Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

redbaron_99 · 22-06-2014 01:37PM

Pro. F wrote: »

So like I said, you haven't a notion how much money the club are paying Valencia and how likely it would be that he could be sold.

I've more than a fair idea of what he was being paid up until yesterday. I hardly think he's taken a massive pay cut.

He could be sold. No problem. To a club like Stoke perhaps. And they are not going to match the wage United are paying him (whatever the exact amount may be).

Pro. F · 22-06-2014 01:41PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I've more than a fair idea of what he was being paid up until yesterday. I hardly think he's taken a massive pay cut.

He could be sold. No problem. To a club like Stoke perhaps. And they are not going to match the wage United are paying him (whatever the exact amount may be).

What's your source for Valencia's previous contract? How does it compare to the wages of mid-table wingers? And what's your source for their wages?

You think that he probably hasn't been given a significant pay cut, but you don't know.

You are talking as if you are certain or near certain about this situation, but you are wrong. You haven't a notion.

redbaron_99 · 22-06-2014 01:47PM

Pro. F wrote: »

What's your source for Valencia's previous contract? How does it compare to the wages of mid-table wingers? And what's your source for their wages?

You don't think that he probably hasn't been given a significant pay cut, but you don't know.

You are talking as if you are certain or near certain about this situation, but you are wrong. You haven't a notion.

Manchester United player wages (weekly)
Valencia is on this list
http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Sunderland player wages (annually)
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/sunderland-players-salaries/

His wages are double that of Sebastian Larsson.
Is this giving you a notion?

Pro. F · 22-06-2014 01:52PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Manchester United player wages (weekly)
Valencia is on this list
http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Sunderland player wages (annually)
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/sunderland-players-salaries/

Is this giving you a notion???

From the first link:

These are official salaries we gathered from some trusted sources, so you can trust us on the figures as they are pretty accurate while we will be publishing series of Premier League teams Salaries on this site.

lol

tupac_healy · 22-06-2014 01:52PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Manchester United player wages (weekly)
Valencia is on this list
http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Sunderland player wages (annually)
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/sunderland-players-salaries/

His wages are double that of Sebastian Larsson.
Is this giving you a notion?

Any prospective footballers out there.....

Sign up with Ashely Young's agent!!!

How the hell is he on that!!!!

Son Of A Vidic · 22-06-2014 02:14PM

Pro. F wrote: »

The fact that LVG had a world cup to manage always meant that he was going to be slow in dealing with issues at United this summer. If you were happy with the van Gaal appointment but are complaining about these things happening now then you are an idiot.

I don't agree with the idiot part there, but I agree with you on everything else. It's very unfortunate that the timing of the LVG appointment coincided with a World Cup year. The net result is things will move a bit slower because of LVG's distractions. And looking at the way Holland are playing, we might be waiting a bit longer than expected. So I think there's no point in fretting or being impatient, because the Iron Tulip will sort things out in his own time.

Larry Wildman · 22-06-2014 02:32PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

So, we should not sign any players ever again?
Because how could a manager know about a player unless he's working with him for an extended period of time?
Sure, it's basically a stab in the dark to sign a player then. Right?

Are you serious?

When buying a player, you actively look at him.

We're talking about Van Gaal passing judgement on someone (i.e. Valencia) without working with him or actively looking at him.

Larry Wildman · 22-06-2014 02:35PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Your way of debating is to call others stupid or idiots. It's a rather idiotic way of debating.

Let me put it in clearer terms for you: his point is that the manager cannot properly assess a player without working with him. Which indicates that the manager cannot assess players from other clubs. So, the manager is making a blind gamble on bringing players in from other clubs.
That's his logic. And you're calling me stupid.

You're kidding, right?

22-06-2014 02:52PM

KH25 wrote: »

I said it and I stand by it. Valencia has been shocking for over 2 years now. He has never recaptured his best form. He is a winger who can't cross the ball and he looks afraid to take his man on. He always, always waits for the overlapping run to lay the pass off to. He was like this under Fergie so Moyes can't be blamed. He offers very little to the team these days. To expect him to magically come good after the last 2 years is the same as thinking this year Ando will break through and be a great player for us. It would be great if it happened, but it wont.

I agree with probably all of what you say there with regards to Valencia's performance, but I just don't see it the same as Ando at all. There are those who have been hoping for Ando to come good in the team ever since he came to United 6 years ago. Outside of some individual games, he hasn't done it for United.

With Tony V, he has more than 'done it' and was a beast for us for almost 3 seasons on and off. Something has obviously happened to him the last couple of seasons and at this moment it would be foolish to fully expect him to revert to his old self. But with Anderson, the hope is based on blind faith. With Tony V, there's hard evidence there that he can perform in a red jersey.

Maybe he has played as well for United as he is ever going to and he will never come good again, I just don't see it the same as Ando's situation considering 1) The length of time we've been hoping for Ando to raise his game is significantly longer, and 2) Tony V has been a beast for us in the past, Ando hasn't at all.

Now watch as LVG makes Anderson the best CM in Europe :pac:

Son Of A Vidic · 22-06-2014 03:01PM

stankratz wrote: »

With Tony V, he has more than 'done it' and was a beast for us for almost 3 seasons on and off. Something has obviously happened to him the last couple of seasons and at this moment it would be foolish to fully expect him to revert to his old self. But with Anderson, the hope is based on blind faith.

Since the near decapitation of his foot a few seasons back, Valencia hasn't been quite the same player. But as you said, he's a player who has contributed. Going into his 8th season, what has or what will the clown Anderson ever contribute? A few years ago there were some that thought Cleverly and Anderson were the future. Right now, shipping both out permanently is the only route LVG should take.

user2011 · 22-06-2014 03:09PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Since the near decapitation of his foot a few seasons back, Valencia hasn't been quite the same player. But as you said, he's a player who has contributed. Going into his 8th season, what has or what will the clown Anderson ever contribute? A few years ago there were some that thought Cleverly and Anderson were the future. Right now, shipping both out permanently is the only route LVG should take.

Not true, had his best season when he came back and since then has been on the decline. I thought it was the same until someone on here pointed it out during the season. Had his injury in 2010 won player of the season at United in 11/12 season.

redbaron_99 · 22-06-2014 03:10PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Are you serious?

When buying a player, you actively look at him.

We're talking about Van Gaal passing judgement on someone (i.e. Valencia) without working with him or actively looking at him.

You're presuming he hasn't actively looked at Valencia.
I'd be a wee but worried if at this point if our manager had no idea what our players are like.

I'm not going to clog up the thread any further. I'm just annoyed that this player was given a new contract.
I don't think bodes well for the short term future.

redbaron_99 · 22-06-2014 03:12PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Since the near decapitation of his foot a few seasons back, Valencia hasn't been quite the same player. But as you said, he's a player who has contributed. Going into his 8th season, what has or what will the clown Anderson ever contribute? A few years ago there were some that thought Cleverly and Anderson were the future. Right now, shipping both out permanently is the only route LVG should take.

Wrong. He was actually better when he returned from his injury.
I agree with you on Anderson and cleverly.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-06-2014 03:19PM

user2011 wrote: »

I thought it was the same until someone on here pointed it out during the season. Had his injury in 2010 won player of the season at United in 11/12 season.

My memory had it in reverse, I thought he got the player of the season in 2010 and the foot injury in 2011. The oul Alzheimer's is probably kicking in.:(

MagicIRL · 22-06-2014 03:25PM

Finally some transfer activity!

Come in to the thread anddddd.....

fatherted1969 · 22-06-2014 03:26PM

I'd have no issue with Tony V signing. All i hope is that we sign a couple of players that will go straight into first 11. Tony V is a squad player and a decent one i think he'll prove to be. I fully expect players that were mediocre last year to vastly improve this season,

How many players were very poor last year, Rio, Vidic, Evra (brutal) Carrick, Giggs Young all terrible. Tony V another but as he was POTY only a year or so I hope he can recapture his form.

I'd also think that VG sanctioned the deal so he maybe thinks he can improve him

tupac_healy · 22-06-2014 04:14PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I'd have no issue with Tony V signing. All i hope is that we sign a couple of players that will go straight into first 11. Tony V is a squad player and a decent one i think he'll prove to be. I fully expect players that were mediocre last year to vastly improve this season,

How many players were very poor last year, Rio, Vidic, Evra (brutal) Carrick, Giggs Young all terrible. Tony V another but as he was POTY only a year or so I hope he can recapture his form.

I'd also think that VG sanctioned the deal so he maybe thinks he can improve him

To be fair to the 40 year old....

I'd have Fellaini and Clev's names on that list much higher than his! I wouldn't say he was poor more as an expected winding down combined with both lack of game time (again expected) and the rest of the team doing poorly contributed to Giggs's less than memorable final outings for us.....

In saying that, when he did play at least he tried to do the right things, unlike some others

sigmundv · 22-06-2014 04:20PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

To be fair to the 40 year old....

I'd have Fellaini and Clev's names on that list much higher than his! I wouldn't say he was poor more as an expected winding down combined with both lack of game time (again expected) and the rest of the team doing poorly contributed to Giggs's less than memorable final outings for us.....

In saying that, when he did play at least he tried to do the right things, unlike some others

I agree, Giggs wasn't poor, he just didn't play very much - and sometimes he was even played on the right(!) wing!

fatherted1969 · 22-06-2014 04:23PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

To be fair to the 40 year old....

I'd have Fellaini and Clev's names on that list much higher than his! I wouldn't say he was poor more as an expected winding down combined with both lack of game time (again expected) and the rest of the team doing poorly contributed to Giggs's less than memorable final outings for us.....

In saying that, when he did play at least he tried to do the right things, unlike some others

Jesus i'd forgotten about those two, so many players didn't bother their holes last year. Id be hoping that VG will crack a few skulls this season

sky88 · 22-06-2014 04:31PM

I refise to believe ashly young is the 5th highest payed player they just cant be that stupid

Headshot · 22-06-2014 04:31PM

I dont want Verm anywhere near utd, I have enough of injury prone players at utd to last me a long time

sigmundv · 22-06-2014 04:33PM

Headshot wrote: »

I dont want Verm anywhere near utd, I have enough of injury prone players at utd to last me a long time

I'm thinking the same. We have had and have more than our fair share of injury prone defenders, so getting another one is pointless.

TheDoc · 22-06-2014 04:37PM

Yeah that Vermaelen deal probably scuppered.

Hamateing problem. Had it during the warmup probably going to be out for a while.

tupac_healy · 22-06-2014 04:43PM

sky88 wrote: »

I refise to believe ashly young is the 5th highest payed player they just cant be that stupid

I know they say football is gone mad but this is a whole new level of madness if it's true!

He can't be surely!!

DM_7 · 22-06-2014 04:53PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

£4.68 million annually.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

According to Mr Google.

Do a bit of digging and it seems his basic United wage was £4.16 Million annually.

Now, the new deal might be lower than this. It's up for debate whether the club would offer him a new contract and a wage cut at the same time.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I've more than a fair idea of what he was being paid up until yesterday. I hardly think he's taken a massive pay cut.

Are they not different figures? Did I miss something?

Manutd_4life · 22-06-2014 05:01PM

pretty boring game belgium vs russia. Bring januzaj on

Grid. · 22-06-2014 05:02PM

Jeez....hope we stay well clear of Vermaelen!!!

bucketybuck · 22-06-2014 05:13PM

Interesting assessment of Felliani by Didi Hamman there. Says he is "Never a midfielder".

tupac_healy · 22-06-2014 05:27PM

Grid. wrote: »

Jeez....hope we stay well clear of Vermaelen!!!

Seemed top drawer in his time though.... Another one of those 'what if' players that we don't really need right now...

I'd much rather we went for proven top drawer to steer us through this transition period

Vic Vinegar · 22-06-2014 05:35PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Interesting assessment of Felliani by Didi Hamman there. Says he is "Never a midfielder".

Interesting, or just plain wrong?

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