made fairly clear, as he showed less and less hesitation in killing people from one murder to the next - I don't think there's any way season one Darren would have killed Luke for instance, but when it happened his attitude was more "Has to be done, sure f*ck it".

BuilderPlumber · 18-09-2014 09:32PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's what I was saying earlier about the change in tone from season to season. As the show has gone on, it has become darker - all of the characters have aged and evolved from small to big "fish" as criminal gangs are generally described. For instance, I won't ruin any of season 4 for you but having seen it myself before the rest, I was astonished to see Nidge crying over Darren. Season 4 Nidge wouldn't shed a tear for anyone except perhaps Warren.
Darren became more and more hardened as the first three seasons went on. I felt that was made fairly clear, as he showed less and less hesitation in killing people from one murder to the next - I don't think there's any way season one Darren would have killed Luke for instance, but when it happened his attitude was more "Has to be done, sure f*ck it".

Darren went from reluctantly involved to deeply involved somewhere between season 2's start and season 3. I'd say the split with Rosie hardened him? I think Darren always hated John Boy so it was the natural conclusion he had him killed. Nidge wanted Luke out of the way as he was not someone who he was 100% certain he could trust to keep the John Boy killing secret. Darren at first did not want him dead (he wanted to send him away with money) but Nidge convinced him otherwise.

By season 3, Darren was the man who did the dirty work for the gang and by extension the CIRA. Elmo and his cousin were used as scapegoats and Darren killed Elmo's cousin and girlfriend in cold blood in a way he would not have done before.

I found Nidge to become more emotional in series 3 and 4. In series 1 and 2, he was lighthearted but always shows a conscience. He is disgusted at the idea of throwing the pipebomb at Linda in S2. Darren and Nidge go back a long way and of course there is respect on both sides. Darren saves Nidge, Nidge is upset he has to kill Darren and is kinda relieved when he didn't! Season 4 Nidge also shows plenty of emotion and caring: look at how he talks Fran out of killing Tommy? He cries for his mother's death. He of course is very concerned for his children. BUT make no mistake about it: Nidge will not let anything stop him getting the job done. He would prefer not to hurt certain people but he will put himself and gang interests first!

18-09-2014 10:38PM

blackwave wrote: »

Look what I spotted today it's getting close to being back

RTÉ ads spoiling way too much :mad: We all predict that certain things will happen but id rather see them as they happen rather then in a commercial in the buildup.

Nidge is very much the Terry Clark figure (for those who have seen Underbelly S2 and are aware of the whole Mr Asia story). He is very measured and controlled and is able to compartmentalise anything that happens to him once its in his own interests.

BuilderPlumber · 19-09-2014 08:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

RTÉ ads spoiling way too much :mad: We all predict that certain things will happen but id rather see them as they happen rather then in a commercial in the buildup.

Nidge is very much the Terry Clark figure (for those who have seen Underbelly S2 and are aware of the whole Mr Asia story). He is very measured and controlled and is able to compartmentalise anything that happens to him once its in his own interests.

Nidge traditionally is the sensible voice in the gang. But as we know, this does not always go according to plan. In early seasons, gang boss John Boy was quickly becoming a liability with his obsessions about his dead brother's ghost and his OTT war with Fran the man.

Nidge took over determined to pursue a more moderate line .. until, the CIRA came on the scene. First off, Nidge had to control an angry Darren seeking revenge on an accidental knee-capping of Ado. Darren went to throw a pipebomb at their car even. If that was not bad enough, IRA man Git raped Siobhan and Darren/Tommy violently killed him (against Nidge's wishes).

Nidge was then set on a course of paranoia and mistrust due to repercussions of the actions of his friends. The IRA are after him and splits in the gang ranks start to show. By the end of season 3, Nidge was as paranoid as John Boy and the pressure was extreme: poor Tommy gets the brunt of it! But pragmatic and resourceful Nidge surfaces in he seeing he could go over Dano's (Git's son who is out for total revenge once he cops on Nidge's gang killed Git) head to do a deal with Tony. Part of that deal was to have Darren killed. Nidge did not feel good about it but he had to do it. He organised Ado and Elmo to do it but it backfired with Lizzie instead clipping Darren.

By season 4, Nidge is a man who is dogged by guilt, depression, lack of confidence and paranoia. Darren, Tommy, the continued Dano threat and then the Fran/Linda thing coming back all haunt him. But again we see the pragmatic and resourceful Nidge: another deal with Tony that gets rid of Dano once and for all, his partnership with the dentist who he sees as useful, his ability to talk Fran out of killing Tommy.

Will season 5 show us a different Nidge? I think so. From what has been said, he has got over his depression/paranoia of seasons 3/4 and has to reassert himself again. But his enemies remain: the new guys from Spain, Fran (perhaps), and Siobhan (I have a feeling from the clip that Siobhan could be in grave danger). Nidge could mount pre-emptive strikes on many he perceives as enemies: like he did with Wayne (successfully) and Paddy Pipebomb (not successfully).

Stiltzkin · 19-09-2014 10:44AM

The new promo trailer came out lately. There definitely seems to be high tension between Nidge and Fran (it shows Nidge giving the go ahead for his henchman to hit Fran with a bat). The RTE season preview showed Fran crying (does he find out the truth about Linda?) and also looking at the statue of Mary (did he kill someone?). I don't see Nidge and Fran being friends past episode 3 of this season.

Patrick seems to be holding his own, and with the reports of his family also filming, I think there will be a lot of scenes dedicated to the travellers as a force to be reckoned with.

Nidge may befriend that drug dealer in Spain (the one who talks about rats always being present) but I think his associate, the dodgy looking fella, may be a loose cannon. He also seems to have his eye out for Siobhan in the trailer.

I hope Elmo is explored more in Season 5, as he took more of a backseat role in season 4. Perhaps Guinea will continue to work for Nidge also.
Surprisingly, there is no footage of Tommy so far. I am taking he survived his accident in the s4 finale. I'm unsure what kind of role he could be playing in this season, as I don't see him being in the condition to travel abroad.

Anyone know who the person putting on the Balaclava could be? Looks like either Tommy or Lizzie, I'm not sure. I don't think the IRA characters will make any appearance in this season, although I do hope Tony could lend a hand in situations, he's a good actor.

I wish Love/Hate would incorporate flashback scenes similar to how Breaking Bad does it. Maybe I just want Robbie back, haha. I hope they do continue to mention Darren in season 5 though.

bazermc · 19-09-2014 01:35PM

The Nidge weasel is on the Late Late tonight

They only time it is acceptable to watch the LLS

19-09-2014 01:40PM

bazermc wrote: »

The Nidge weasel is on the Late Late tonight

They only time it is acceptable to watch the LLS

Que the DLB showing loads of stupid youtube clips and Nidge there sitting awkwardly, twiddling his thumbs just as Tubs did when he had the other six on last year.

deise08 · 19-09-2014 09:57PM

October 5
October 5
October 5
aaaaggh

19-09-2014 10:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Que the DLB showing loads of stupid youtube clips and Nidge there sitting awkwardly, twiddling his thumbs just as Tubs did when he had the other six on last year.

Well there wasnt loads of youtube clips but i was sorta right

Cant wait until October 5th. Hopefully RTE wont release any more ads and spoil the show for us.

JP Liz V1 · 19-09-2014 10:33PM

bazermc wrote: »

The Nidge weasel is on the Late Late tonight

They only time it is acceptable to watch the LLS

Better if was Nidge, TVL was very Mr. Bean like on LLS

Lisha · 19-09-2014 10:51PM

deise08 wrote: »

^^^^^
Wrong thread

Aghhh delete please deise08

deise08 · 19-09-2014 10:56PM

had to look away when the love/hate ad was on. I really don't want to know anything before the new season starts!
From now on I'm going to have to try avoid all the red tops, already saw a pic of nidge. Going to be pretty hard working in a supermarket.

19-09-2014 11:03PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Nidge traditionally is the sensible voice in the gang. But as we know, this does not always go according to plan. In early seasons, gang boss John Boy was quickly becoming a liability with his obsessions about his dead brother's ghost and his OTT war with Fran the man.

Nidge took over determined to pursue a more moderate line .. until, the CIRA came on the scene. First off, Nidge had to control an angry Darren seeking revenge on an accidental knee-capping of Ado. Darren went to throw a pipebomb at their car even. If that was not bad enough, IRA man Git raped Siobhan and Darren/Tommy violently killed him (against Nidge's wishes).

Nidge is smart but he is not feared. He is diplomatic but is probably seen as a walkover. Even though for example Git doesnt agree with the mistaken shooting of Ado, he boldly fronts Nidge out when confronted and gets him to patsy to his demands but Git didnt count on Tommy and Darren and Nidge's inability to keep them in line.

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Nidge was then set on a course of paranoia and mistrust due to repercussions of the actions of his friends. The IRA are after him and splits in the gang ranks start to show. By the end of season 3, Nidge was as paranoid as John Boy and the pressure was extreme: poor Tommy gets the brunt of it! But pragmatic and resourceful Nidge surfaces in he seeing he could go over Dano's (Git's son who is out for total revenge once he cops on Nidge's gang killed Git) head to do a deal with Tony. Part of that deal was to have Darren killed. Nidge did not feel good about it but he had to do it. He organised Ado and Elmo to do it but it backfired with Lizzie instead clipping Darren.

By season 4, Nidge is a man who is dogged by guilt, depression, lack of confidence and paranoia. Darren, Tommy, the continued Dano threat and then the Fran/Linda thing coming back all haunt him. But again we see the pragmatic and resourceful Nidge: another deal with Tony that gets rid of Dano once and for all, his partnership with the dentist who he sees as useful, his ability to talk Fran out of killing Tommy.

Will season 5 show us a different Nidge? I think so. From what has been said, he has got over his depression/paranoia of seasons 3/4 and has to reassert himself again. But his enemies remain: the new guys from Spain, Fran (perhaps), and Siobhan (I have a feeling from the clip that Siobhan could be in grave danger). Nidge could mount pre-emptive strikes on many he perceives as enemies: like he did with Wayne (successfully) and Paddy Pipebomb (not successfully).

Over time i suppose the whole vicious gang leader thing becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for Nidge. Just like Darren, he becomes sucked deeper and deeper into the dark side. Nidge pissing on the cops milk might suggest he is becoming more boisterous and bould this season and that he is beginning to believe in his own luck. He'll be aware of who is his enemies and deal with all of them...except one who will come up and catch him on the blindside.

I do think though that Nidge's will do whatever it takes to protect the family being harmed. Regardless of whether Siobhan works against him with the Gardai or not, i think he wont want to see her being harmed and might be willing to do the time in order to save her if it comes down to it. If Paulie becomes a threat to Siobhan, i think Nidge will do whats necessary to save her. It might be his ultimate downfall though.

As for Fran, i reckon Peter and Judas (Deano and Carlo) will inevitably betray him.

BuilderPlumber · 20-09-2014 09:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nidge is smart but he is not feared. He is diplomatic but is probably seen as a walkover. Even though for example Git doesnt agree with the mistaken shooting of Ado, he boldly fronts Nidge out when confronted and gets him to patsy to his demands but Git didnt count on Tommy and Darren and Nidge's inability to keep them in line.

Over time i suppose the whole vicious gang leader thing becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for Nidge. Just like Darren, he becomes sucked deeper and deeper into the dark side. Nidge pissing on the cops milk might suggest he is becoming more boisterous and bould this season and that he is beginning to believe in his own luck. He'll be aware of who is his enemies and deal with all of them...except one who will come up and catch him on the blindside.

I do think though that Nidge's will do whatever it takes to protect the family being harmed. Regardless of whether Siobhan works against him with the Gardai or not, i think he wont want to see her being harmed and might be willing to do the time in order to save her if it comes down to it. If Paulie becomes a threat to Siobhan, i think Nidge will do whats necessary to save her. It might be his ultimate downfall though.

As for Fran, i reckon Peter and Judas (Deano and Carlo) will inevitably betray him.

Yes, I think this will be true. Paulie is shaping up to be the main baddie here. So much so that Nidge and his other enemies could end up all facing a common enemy.

Deano and Carlo will betray Fran I am sure. Nidge and Fran will I predict somehow go from friends to enemies back to friends again (probably because of Paulie) as I believe both will survive the season.

The main drug dealer in Spain will be someone pragmatic like Tony I'd say. Like Tony with Dano, he could tire of Paulie and his violent ways and Nidge could sense this as an opportunity to get rid of Paulie?

Lizzie does seem to be in it. Definitely, that person putting on the balaclava was her it seems? What will her role be this time I wonder? She will be linked some way to Paulie I'd say?

Nidge will protect his family yes and this is something his enemies exploit. Yes, Siobhan may get into trouble and Nidge could save her. There will be lots of twists and turns with former enemies and adversaries becoming friends I would feel. Paulie will be the Dano of this season I feel?

20-09-2014 09:34PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Yes, I think this will be true. Paulie is shaping up to be the main baddie here. So much so that Nidge and his other enemies could end up all facing a common enemy.

Deano and Carlo will betray Fran I am sure. Nidge and Fran will I predict somehow go from friends to enemies back to friends again (probably because of Paulie) as I believe both will survive the season.

The main drug dealer in Spain will be someone pragmatic like Tony I'd say. Like Tony with Dano, he could tire of Paulie and his violent ways and Nidge could sense this as an opportunity to get rid of Paulie?

Lizzie does seem to be in it. Definitely, that person putting on the balaclava was her it seems? What will her role be this time I wonder? She will be linked some way to Paulie I'd say?

Nidge will protect his family yes and this is something his enemies exploit. Yes, Siobhan may get into trouble and Nidge could save her. There will be lots of twists and turns with former enemies and adversaries becoming friends I would feel. Paulie will be the Dano of this season I feel?

+1

Paulie is a violent unpredictable sociopath akin to Danno and Nidge will turn to his (as in Paulie's) old boss to deal with him, who in turn will have probably fobbed him off on Nidge to get him out of the way.

Really hope Lizzie and Patrick the traveller survive. Both very likeable characters.

lufties · 21-09-2014 08:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

Paulie is a violent unpredictable sociopath akin to Danno and Nidge will turn to his (as in Paulie's) old boss to deal with him, who in turn will have probably fobbed him off on Nidge to get him out of the way.

Really hope Lizzie and Patrick the traveller survive. Both very likeable characters.

Is that dean hitting fran with a bat in the clip?

21-09-2014 09:03AM

lufties wrote: »

Is that dean hitting fran with a bat in the clip?

I think its the big Lithuanian heavy that Nidge has hired as bodyguard.

lufties · 21-09-2014 09:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think its the big Lithuanian heavy that Nidge has hired as bodyguard.

It does look like him alright

BuilderPlumber · 21-09-2014 08:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

Paulie is a violent unpredictable sociopath akin to Danno and Nidge will turn to his (as in Paulie's) old boss to deal with him, who in turn will have probably fobbed him off on Nidge to get him out of the way.

Really hope Lizzie and Patrick the traveller survive. Both very likeable characters.

Yes, I can see this being the case. It will also be interesting to see who the drug boss in Spain and Paulie are connected to. How in other words did Nidge get to know them.

Each season had an unpredictable obsessed dangerous person who the others feared and could not control. Hughie did this in season 1 and John Boy descended into this in season 2. Dano was this role in seasons 3 and 4 and Paulie seems destined to take on this role in season 5.

We have seen each come to a violent end and often have seen their obsessions cause their end. We have also seen Nidge use their obsessions to his advantage (e.g. Dano becoming more of a liability to Tony than anything else; John Boy becoming too extreme for business to flow freely). We can be assured of seeing similar here. Whether Paulie is a one-season man or will he (like Dano) cross into a second season remains to be seen.

Stiltzkin · 28-09-2014 04:15PM

Guys, avoid looking up anything to do with love/hate for a while.
Potentially got spoiled on a character death for season 5. Irish mirror are absolute imbeciles putting spoilers in article titles. It could be just ****e, like when all the rags were saying Darren was back for Season 4, but Idk. It's best not to go near any news sites and just enjoy the series.

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