Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

Fratton Fred · 29-07-2014 06:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

So you decided to wave a big dick at him. Very clever.

Some times it's needed. Unfortunately.

Nodin · 29-07-2014 06:52PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Some times it's needed. Unfortunately.

No Fred, it really really isn't.

An Claidheamh · 29-07-2014 09:05PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Simple reminder to a certain poster that the UK isn't the washed up little has been he likes to think it is.

Where in my quotes do I say the UK is a "washed up little has been"?

They were referring to the British commonwealth and it's games.

Surely you can distinguish between the two, as the UK and commonwealth are different right?

Mal-Adjusted · 29-07-2014 09:08PM

soooooo...just to catch up, has anyone actually pointed out what Ireland would hope to gain by membership that we don't have access to outside of it?

kingchess · 29-07-2014 09:12PM

well,it seems that the uk has a large dick and we could shelter under it(I think),

wazky · 29-07-2014 09:12PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

soooooo...just to catch up, has anyone actually pointed out what Ireland would hope to gain by membership that we don't have access to outside of it?

So far we have:

1."We would gain maturity" (don't ask me how though)

2. "Moving on from the past" (by rejoining the past)

3. "Get the chance to win shiny pieces of metal every few years"

Think that's all we have at the moment.

Strazdas · 29-07-2014 10:07PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

The pro-commonwealth argument appears to be "You Irish need to forget about the past and join this organisation, of which the membership is based on what happened in the past"

I also dont understand the "begrudgery" aspect. How can we begrudge someone something which we dont want or care about? The RoI has nothing to do with the games, they dont complain, dont protest, dont ask anything of them.

We just get on with our lives and leave the CW at it. According to our unionist brothers that's the height of bitterness, begrudgery and having a chip on your shoulder, for which we should be giving a grovelling apology to the UK.

Yes it does. Quite a few fellow Irish citizens are representing Northern Ireland at these Games and will then represent Ireland at the Olympic Games in two years' time. There were even some tricolours out in force in the arena for the Northern Irish boxers.

Kermit.de.frog · 30-07-2014 11:25AM

Jamaican sprint superstar Usain Bolt remarked that the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games were “a bit s***”, according to a report in Wednesday’s Times newspaper.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/bolt-criticises-commonwealth-games-1.1882503

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-07-2014 11:51AM

Actually Bolt comes across as bit of a twat, very egotistical. He has denied it now and says

'Usain St. Leo Bolt @usainbolt · 2h

I'm waking up to this nonsense..journalist please don't create lies to make headlines'

https://twitter.com/usainbolt

If he came to Glasgow when the Games started he would have had his photo opportunities in the heatwave rather than waiting in the drizzle at the Athletes village for his car.

CrabRevolution · 30-07-2014 11:56AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes it does. Quite a few fellow Irish citizens are representing Northern Ireland at these Games and will then represent Ireland at the Olympic Games in two years' time. There were even some tricolours out in force in the arena for the Northern Irish boxers.

I'm aware of that, hence the RoI bit. The team we send to the olympics is an all Ireland deal, and while some athletes on the NI part compete in the CW games, the RoI ones dont have anything to do with it.

Strazdas · 30-07-2014 04:26PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I'm aware of that, hence the RoI bit. The team we send to the olympics is an all Ireland deal, and while some athletes on the NI part compete in the CW games, the RoI ones dont have anything to do with it.

We are certainly not officially competing as a nation but some of our citizens are : the entire NI boxing team for example seems to be drawn from the nationalist community, meaning there are a load of Irish passport holders and some past and future Irish Olympians winning medals there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-07-2014 05:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes it does. Quite a few fellow Irish citizens are representing Northern Ireland at these Games and will then represent Ireland at the Olympic Games in two years' time. There were even some tricolours out in force in the arena for the Northern Irish boxers.

Strazdas wrote: »

We are certainly not officially competing as a nation but some of our citizens are : the entire NI boxing team for example seems to be drawn from the nationalist community, meaning there are a load of Irish passport holders and some past and future Irish Olympians winning medals there.

... but they're not representing the Republic, that's the point. Power to them, if that's what they want to do to gain some experience for furture games and tournaments and win a few medas, but the original question was should we as a nation rejoin, not should we send some individuals to compete.

Nodin · 30-07-2014 05:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/bolt-criticises-commonwealth-games-1.1882503

Doesn't sound like Jamaican phrasing now, does it?

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 05:53PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Actually Bolt comes across as bit of a twat, very egotistical. He has denied it now and says

'Usain St. Leo Bolt @usainbolt · 2h

I'm waking up to this nonsense..journalist please don't create lies to make headlines'

https://twitter.com/usainbolt

If he came to Glasgow when the Games started he would have had his photo opportunities in the heatwave rather than waiting in the drizzle at the Athletes village for his car.

Well he's the best athlete there, the main attraction (if he was racing in his event), and now he's suddenly an "egotistical twat"?:eek:

Karl Stein · 30-07-2014 05:57PM

In all fairness the CG should consider itself lucky Bolt is attending at all. Bolt was probably advised to attend for his own self-interest.

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-07-2014 06:03PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Well he's the best athlete there:

No, he is the best athlete at running 100m/200m. There are other athletes who would wipe the floor with him in their events. I think you meant to say, he is the best known athlete there.

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 06:07PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No, he is the best athlete at running 100m/200m. There are other athletes who would wipe the floor with him in their events. I think you meant to say, he is the best known athlete there.

Certainly.

Of course at his own events. Hardly the best at badminton.

Strazdas · 30-07-2014 06:39PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... but they're not representing the Republic, that's the point. Power to them, if that's what they want to do to gain some experience for furture games and tournaments and win a few medas, but the original question was should we as a nation rejoin, not should we send some individuals to compete.

I do find our attitude to the Commonwealth interesting. India is a fully independent Republic and had a very troubled relationship with the UK prior to independence in 1947, and yet have no problem being members of it.

Sunnyisland · 30-07-2014 06:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I do find our attitude to the Commonwealth interesting. India is a fully independent Republic and had a very troubled relationship with the UK prior to independence in 1947, and yet have no problem being members of it.

Maybe it's got to with the fact that India dosent have some of its rightfull country still indirectly governed from west minister , just saying like.

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 06:48PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I do find our attitude to the Commonwealth interesting. India is a fully independent Republic and had a very troubled relationship with the UK prior to independence in 1947, and yet have no problem being members of it.

And do you feel the same for the USA?

Do you find it interesting that it's basically the old British empire.

It even has the British royals (i.e Monarchs) as the heads, and will do so indefinitely.

I find the fact that Indians enjoy all the pageantry interesting.

I also find why the UK should still have "relationships" or hegemony over their former subjects despite being a modern country needs explanation.

Maybe you could explain?

LordSutch · 30-07-2014 06:48PM

realies wrote: »

Maybe it's got to with the fact that India dosent have some of its rightfull country still indirectly governed from west minister , just saying like.

Not that old chestnut :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred · 30-07-2014 07:08PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

And do you feel the same for the USA?

Do you find it interesting that it's basically the old British empire.

It even has the British royals (i.e Monarchs) as the heads, and will do so indefinitely.

I find the fact that Indians enjoy all the pageantry interesting.

I also find why the UK should still have "relationships" or hegemony over their former subjects despite being a modern country needs explanation.

Maybe you could explain?

The UK has nothing over anybody. It is a free association. The monarch is the symbolic head, but the real control is with the commonwealth heads of government chairman and the Secretary General, neither of whom are currently British.

Fratton Fred · 30-07-2014 07:23PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

In all fairness the CG should consider itself lucky Bolt is attending at all. Bolt was probably advised to attend for his own self-interest.

Bolt hasn't raced at all this year due to injury. He therefore missed the Jamaican qualifying event and didn't want to take the place of the runners that qualified.

He is running in the relay though. How would not running not be in his interest? Or would the queen take out a hit in him for failing to tug his forelock correctly?

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 07:23PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The UK has nothing over anybody. It is a free association. The monarch is the symbolic head, but the real control is with the commonwealth heads of government chairman and the Secretary General, neither of whom are currently British.

So why not have a non-Brit as "symbolic head"?

LordSutch · 30-07-2014 07:28PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

So how do we have a chip on our shoulder as a nation? Cause some little unionist posh boy's D4 family, who got left behind in Dublin after partition, and fawns over everything British, says so? And looks for non-existent, anti-British sentiments and tries to blow them out of proportion at every chance, to show how we're a nation of Celtic jersey wearing, British hating, armchair republicans with some inferiority complex to Britain? Who's really the one with the chip on their shoulder?

Nice try at raising the temp

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An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 07:29PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Bolt hasn't raced at all this year due to injury. He therefore missed the Jamaican qualifying event and didn't want to take the place of the runners that qualified.

He is running in the relay though. How would not running not be in his interest? Or would the queen take out a hit in him for failing to tug his forelock correctly?

Funny, I read on thejournal that he wouldn't go to previous commonwealth games.

Maybe he just thought the games were sh1t?

LordSutch · 30-07-2014 07:29PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

So why not have a non-Brit as "symbolic head"?

Yeah, how about higgins?

Fratton Fred · 30-07-2014 07:30PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

So why not have a non-Brit as "symbolic head"?

Why not have a Brit?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-07-2014 07:31PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I do find our attitude to the Commonwealth interesting. India is a fully independent Republic and had a very troubled relationship with the UK prior to independence in 1947, and yet have no problem being members of it.

I haven't actually voiced an attidue towards the commonwealth.

There are plenty of republics and independent nations within the commonwealth. Ireland is not one of them. That's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact.

Whether or not we should be is a different question and until someone gives me a good reason to debate as to why we should rejoin, I see no reason to change anything (which is not a statement about the commonwealth, either).

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 07:32PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Yeah, how about higgins?

Well he'd need to work on his accent.

Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

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