Gay Cake Controversy!

Harry Palmr · 08-07-2014 10:09am #1

A Northern Ireland bakery was asked to create a cake with a pro-gay marriage message featuring Bert and Ernie (who as far as I know are not gay!) the bakery refused as it went against the religious views of the owner, the people who ordered the cake reported the bakery to the Equality Commission who have informed the bakers that they are now open to prosecution.

They even made a cake video to explain their position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFqxdiVvrx0

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0708/629217-gay-marriage-cake/

Has the world gone mad?

lazygal · 08-07-2014 10:11am

Now I know which bakery to avoid in that neck of the woods. WTF is a bakery run on Christian values anyway?

Hande hoche! · 08-07-2014 10:12am

Didn't something near identical happen in the U.S.?

coffee_cake · 08-07-2014 10:12am

What a load of sh!te
A LGBT activist targetted a christian bakery.
It's a CAKE

iDave · 08-07-2014 10:12am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Has the world gone mad?

Yes, but that's not a recent development.

Caliden · 08-07-2014 10:14am

If they were so against it why didn't they just make it but hide a lump of poo in the middle?

Hande hoche! · 08-07-2014 10:15am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/aaron-klein-oregon-bakery-owner-lesbian-wedding-cake_n_2615563.html

https://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/charlie-craig-and-david-mullins-v-masterpiece-cakeshop

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/iowa-wedding-cake-lesbian-couple_n_1092789.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3797823/Adolf-Hitler-denied-his-birthday-cake.html

Seems to have happened a few times.

Lucifer MorningStar · 08-07-2014 10:16am

Cake and Sodomy FTW!

wazky · 08-07-2014 10:16am

What a pavlova about nothing.

floggg · 08-07-2014 10:17am

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

lazygal · 08-07-2014 10:19am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

Or a civil wedding rather than a church wedding cake. Or a naming ceremony instead of a christening. I remember Jesus saying something about cake makers needing to discriminate against minority groups.

Caliden · 08-07-2014 10:19am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

What about a cake with a big black willy on it? Could they refuse then ?

coffee_cake · 08-07-2014 10:19am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

I'd be annoyed if a black bakery owner couldn't refuse custom to white harassers. Or the latest irish branch of the kkk

Donkey Oaty · 08-07-2014 10:20am

Maybe it was Bert they objected to rather than the message.

He has serious form.

Dave0301 · 08-07-2014 10:20am

Funny that this cake company can be open to persecution when it takes a stance on religious grounds, yet other religious workers can refuse to sell alcohol or meat products based on their religion.

guttenberg · 08-07-2014 10:20am

You would think they would of had the brains to use copyright infringement to cover themselves for refusing to make it. . .

I Heart Internet · 08-07-2014 10:20am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

A black family is not a political campaign.

A gay person or family is not a political campaign.

A campaign poster/cake for gay marriage is a political campaign.

A business should have the right to decline business it doesn't want, in particular for political campaigns it doesn't wish to be involved in.

lazygal · 08-07-2014 10:22am

I Heart Internet wrote: »

A black family is not a political campaign.

A gay person or family is not a political campaign.

A campaign poster/cake for gay marriage is a political campaign.

A business should have the right to decline business it doesn't want, in particular for political campaigns it doesn't wish to be involved in.

What would Jesus the cake maker do? Are civil rights just political campaigns now?

Hande hoche! · 08-07-2014 10:22am

Perhaps the baker was vary of Sesame Street's copyright?

coffee_cake · 08-07-2014 10:23am

lazygal wrote: »

What would Jesus the cake maker do? Are civil rights just political campaigns now?

If the cake was ordered by an activist for a campaign what else is it

Harry Palmr · 08-07-2014 10:23am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

Well what annoys me is that this feels like a plot by those who ordered the cake. I'm not religious (having a brain in my head) but if I were and I was in business and I was asked to create something which advocated something I was opposed to on faith grounds I'd want the freedom under law not to fulfil the order. Not be compelled by law to go against my beliefs.

Robbo · 08-07-2014 10:25am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A Northern Ireland bakery was asked to create a cake with a pro-gay marriage message featuring Bert and Ernie (who as far as I know are not gay!) the bakery refused as it went against the religious views of the owner, the people who ordered the cake reported the bakery to the Equality Commission who have informed the bakers that they are now open to prosecution.

You keep thinking that about Bert and Ernie, they just want a quiet life.

BeerWolf · 08-07-2014 10:26am

lazygal wrote: »

Now I know which bakery to avoid in that neck of the woods. WTF is a bakery run on Christian values anyway?

Jesus broke bread at his last supper - that's good enough for them.

I Heart Internet · 08-07-2014 10:27am

lazygal wrote: »

What would Jesus the cake maker do? Are civil rights just political campaigns now?

Jesus actually has very little bearing on this debate. The business people have a right to decline to be involved in this groups political campaign.

P_1 · 08-07-2014 10:28am

Right in this instance I'd have to say that the bakery were right to refuse to bake the cake.

Forgive the slight strawmanning but lets imagine a Sinn Fein activist wanted to get a cake made that had 'Saor Eire Anois' written across it in a Unionist-run bakery, or take Bruce Springsteen refusing to have his music played at the GOP convention in the states. If a business has no wish to be associated with a political campaign then they should be free to refuse business that would associate them with it.

It's not homophobic or discriminatory to not wish to be a part of a pro SSM campaign.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-07-2014 10:30am

Don't see the issue here. The owners of the bakery have their religious beliefs. They are entitled to religious expression. I don't think it's anyone's business. If people don't like it just shop somewhere else.

This does not strike me as intolerance on behalf of the bakery but rather intolerance on behalf of the customer.

Dixie Chick · 08-07-2014 10:32am

Just go to another bakery. No business HAS to accept a job they don't want. Was there no other bakeries around. Would you ask a Jewish grocer to stock pork pies for you and then have a ninny fit if they refused?

Mr. Loverman · 08-07-2014 10:32am

floggg wrote: »

Tell me OP would you be outraged if the bakery refused to make a cake for a black family?

If not, what's the difference?

In fairness, that's not what happened here.

They didn't say they wouldn't make cakes for gay people, in other words, gay people are not banned from their shops.

They just don't want to make cakes which have a supporting gay marriage message written on them.

I don't know what to think about all this. I don't care if someone is gay or not, and I don't see why they can't get married, but should businesses be allowed to refuse custom based on religious beliefs? For example, should a muslim restaurant be forced to serve non-halal meat?

realdanbreen · 08-07-2014 10:33am

I suppose its hard to blame the bakery when you consider that there is no such thing as a gay clergyman !

folan · 08-07-2014 10:34am

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Maybe it was Bert they objected to rather than the message.

He has serious form.

holy ****!

no way would i make a cake to link me to that crowd!

Mr. Loverman · 08-07-2014 10:34am

Ironically the gay person who ordered the cake is probably delighted now.

Gay Cake Controversy!

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